It don't mean a thing ....(if it ain't got that Jim) - Page 3

cerysmeatloaf · 20 May 2003, 10:30

omg ive just read the review im a bit mad no sorry im a lot more than mad this person doing the review doesnt know what he is on about

sorry i have to change the subject a sec cos i have some grate news my 2year old daughter could never say meatloaf she sayes milky but omg today she said meatloaf it was so sweet

ChrisBelfast · 20 May 2003, 12:42

If the classic review rocker loves jim so much then we should expect a 5 star review of bat 3 from the way he goes on.

The jim website is simply jealous in my opinion, as much as i love jim as well as Meat, the jim steinman following knows that Meat can do a job without Jim (Welcome to the neighbourhood and CHSIB) where jim fails without meat (Bad for good). Also meat then had some of jims songs from bad for good on bat 2 and by him recording them, they became hits eg Rock and Roll Dreams.

I have read reviews of CHSIB, like classic rock, with negative comments in them, but there was good ones too which in my opinion far outweighs the bad. Never yet have a saw a rating lower than 3/5 which is the equivalent to "good". So congratulations Meat!

I also read of the mailing list that CHSIB has gone gold aleady, maybe Meat could confirm it for us.

Finally, my dad was in a shop yesterday and was telling the girl who worked there that he was going to see meat at the Belfast odyssey for his 50th Birthday. She said she'd only started listening to Meat through the new album she had bought, and which she loves. She now calls herself a meat fan! So a new following could be emerging..... Then again about 20,000 people have helped sell out both meats belfast shows - now if 20,000 go to a concert, why can't a record company only print 5000 singles. But thats dead and buried for now!

Oriel · 20 May 2003, 18:02

Fireball,
There's one main difference between this site and the Jim site - we don't kiss Jim's a.ss everytime he farts. If anybody says a bad thing on this site, s/he couldn't show their face again for weeks.
But on the Jim site however, opinions and free speech are encouraged.
There is constructive criticism and, sometimes, downright disapproval.

Of course - I'll be honest, I bought CHSIB, of course I did. I feel that the first half contains strong songs, but then the latter half sounds like B-sides (Do It!?)
But, at the same time, I will say the same thing about Pandora's Box.

Fireball, I hope you continue to check into the Jim site from time to time. It's one of the best communities out there. We have sung your praises aplenty. And yes, we have critisised aplently. I thought you'd have gotten used to the ups and downs by now.

Please see past the surface...

Sinecure.

mariella · 20 May 2003, 19:54

It's always very confusion for me if two people have the same avatar.
But "I got it' now, don't worry, Shane

Great day to you,

Mariella

**The Flying Mouse** · 20 May 2003, 20:00

It's just plain daft to constantly talk about Jim in a review of CHSIB.OK,a nod of the head and a quick comparison to Bat is inevitable,but this is beyond me

.
Jimmy and Meat have done their best work together.But they have also done great things away from each other,and both deserve recognision for this.
It would be just as unfair to rant about Meat in a Steinman review as it is to rave about Jim in a Meat review

.To constantly try and force them into each others shadow is wrong,unfair and an insult.

This bull.... caused a lot of trouble between Meat and Jimmy years ago,not through any fault of their own,but rather by the propoganda fed to them by the people around them.The record company only wanted to focus on Meat,then they were telling Jimmy he didn't need Meat.With preasure like that EVERY DAY is it any wonder that bad feelings crept up?
Luckily,they were both able to grow past this,see this crap for what it was,and get back to doing what they do best.I have enormous respect for them for being able to do that.
If they can do it,why can't the reviewers and the fans do likewise.

As for ... kissing,hey if free speech is your bag,all power to you,but the way I look at it is that we have been lucky enough for Meat to join us on these forums.How long is Meat going to visit us for?What do you want to say to Meat?What would you want to say to Jimmy?These are the guys we've followed for years.Why,when you have a once in a lifetime chance like this to actually talk to one of them,would you want to concentrate on bad stuff?

Here's a test.
You get to say one sentance to either Meat or Jim.
This is the only thing you will ever be able to say to them.
Which one would you say...
(a)I love your work.
(b)That song on this album isn't very good.

Think about it.

My 2 cents

badger · 20 May 2003, 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariella

It's always very confusion for me if two people have the same avatar.

lol, that got me too!

It is a great shame that artists often get labelled if they have a major success early on and then diversify. All to often reviews try and compare. Why does something have to be rated against something else? Surely you can listen to an album and say whether it is good or bad etc without always likeing back to something else? It seems that it is more down to poor reviewing.

Eveyone is entitled to their own opinions, including the music press (

), and I guess you just have to hope people will make up their own minds.

Anyone else here think CHSIB rocks?

mariella · 20 May 2003, 22:06

Yes Badger, I do

Very good to have you here,

Mariella

Shane · 21 May 2003, 02:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinecure

There's one main difference between this site and the Jim site - we don't kiss Jim's a.ss everytime he farts. If anybody says a bad thing on this site, s/he couldn't show their face again for weeks.

I don't think we kiss Meat's ass here either. I don't know about others, but if I say something, I mean it. There are differing opinions here too, believe it or not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinecure

Of course - I'll be honest, I bought CHSIB, of course I did. I feel that the first half contains strong songs, but then the latter half sounds like B-sides (Do It!?) In some ways though, it is different (on the surface), but if you look below the surface (as you suggest we do), you will see that it is a great song for Meat.

I disagree, especially re "Do It!". You should see Fire Ball's (Meat's) post on the subject. I think that song is very much him. It might not be `Jim', but it's Meat. I think this song will end up becoming one of Meat's most underrated. Not every song has to be an "Anything For Love" or a "For Crying Out Loud". Jim and Meat have commonalities but also differences. I have read reviews which say or imply that albums and songs are never good without Jim, which is a totally unfair comment to make. You can't compare an apple with a bus (as Meat has said here).

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinecure

Fireball, I hope you continue to check into the Jim site from time to time. It's one of the best communities out there.

It's not my kind of community. Of course, discussing things openly and allowing dissent (as happens here) is great. I visit it occasionally, and read both Meat and non-Meat posts. But there, things are often talked about in an `academic' style. I come to forums like these to get away from the rigours of every day life, not immerse myself further in it. I don't enjoy over-analysing things. I prefer a more laid back atmosphere.

The posts I have seen on Dream Pollution seem to be mostly close minded to Meat's non-Jim stuff. Anything non-Jim is compared to Jim. They talk about so-called rip offs of Jim songs (eg I'd Lie For You), and make unfair comments.

evil nickname · 21 May 2003, 03:21

Well, I stood on the point of giving up on this forum, when I read the following:

Quote:

Originally Posted by badger

Eveyone is entitled to their own opinions, including the music press, and I guess you just have to hope people will make up their own minds.

And I thought: Hey, there's hope! Someone is saying something that makes sense. Of course you should think for yourself! If you believe everything someone (musical press or not) says or writes, you're bound to find yourself being let down.
Fire Ball says on the Janice Long Show that CHSIB is the only perfect album he's done since Bat. Well, okay, sure he's proud of his new album... but that does not mean that people who think otherwise do not have the right to say so. Be it on mlukfc.com, be it on jimsteinman.com, be it anywhere.
As I've said before, first time I heard CHSIB, I was disappointed with it. Only "Do It!" worked for me the first time 'round, followed by DIST?, LYOL, CHSIB, Testify and TMD on the spins after that... Why isn't that Enough is slowly starting to grow on me, as is Because of You, but I doubt if that will happen with YRIWW, Man of Steel and Forever Young... that's my opinion, and I'll stand by it. You go try and tear me down!
I'm a regular over at jimsteinman.com, and I certainly do not agree with everything what is posted there. I visit this board on a fairly regular basis the last couple of weeks, but I'm losing my interest here, because no one seems to be capable of a somewhat objective view.
And please do note I say 'somewhat'. I know that when it comes to Meat's music, I'm not able to be completly objective. I like most of it, but I'm able to recognize that not every song is as good as any other. I don't like Paradise and Two out of Three that much, or the whole BBIS album for that matter... so sue me!
I've seen Meat performing in Amsterdam on the 23rd of April, hell, I even was at the meet&greet! Would I go there if I, like all the others over at the Steinman board, think that the fact he's breathing is a bad thing? Come on, and get real! Or even better: would I be able to say that my collection of Meat's music is so complete that I have at least one version of *every* song he has ever recorded in studio and was released (and that includes the 2 Popcorn Blizzard tracks on LP too, thank you very much!) if I hate him? I know for a fact that not everyone at the Jim Steinman forum hates Meat, or says bad or untrue things about him, because I am one of them.
But following the same logic I *could* be very urinated (since it seems to me I can't say I'm pissed) off about the fact, that at least a large portion of the people here hate my guts for "hating" Meat. Which is not true, and a lie, and just as negative as is most of what is written here about me [being a part of the community over there].

I'm not going to suggest that we should let this topic rest, because I think that every one should be able to voice his own opinion on this matter. But please, do it based on the facts... don't stare blind on everything you read... and for christs' sake: use your mind.

This post was brought to you by a slightly aggitated William....

Bart · 21 May 2003, 23:55

Since Januray this year i am on this forum and on another Meat Forum. And i always thought that if people like the same music then they don't make war and look what is going on. Everybody makes war. I think it is pathatic. We all love the Loaf, we all love the Jim, we have all the same wonderful feelings when we listen to their music. We all cry when we listen to it, we all cry when we hear his voice, we all have shiver down ou spines. we ALL have the same interests, so let us joy and stop all those stupid, stupid, very stupid things which everybody is saying to somebody here. It is so, so, so sad and silly.

mariella · 21 May 2003, 23:59

Very well said, Bart! I couldn't agree more.

Great 'holi'day to you,

Mariella

Bart · 22 May 2003, 00:15

Yeah, thanx Mariella, i am gonna rock those fooles up there in Lanzarote

evil nickname · 22 May 2003, 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bart

Since Januray this year i am on this forum and on another Meat Forum. And i always thought that if people like the same music then they don't make war and look what is going on. Everybody makes war. I think it is pathatic. We all love the Loaf, we all love the Jim, we have all the same wonderful feelings when we listen to their music. We all cry when we listen to it, we all cry when we hear his voice, we all have shiver down ou spines. we ALL have the same interests, so let us joy and stop all those stupid, stupid, very stupid things which everybody is saying to somebody here. It is so, so, so sad and silly.

And this is what I mean, please allow me to make up my own opinions... the closest I've been to crying about a song was when I first heard Freddie Mercury sing "Too Much Love Will Kill You" or the Ayreon song "And The Druids Turned to Stone". I haven't had a similar experience with Jim's / Meat's music/voice. I'm not much of type to cry over a song, so don't say I do.
And NO, we don't have ALL the same interests (thank god, what would the world be a boring place if we did!). I can't imagine that everyone here is interested in "Copyrights and legal music distribution in the digital age" or "when to use what type of open source licence". Again, you're making up what I should think / like / cry to / be interested in! Stop that dammit!
Let us all think for ourselves, and stop all those stupid, stupid, very stupid things where everybody is sayiong to everybody what to say... or actually, NO, figure that out for yourself.

And this post was brought to you by a more aggitated William.

mariella · 22 May 2003, 01:37

Hi Evil Nickname,

I know you are upset, and from what I just read I might get the impression that you are saying Meats music doesn't tough your soul. And believe me, it doesn't HAVE to. But somehow I believe his music does mean a lot to you.
You just don't cry over a song easy, that's okay, you don't have to either.

That's what I love about people, they are all different.
But at this place, we do have one thing in common, we all love Meat Loaf.
That's the reason we come here. Not all of us feel the same about everything related to that, that's what makes it interesting.

Have you been reading everything? And if so, do you really feel we don't 'dare' to say anything negative about Meat?

Maybe you don't feel comfortable with this 'happy' attitude some of us have over here. Because from what I've read you have every record, went to the amsterdam show, even to the M&G if I am right. So, this music must be important to you. You wouldn't 'bother' to come over here if it wasn't.

And you CAN make up your own mind, everyone here does that, I think it just doesn't seem that way to you.
That is not my problem.
If I focus on positive things, I feel better...

Great day to you,

Mariella

JulesB · 22 May 2003, 03:35

Well, I've read all the posts and I think many good ideas surfaced, however I have a hard time agreeing with posting negative and rude comments under the guise of free speech. Debating an issue is one thing, if all sides can back their ideas with fact and not let personal feeling and emotion enter into it. If you think about it, you are attacking someones work and if you're anything like me, I don't like people judging me unfairly and making uneducated assumptions of my work. Constructive critisism is something we all have to endure, but to attack with no basis of fact is something that is unfair to anyone.

I really don't think the majority of the posters here kiss Meat's a.ss, they just prefer to keep a positve spin on their posts. I was raised to believe that if you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all. Now, I do not always follow that, I am human and have many flaws. But if I am going to say something on a public forum I try to adhere to that philosophy. I have a feeling that is why many here have been judged to be blind followers. Personally I find them to be polite and mature people with manners.

Thank you all for being such great people to talk with. And it's about the MUSIC that makes us smile (or cry) and escape from the day to day crap we all have to cope with!

Jules

Fire Ball · 22 May 2003, 04:32

To the writers from The Jim site, What you written here is you have Freedom to say what you want on that site, Yes you do, but some of the things that have been said on that site are stated as facts not opinions, and the facts are wrong. Let me say that again THE FACTS ARE WRONG!!!! I've read more crap on that site, and some of the things that are said about me are not opinions they are hate mail, If someone wrote about Jim that way on this site I would be at their front door. You can have your opinions that's fine, you can not like something, fine!, but when it becomes a pack of wild animals tearing a living flesh it is unforgivable , it is no longer just opinions. I have invited several people from that site to talk to me face to face but no one has the nerve, to confront me BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY ARE FULL OF BS and that they are wrong. They would much rather tell lies than the truth , they are afraid of the truth!! Oh my word they could be wrong!! (an opinion) but maybe, just maybe that could be the TRUTH. Have your opinions but when it gets that personal it is totally out of line!! You just continue to enjoy that site but don't come here and tell everyone here that their site sucks, just don't come here , you are more than welcome here just don't complain that you don't like it . That makes you look stupid for being here.

Tim the Butcher I disagree with
You

Meat

Fire Ball · 22 May 2003, 04:33

there should be a have after ...... what you....... what you have written here........

Dave · 22 May 2003, 04:59

WOW!

Meat Loaf you took the words right out of my mouth!

It makes me sick to see "fans" who claim to adore you on Meat lists/sites, yet the same people are less than flattering when it comes to posting on the Jim list/board.

I think the problem is Dance Of The Vampires failed without Meat's wonderful imput; wheras, Couldn't Have Said It Better is near perfection without the inspiration of Steinman!

Meat Loaf has just released the best album of his entire career without the expected element of a sucessfull Meat Loaf album (Jim Steinman), and for this, people are a tad upset.

I am a frequent poster on Dream Pollution - I am a big fan of Jim Steinman, but it is just plain silly. I can say that you have more than likely seen my last posts on Dream Pollution. I have given up on trying to defent Meat there. They are brain-numbed zombies out to idolize Jim, in the EXACT same manner they accuse of of idolizing Meat. I just wonder what the Steinfans would think if they really knew what a load of rubbish I thought Pandora's Box was? At least on the MLUKFC, if you are less than thrilled with something, you will not be stoned by your peers. Yes, some might get angry, but I have never seen personal attacks on other people's personal lives just because of a disagreement on the MLUKFC message board.

On a personal note, this has been a very difficult week for me. I have gone through a hell of a lot, but I want to tell each and every one of you who sent me PM's, e-mails, and chatted with me on the instant messengers...you guys are awesome. There is a love among Meat Loaf fans that I just cannot describe. Never be afraid of your passion, always speak your mind, and as Meat Loaf says at the end of every concert..."never stop rockin!"

ROCK ON FIRE BALL!!!

heat · 22 May 2003, 06:22

YOU TELL 'EM FIRE BALL!!!!!

David - hope things are ok with you, hun :)

Heat
xxx

Fire Ball · 22 May 2003, 06:37

One more Thing, in Response to ...... Why, as your site calls it ... I Take over shows..........BECAUSE I CAN....... THE SAME WAY AS ROBIN WILLIAMS OR JIM CARY....... Because the shows know what I do, that I'm quick, good at improv and will be funny AND THEY LIKE IT!!!!!!!!! it makes good TV for them and I'm not like everyone else. If there is serious interview to be made I will do that too. It is not because I'm afraid of criticism... You must be Kidding... you people can really reach for reasons.... Can't you just say it's funny or it's the way He performs or he's pretty good , How about, he has a lot of engery..... No you can't ..... Meat Loaf has always got to have a Flaw.
What are you going to say about Bat 3!!! You can hate me but I least I'm out here doing it...... I must be doing something right I'm still working.....
Oh I forgot.... I have nothing to do with it,.... It's all Jim.... I can't sing, I can't act, I eat the wrong food, I have the wrong band, I wear the wrong color shoes, I wear the wrong clothes. I'm too fat, I drive the wrong car, sleep in the wrong bed, our drums are wrong on tour, we ride in the wrong bus, we stay at the wrong hotels, we talk to much, we talk to little, I walk funny, I don't walk enough, I dream wrong when I sleep, I have the wrong doctor, I should have never been born ... AND I had nothing to do with BAT.......... And all of you could do what I do ....BETTER.

Why don't you send a message back to that group.
Tell Them..............................................
I love them all and God bless them all. Someday they will know the truth.

All The Best
Meat Loaf

mariella · 22 May 2003, 09:11

David, I really hope you are feeling better now!

Meat, love you. Well said!

Great day to you,

Mariella

Louise · 22 May 2003, 11:34

Wow, Meat, that was a rant and a half! I'd really hate to upset you and then see you face to face!

Sue K · 22 May 2003, 11:36

i haven't read all the posts...but reading the one that got the topic into discussion? i can't understand why someone would post a hurtful review to a board they are aware that Meat reads and responds to...

would someone please explain that to me?

thank you.

tink

dottie · 22 May 2003, 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by tink

i haven't read all the posts...but reading the one that got the topic into discussion? i can't understand why someone would post a hurtful review to a board they are aware that Meat reads and responds to...

would someone please explain that to me?

thank you.

tink

Tink here on this forum free speech and opinions abound, I was really upset that yet again a reviewer has to compare CHSIB with B o o H. The albums are separate entities and I love them both. I also am personally pleased that Meat gets a chance to read the posts on here, so that he is aware of what is being said, and can give his opinions as well. We love Meat here I'm one of his biggest fans and have been for 33 years.

dottie · 22 May 2003, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by dottie

Quote:

Originally Posted by tink

i haven't read all the posts...but reading the one that got the topic into discussion? i can't understand why someone would post a hurtful review to a board they are aware that Meat reads and responds to...

would someone please explain that to me?

thank you.

tink

Tink here on this forum free speech and opinions abound, I was really upset that yet again a reviewer has to compare CHSIB with B o o H. The albums are separate entities and I love them both. I also am personally pleased that Meat gets a chance to read the posts on here, so that he is aware of what is being said, and can give his opinions as well. We love Meat here I'm one of his biggest fans and have been for 33 years.

Please keep posting Tink as your opinions likes and dislikes are important to all of us.

Love dottie
xxx

22 May 2003, 04:32	#66
Fire Ball Himself Join Date: 05.02.2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,044	Jim and Me To the writers from The Jim site, What you written here is you have Freedom to say what you want on that site, Yes you do, but some of the things that have been said on that site are stated as facts not opinions, and the facts are wrong. Let me say that again THE FACTS ARE WRONG!!!! I've read more crap on that site, and some of the things that are said about me are not opinions they are hate mail, If someone wrote about Jim that way on this site I would be at their front door. You can have your opinions that's fine, you can not like something, fine!, but when it becomes a pack of wild animals tearing a living flesh it is unforgivable , it is no longer just opinions. I have invited several people from that site to talk to me face to face but no one has the nerve, to confront me BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY ARE FULL OF BS and that they are wrong. They would much rather tell lies than the truth , they are afraid of the truth!! Oh my word they could be wrong!! (an opinion) but maybe, just maybe that could be the TRUTH. Have your opinions but when it gets that personal it is totally out of line!! You just continue to enjoy that site but don't come here and tell everyone here that their site sucks, just don't come here , you are more than welcome here just don't complain that you don't like it . That makes you look stupid for being here. Tim the Butcher I disagree with You Meat

22 May 2003, 06:37	#70
Fire Ball Himself Join Date: 05.02.2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,044	A Little Thing!!! One more Thing, in Response to ...... Why, as your site calls it ... I Take over shows..........BECAUSE I CAN....... THE SAME WAY AS ROBIN WILLIAMS OR JIM CARY....... Because the shows know what I do, that I'm quick, good at improv and will be funny AND THEY LIKE IT!!!!!!!!! it makes good TV for them and I'm not like everyone else. If there is serious interview to be made I will do that too. It is not because I'm afraid of criticism... You must be Kidding... you people can really reach for reasons.... Can't you just say it's funny or it's the way He performs or he's pretty good , How about, he has a lot of engery..... No you can't ..... Meat Loaf has always got to have a Flaw. What are you going to say about Bat 3!!! You can hate me but I least I'm out here doing it...... I must be doing something right I'm still working..... Oh I forgot.... I have nothing to do with it,.... It's all Jim.... I can't sing, I can't act, I eat the wrong food, I have the wrong band, I wear the wrong color shoes, I wear the wrong clothes. I'm too fat, I drive the wrong car, sleep in the wrong bed, our drums are wrong on tour, we ride in the wrong bus, we stay at the wrong hotels, we talk to much, we talk to little, I walk funny, I don't walk enough, I dream wrong when I sleep, I have the wrong doctor, I should have never been born ... AND I had nothing to do with BAT.......... And all of you could do what I do ....BETTER. Why don't you send a message back to that group. Tell Them.............................................. I love them all and God bless them all. Someday they will know the truth. All The Best Meat Loaf

20 May 2003, 10:30	#51
cerysmeatloaf Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: south wales uk Posts: 454	omg ive just read the review im a bit mad no sorry im a lot more than mad this person doing the review doesnt know what he is on about sorry i have to change the subject a sec cos i have some grate news my 2year old daughter could never say meatloaf she sayes milky but omg today she said meatloaf it was so sweet

20 May 2003, 12:42	#52
ChrisBelfast Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.02.2003 Location: Posts: 1,061	If the classic review rocker loves jim so much then we should expect a 5 star review of bat 3 from the way he goes on. The jim website is simply jealous in my opinion, as much as i love jim as well as Meat, the jim steinman following knows that Meat can do a job without Jim (Welcome to the neighbourhood and CHSIB) where jim fails without meat (Bad for good). Also meat then had some of jims songs from bad for good on bat 2 and by him recording them, they became hits eg Rock and Roll Dreams. I have read reviews of CHSIB, like classic rock, with negative comments in them, but there was good ones too which in my opinion far outweighs the bad. Never yet have a saw a rating lower than 3/5 which is the equivalent to "good". So congratulations Meat! I also read of the mailing list that CHSIB has gone gold aleady, maybe Meat could confirm it for us. Finally, my dad was in a shop yesterday and was telling the girl who worked there that he was going to see meat at the Belfast odyssey for his 50th Birthday. She said she'd only started listening to Meat through the new album she had bought, and which she loves. She now calls herself a meat fan! So a new following could be emerging..... Then again about 20,000 people have helped sell out both meats belfast shows - now if 20,000 go to a concert, why can't a record company only print 5000 singles. But thats dead and buried for now!

20 May 2003, 18:02	#53
Oriel Senior Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 161	Fireball, There's one main difference between this site and the Jim site - we don't kiss Jim's a.ss everytime he farts. If anybody says a bad thing on this site, s/he couldn't show their face again for weeks. But on the Jim site however, opinions and free speech are encouraged. There is constructive criticism and, sometimes, downright disapproval. Of course - I'll be honest, I bought CHSIB, of course I did. I feel that the first half contains strong songs, but then the latter half sounds like B-sides (Do It!?) But, at the same time, I will say the same thing about Pandora's Box. Fireball, I hope you continue to check into the Jim site from time to time. It's one of the best communities out there. We have sung your praises aplenty. And yes, we have critisised aplently. I thought you'd have gotten used to the ups and downs by now. Please see past the surface... Sinecure.

20 May 2003, 19:54	#54
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	It's always very confusion for me if two people have the same avatar. But "I got it' now, don't worry, Shane Great day to you, Mariella

20 May 2003, 20:00	#55
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	It's just plain daft to constantly talk about Jim in a review of CHSIB.OK,a nod of the head and a quick comparison to Bat is inevitable,but this is beyond me . Jimmy and Meat have done their best work together.But they have also done great things away from each other,and both deserve recognision for this. It would be just as unfair to rant about Meat in a Steinman review as it is to rave about Jim in a Meat review .To constantly try and force them into each others shadow is wrong,unfair and an insult. This bull.... caused a lot of trouble between Meat and Jimmy years ago,not through any fault of their own,but rather by the propoganda fed to them by the people around them.The record company only wanted to focus on Meat,then they were telling Jimmy he didn't need Meat.With preasure like that EVERY DAY is it any wonder that bad feelings crept up? Luckily,they were both able to grow past this,see this crap for what it was,and get back to doing what they do best.I have enormous respect for them for being able to do that. If they can do it,why can't the reviewers and the fans do likewise. As for ... kissing,hey if free speech is your bag,all power to you,but the way I look at it is that we have been lucky enough for Meat to join us on these forums.How long is Meat going to visit us for?What do you want to say to Meat?What would you want to say to Jimmy?These are the guys we've followed for years.Why,when you have a once in a lifetime chance like this to actually talk to one of them,would you want to concentrate on bad stuff? Here's a test. You get to say one sentance to either Meat or Jim. This is the only thing you will ever be able to say to them. Which one would you say... (a)I love your work. (b)That song on this album isn't very good. Think about it. My 2 cents

20 May 2003, 22:06	#57
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	Yes Badger, I do Very good to have you here, Mariella

21 May 2003, 23:55	#60
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	Since Januray this year i am on this forum and on another Meat Forum. And i always thought that if people like the same music then they don't make war and look what is going on. Everybody makes war. I think it is pathatic. We all love the Loaf, we all love the Jim, we have all the same wonderful feelings when we listen to their music. We all cry when we listen to it, we all cry when we hear his voice, we all have shiver down ou spines. we ALL have the same interests, so let us joy and stop all those stupid, stupid, very stupid things which everybody is saying to somebody here. It is so, so, so sad and silly.

21 May 2003, 23:59	#61
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	Very well said, Bart! I couldn't agree more. Great 'holi'day to you, Mariella

22 May 2003, 00:15	#62
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	Yeah, thanx Mariella, i am gonna rock those fooles up there in Lanzarote

22 May 2003, 01:37	#64
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	Hi Evil Nickname, I know you are upset, and from what I just read I might get the impression that you are saying Meats music doesn't tough your soul. And believe me, it doesn't HAVE to. But somehow I believe his music does mean a lot to you. You just don't cry over a song easy, that's okay, you don't have to either. That's what I love about people, they are all different. But at this place, we do have one thing in common, we all love Meat Loaf. That's the reason we come here. Not all of us feel the same about everything related to that, that's what makes it interesting. Have you been reading everything? And if so, do you really feel we don't 'dare' to say anything negative about Meat? Maybe you don't feel comfortable with this 'happy' attitude some of us have over here. Because from what I've read you have every record, went to the amsterdam show, even to the M&G if I am right. So, this music must be important to you. You wouldn't 'bother' to come over here if it wasn't. And you CAN make up your own mind, everyone here does that, I think it just doesn't seem that way to you. That is not my problem. If I focus on positive things, I feel better... Great day to you, Mariella

22 May 2003, 03:35	#65
JulesB Senior Loafer Join Date: 07.02.2003 Posts: 188	Well, I've read all the posts and I think many good ideas surfaced, however I have a hard time agreeing with posting negative and rude comments under the guise of free speech. Debating an issue is one thing, if all sides can back their ideas with fact and not let personal feeling and emotion enter into it. If you think about it, you are attacking someones work and if you're anything like me, I don't like people judging me unfairly and making uneducated assumptions of my work. Constructive critisism is something we all have to endure, but to attack with no basis of fact is something that is unfair to anyone. I really don't think the majority of the posters here kiss Meat's a.ss, they just prefer to keep a positve spin on their posts. I was raised to believe that if you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all. Now, I do not always follow that, I am human and have many flaws. But if I am going to say something on a public forum I try to adhere to that philosophy. I have a feeling that is why many here have been judged to be blind followers. Personally I find them to be polite and mature people with manners. Thank you all for being such great people to talk with. And it's about the MUSIC that makes us smile (or cry) and escape from the day to day crap we all have to cope with! Jules

22 May 2003, 04:33	#67
Fire Ball Himself Join Date: 05.02.2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,044	there should be a have after ...... what you....... what you have written here........

22 May 2003, 04:59	#68
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564	WOW! Meat Loaf you took the words right out of my mouth! It makes me sick to see "fans" who claim to adore you on Meat lists/sites, yet the same people are less than flattering when it comes to posting on the Jim list/board. I think the problem is Dance Of The Vampires failed without Meat's wonderful imput; wheras, Couldn't Have Said It Better is near perfection without the inspiration of Steinman! Meat Loaf has just released the best album of his entire career without the expected element of a sucessfull Meat Loaf album (Jim Steinman), and for this, people are a tad upset. I am a frequent poster on Dream Pollution - I am a big fan of Jim Steinman, but it is just plain silly. I can say that you have more than likely seen my last posts on Dream Pollution. I have given up on trying to defent Meat there. They are brain-numbed zombies out to idolize Jim, in the EXACT same manner they accuse of of idolizing Meat. I just wonder what the Steinfans would think if they really knew what a load of rubbish I thought Pandora's Box was? At least on the MLUKFC, if you are less than thrilled with something, you will not be stoned by your peers. Yes, some might get angry, but I have never seen personal attacks on other people's personal lives just because of a disagreement on the MLUKFC message board. On a personal note, this has been a very difficult week for me. I have gone through a hell of a lot, but I want to tell each and every one of you who sent me PM's, e-mails, and chatted with me on the instant messengers...you guys are awesome. There is a love among Meat Loaf fans that I just cannot describe. Never be afraid of your passion, always speak your mind, and as Meat Loaf says at the end of every concert..."never stop rockin!" ROCK ON FIRE BALL!!!

22 May 2003, 06:22	#69
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	YOU TELL 'EM FIRE BALL!!!!! David - hope things are ok with you, hun :) Heat xxx

22 May 2003, 09:11	#71
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	David, I really hope you are feeling better now! Meat, love you. Well said! Great day to you, Mariella

22 May 2003, 11:34	#72
Louise Super Loafer Join Date: 23.04.2003 Location: East Yorkshire, UK Posts: 235	Wow, Meat, that was a rant and a half! I'd really hate to upset you and then see you face to face!

22 May 2003, 11:36	#73
Sue K Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Posts: 13,041	i haven't read all the posts...but reading the one that got the topic into discussion? i can't understand why someone would post a hurtful review to a board they are aware that Meat reads and responds to... would someone please explain that to me? thank you. tink