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Sarge · 10 Jan 2010, 01:32

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Originally Posted by CarylB

I was talking about album recordings. We have a multimedia section with many short clips from these. [...] As far as TV shows, interviews etc, I'm not aware that any of these have been removed at Meat's request?

I was referring to your website and I know what's on it, that's why I asked.

CarylB · 10 Jan 2010, 01:49

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Originally Posted by Sarge

I was referring to your website and I know what's on it, that's why I asked.

So do I, and as far as TV interviews are concerned I would consider them home recordings and legitimate to post providing there is no commercial gain, which there isn't. But I'm not aware that Meat has requested that TV interviews be removed from Utube.

As I said, we don't post bootleg recordings of performances, and we keep clips from albums short as advised when we started.

Caryl

mickp · 10 Jan 2010, 03:16

Red Pony Tours took down my video on youtube of I'd lie for you and that's the truth from the Beacon Theatre Welcome to Neighbourhood concert. I'd taped this myself on vhs when originally broadcast in the UK. I'm not sure exactly where that stands legally but I can't be bothered even thinking of a challenge - If he doesn't want it out there then so be it

AndrewG · 10 Jan 2010, 12:53

Red Pony Tours put in a copyright infrigement against one of my Maet Loaf videos. They are a cover band who play Meat Loaf songs. If cover bands and other artists / singers would not be allowed to put up any songs of other original artists I reckon you can take down around 20-30% of YouTube. It seems to me that YouTube automatically just take down videos as soon as you make a copyright infringement claim no matter what the content is of that video. I even put "COVER" in all my video titles a while back but that did not even work I guess. They can shove it up their ass.

*AndyK* · 10 Jan 2010, 18:20

This is an emotive subject, but please try to avoid the petty insults, which have been and will be removed.

Sarge · 10 Jan 2010, 18:21

I agree with Andrew. I have no problem with justified copyright claims but what they are doing at the moment appears strange to me. If Meat Loaf doesn't want people to see and hear some of his best work or anything associated with his name, fine. I just ordered a CD of an amazing songwriter I discovered via a short, low-quality video on YouTube. --- Who is Meat Loaf?

AndrewG · 10 Jan 2010, 19:20

Red Pony Tours just did it again. I have now deleted ALL Maet Loaf videos from my YouTube account. Apparently after three strikes you are out and they ban your YouTube account. I will never upload a single Meat Loaf related video to YouTube again. Instead of supporting Meat Loaf I support myself and I have a lot of other interests. Cheerio guys.

Dave · 10 Jan 2010, 20:43

I don't know about anyone else, but personally all of this petty youtube bickering is getting just about old. There is a new album on the horizon, it seems like whoever is handling Meat Loaf's affairs is cleaning house of what they do not wish to have on youtube in regards to Mr. Loaf, and frankly there is not one thing any of us can do about it.

The guys who broke out of the google camp to develop and coordinate the youtube project are making a fortune off of the backs of everyone else's creative process. Youtube does not create any content of its own, yet is a very financially sucessful business. It would behoove youtube and be in the best interest of the project to do what they can to keep artists who create work that is uploaded to the project happy by removing what the artists and/or represenatives find to be a violation of their creative process. I do not blame youtube - they need to keep their cash cows (the artists) happy to continue to rake in the big money.

Such is life people...such is life.

Dave

djfierce · 10 Jan 2010, 21:06

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Red Pony Tours put in a copyright infrigement against one of my Maet Loaf videos. They are a cover band who play Meat Loaf songs. If cover bands and other artists / singers would not be allowed to put up any songs of other original artists I reckon you can take down around 20-30% of YouTube. It seems to me that YouTube automatically just take down videos as soon as you make a copyright infringement claim no matter what the content is of that video. I even put "COVER" in all my video titles a while back but that did not even work I guess. They can shove it up their ass.

It's because there are so many on youtube that YT refuse to police the service, claiming the disclaimer you see when you upload is all they have to do. They have since come to agreement with the PRS and BPS that they will remove content if it is pointed out to them, hence the ridiculous claim form filling for every video.
Cover bands can also be taken down as their PRS membership (if they are legal and have one) doesn't extend to recorded performance, only public performance.

Personally i dont like all the removal of vids, especially the stuff that we can no longer get. But if that's what Meat wants then so be it. I've just uploaded a load of P!nk videos from her last tour, if she wants them taken down then fine, it's her decision what she wants out there, i made sure i only put up ones that were good to watch though, not any old shite. What i'm saying is, while i enjoy the vids people put up and appreciate the time they take to do it,if it gets taken down, you can hardly complain, you know it shouldnt be there.

Hopefully once the new album is out and sunk in, Meat will loosen up a bit and like many other artists see yt as a promotional tool rather than a hinderence.

madagascar · 10 Jan 2010, 21:11

This whole thing is so easy.
Go online, watch a new video, download it to your harddrive, see it being removed and watch it all over again on your pc.

AndrewG · 10 Jan 2010, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Dave

I don't know about anyone else, but personally all of this petty youtube bickering is getting just about old. There is a new album on the horizon, it seems like whoever is handling Meat Loaf's affairs is cleaning house of what they do not wish to have on youtube in regards to Mr. Loaf, and frankly there is not one thing any of us can do about it.

The guys who broke out of the google camp to develop and coordinate the youtube project are making a fortune off of the backs of everyone else's creative process. Youtube does not create any content of its own, yet is a very financially sucessful business. It would behoove youtube and be in the best interest of the project to do what they can to keep artists who create work that is uploaded to the project happy by removing what the artists and/or represenatives find to be a violation of their creative process. I do not blame youtube - they need to keep their cash cows (the artists) happy to continue to rake in the big money.

Such is life people...such is life.

Dave

Wrong on all three accounts.
The bickering of YouTube removal is getting old? Red Pony tours only just claimed copyright infringement on two of my videos this weekend. How is this discussion getting old? Are you saying we cannot possibly ever discuss anything that some people do not agree with what Meat is doing? If that is the case I will definitely not be coming back to this place.

In addition to the "cleaning house" Red Pony Tours is claiming copyright infringement on videos it CERTAINLY does not hold any copyright on in the first place ie in my case videos of a tribute artist. If ANYONE could claim copyright it is Jim Steinman himself as he holds copyright to the songs and publishing rights yet it seems Meat Loaf who is more fussed about copyright which I think is wrong. I doubt Red Pony Tours is acting on behalf of the almost mysteriously vanished from this planet Jim Steinman.

Google has made a huge loss on YouTube so far, ie it has not even recuperated the $1.65 billion purchase. It will take them many years to do so considering the huge costs of its 1 billion per day video watched bandwidth. They don't care about copyright / approval of videos themselves as it would cost far too much money to do this properly.

ChrisBelfast · 11 Jan 2010, 01:08

Maybe the reason Meat wants covers of his songs taken off Youtube is because they are so awful, and he doesnt want his songs to be heard murdered. Thats just my opinion on what I hear on youtube and people's websites when they cover his material.

AndrewG · 11 Jan 2010, 13:51

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Originally Posted by ChrisNI

Maybe the reason Meat wants covers of his songs taken off Youtube is because they are so awful, and he doesnt want his songs to be heard murdered. Thats just my opinion on what I hear on youtube and people's websites when they cover his material.

Maybe that's the reason but it does not give him legal grounds to do this surely. Moreover to me Meat Loaf is not God and I do like to hear other people's interpretations of songs whether they are written by Jim Steinman or not. In either case I get the message and I won't be associating myself online with Meat Loaf video/photography material ever again.

**The Flying Mouse** · 11 Jan 2010, 22:51

It it just me, or does it seem to be a bit coincidental that Red Pony Tours has started taking down all these vids round about time that .net is due a relaunch?

Perhaps Meat has a new web team and they're a bit eager to show that they're doing something, and removing youtube vids is the easiest way to show quick results?

Evil One · 11 Jan 2010, 23:16

Lets hope Meat has a new web team anyway!

djfierce · 11 Jan 2010, 23:41

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Maybe that's the reason but it does not give him legal grounds to do this surely. Moreover to me Meat Loaf is not God and I do like to hear other people's interpretations of songs whether they are written by Jim Steinman or not. In either case I get the message and I won't be associating myself online with Meat Loaf video/photography material ever again.

it sucks but he does have legal grounds, i know it's a common thing on yt but no one can just sing an artists song and broadcast it. I did explain this in my last post

suzieq · 12 Jan 2010, 01:24

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

It it just me, or does it seem to be a bit coincidental that Red Pony Tours has started taking down all these vids round about time that .net is due a relaunch?

Perhaps Meat has a new web team and they're a bit eager to show that they're doing something, and removing youtube vids is the easiest way to show quick results?

Had me thinking Mouse (which is always dangerous): This timing (around now Jan. 10-12) may all be snowballing into Meat's original post on another thread. When you hear what I'm doing just go with the flow........perhaps the YT, the .net, the UK show etc. are all part of the Universal plan? It could all be taken as "go with the flow". For all we know, they can be purging YT for a bigger purpose than any of us have suggested thus far. Although, the infamous leak video could've been the straw that broke the camel's back with YT. The leaked song could have been an accelerant to the purge.

The only one who can say for sure is Meat, he hasn't made a peep about it here since all the videos have been taken down. Then again, he really doesn't need to, does he?

Suzieq

CarylB · 12 Jan 2010, 01:52

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Originally Posted by suzieq

Then again, he really doesn't need to, does he?

Suzieq

No, he doesn't as far as I'm concerned

Caryl

Vickip · 12 Jan 2010, 03:06

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Originally Posted by suzieq

The only one who can say for sure is Meat, he hasn't made a peep about it here since all the videos have been taken down. Then again, he really doesn't need to, does he?

Suzieq

No he doesn't Suzieq.

AndrewG · 12 Jan 2010, 04:00

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Originally Posted by djfierce

it sucks but he does have legal grounds, i know it's a common thing on yt but no one can just sing an artists song and broadcast it. I did explain this in my last post

I talked this over with a guy I went to uni with who did some music law. Apparently YouTube themselve pay music publishers, companies such as Harry Fox, ASCAP etc royalties in order to consent with the broadcasting of music and video clips, even trailers etc. Since artists such as Meat Loaf and record companies get paid royalties from these companies it is in fact in their interest to keep videos up. I thought that was a very interesting point of view.

I'm actually finding this situation with regards to the removal of YT videos with cover songs highly ironic considering the legal mess surrounding Bat 3.

djfierce · 12 Jan 2010, 11:52

well, a great big chunk of my previous six months in the studio was being told this stuff inside and out, and it's a section i got a distinction in, so i', not just blowing smoke hun, you should know i dont post about stuff i have no clue, but this stuff is still fresh in my little tiny head

You've pretty much said what i said, only i quoted the two british companies involved in the process (there are many, as it's an international medium). The fee yt pay covers official channels, not joe bloggs from we are fans united. As i said on another thread (as this seems to be leaking all over the forum) that many many other artists have official channels which are used successfuly as promotional tools, i have fund many new artists this way. I personally don't understand why Meat isn't embracing yt and using to his advantage.
But then that's his decision and his legal right to have something done about it. Personally i don't understand it, but it's not my career to make the decisions for.

10 Jan 2010, 12:53	#54
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Red Pony Tours put in a copyright infrigement against one of my Maet Loaf videos. They are a cover band who play Meat Loaf songs. If cover bands and other artists / singers would not be allowed to put up any songs of other original artists I reckon you can take down around 20-30% of YouTube. It seems to me that YouTube automatically just take down videos as soon as you make a copyright infringement claim no matter what the content is of that video. I even put "COVER" in all my video titles a while back but that did not even work I guess. They can shove it up their ass. Last edited by AndyK; 10 Jan 2010 at 18:20.

10 Jan 2010, 03:16	#53
mickp Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2006 Posts: 51	Red Pony Tours took down my video on youtube of I'd lie for you and that's the truth from the Beacon Theatre Welcome to Neighbourhood concert. I'd taped this myself on vhs when originally broadcast in the UK. I'm not sure exactly where that stands legally but I can't be bothered even thinking of a challenge - If he doesn't want it out there then so be it

10 Jan 2010, 18:20	#55
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	This is an emotive subject, but please try to avoid the petty insults, which have been and will be removed.

10 Jan 2010, 18:21	#56
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	I agree with Andrew. I have no problem with justified copyright claims but what they are doing at the moment appears strange to me. If Meat Loaf doesn't want people to see and hear some of his best work or anything associated with his name, fine. I just ordered a CD of an amazing songwriter I discovered via a short, low-quality video on YouTube. --- Who is Meat Loaf?

10 Jan 2010, 19:20	#57
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Red Pony Tours just did it again. I have now deleted ALL Maet Loaf videos from my YouTube account. Apparently after three strikes you are out and they ban your YouTube account. I will never upload a single Meat Loaf related video to YouTube again. Instead of supporting Meat Loaf I support myself and I have a lot of other interests. Cheerio guys.

10 Jan 2010, 20:43	#58
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564	I don't know about anyone else, but personally all of this petty youtube bickering is getting just about old. There is a new album on the horizon, it seems like whoever is handling Meat Loaf's affairs is cleaning house of what they do not wish to have on youtube in regards to Mr. Loaf, and frankly there is not one thing any of us can do about it. The guys who broke out of the google camp to develop and coordinate the youtube project are making a fortune off of the backs of everyone else's creative process. Youtube does not create any content of its own, yet is a very financially sucessful business. It would behoove youtube and be in the best interest of the project to do what they can to keep artists who create work that is uploaded to the project happy by removing what the artists and/or represenatives find to be a violation of their creative process. I do not blame youtube - they need to keep their cash cows (the artists) happy to continue to rake in the big money. Such is life people...such is life. Dave

10 Jan 2010, 21:11	#60
madagascar Super Loafer Join Date: 13.12.2005 Location: Germany Posts: 376	This whole thing is so easy. Go online, watch a new video, download it to your harddrive, see it being removed and watch it all over again on your pc.

11 Jan 2010, 01:08	#62
ChrisBelfast Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.02.2003 Location: Posts: 1,061	Maybe the reason Meat wants covers of his songs taken off Youtube is because they are so awful, and he doesnt want his songs to be heard murdered. Thats just my opinion on what I hear on youtube and people's websites when they cover his material.

11 Jan 2010, 22:51	#64
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	It it just me, or does it seem to be a bit coincidental that Red Pony Tours has started taking down all these vids round about time that .net is due a relaunch? Perhaps Meat has a new web team and they're a bit eager to show that they're doing something, and removing youtube vids is the easiest way to show quick results?

11 Jan 2010, 23:16	#65
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Lets hope Meat has a new web team anyway!

12 Jan 2010, 11:52	#71
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	well, a great big chunk of my previous six months in the studio was being told this stuff inside and out, and it's a section i got a distinction in, so i', not just blowing smoke hun, you should know i dont post about stuff i have no clue, but this stuff is still fresh in my little tiny head You've pretty much said what i said, only i quoted the two british companies involved in the process (there are many, as it's an international medium). The fee yt pay covers official channels, not joe bloggs from we are fans united. As i said on another thread (as this seems to be leaking all over the forum) that many many other artists have official channels which are used successfuly as promotional tools, i have fund many new artists this way. I personally don't understand why Meat isn't embracing yt and using to his advantage. But then that's his decision and his legal right to have something done about it. Personally i don't understand it, but it's not my career to make the decisions for.