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carole · 07 Apr 2010, 07:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzieq

Just for clarification...."bash" wasn't my word to begin with, but I was responding and relating to Meatrocks words. Nothing more.

What I would say is: I support Meat's position to chew someone's ass out for character defamation and slander. However poetic that comes down to.

I think Meatrocks gets the idea I was trying to come across with. And now I think she's got the idea from others too :).

Suzieq

Sorry Suzie, I wasn't having a go at you, I knew you hadn't said it originally, but I was quoting you and didn't want to use that word myself. I knew what you were gettting at.

Carole

*AndyK* · 07 Apr 2010, 13:03

I think it's important to reiterate that the key word that's cropped up a few times in this thread is respect.

Treat everyone and their opinions with a decent level of respect. You can disagree with someones opinion in a reasoned and structured argument (this is after all a discussion board), but don't go and attack the person behind the opinion. Not everyone is going to have the same opinion, because basically everyone is a flawed human being (apart from me obviously because I am perfect

).

Remember that the mod team are here to resolve any "rule breaks", so if you see something that you think is in contravention with the way this site operates, then utilise the "report" function available on every post on the forum and we'll address it. Vigilante behaviour will be frowned upon

I'd also take issue with the statement from VH-1's behind the music. I along with many on this board have been fans of Meat for a long long time, form the original heyday through the darker days of the 80's, right up to now. We've expereinced the highs and the lows and I know that there were very many who didn't turn their back on Meat during the lows ... if indeed top 10 albums and singles and sell out tours throughout Europe can be considered "lows". VH-1 needs to do some research before broadcasting something like that

CarylB · 07 Apr 2010, 14:18

I so agree that the VH1 statement was a woefully misleading one. I didn't see Meat's popularity decline this side of the Atlantic, and I'm sure his fans elsewhere didn't "turn their backs on him" .. I think arguably the music industry (particularly that in the US) did, but that's not his fans, it's the guys in suits.

And as you say, he was far from dropping off the radar in Europe where he toured pretty continuously to packed out venues and delighted fans. That he didn't elsewhere was imo due more to lack of support from the suits than from fans .. but VH1 has a somewhat limited perspective on the globe amd all it encompasses imo

Caryl

carole · 07 Apr 2010, 15:54

What is this VH1, I don't think I've seen it, is it a DVD or was it a TV show over there?

Carole

Vickip · 07 Apr 2010, 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by carole

What is this VH1, I don't think I've seen it, is it a DVD or was it a TV show over there?

Carole

They were talking about the original Behind The Music show which aired on
VH1

Fire Ball · 07 Apr 2010, 21:38

What did VH1 say?
M

TheDoode · 07 Apr 2010, 21:44

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

What did VH1 say?
M

It was just the whole "and the fans turned their backs on Meat in the 80's" thing. I actually thought the VH1 behind the music show was pretty cool!

Doode.

Evil One · 07 Apr 2010, 21:49

I agree with Andy and (remember this moment!) Caryl. VH1 is talking bollocks. Meat was playing to packed venues all across the UK in the 80's. It was also the time of the legendary LB&GG tour, which no-one in their right mind would have turned their back on.

CarylB · 07 Apr 2010, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

I agree with Andy and (remember this moment!) Caryl. VH1 is talking bollocks. Meat was playing to packed venues all across the UK in the 80's. It was also the time of the legendary LB&GG tour, which no-one in their right mind would have turned their back on.

And it didn't hurt a bit

It's the often myopic focus of US documentaries .. I think the US music business turned away from Meat (which should not be interpreted as his fans turning their backs) and for VH1 the world seems to end at the western shores of the Atlantic

It always grates on me when I hear people talking about Meat's "come-back", as if he dropped off the planet until Bat2 .. As far as I'm concerned he never went away

He packed them in through the eighties here and also on world tours.

Caryl

Evil One · 07 Apr 2010, 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarylB

And it didn't hurt a bit

Not at the time, but I'm getting a bit of a stinging sensation now.

TheDoode · 07 Apr 2010, 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarylB

And it didn't hurt a bit

It's the often myopic focus of US documentaries .. I think the US music business turned away from Meat (which should not be interpreted as his fans turning their backs) and for VH1 the world seems to end at the western shores of the Atlantic

It always grates on me when I hear people talking about Meat's "come-back", as if he dropped off the planet until Bat2 .. As far as I'm concerned he never went away

He packed them in through the eighties here and also on world tours.

Caryl

Yeah, but it makes for one hell of a great rock n roll story!

Doode.

CarylB · 07 Apr 2010, 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

Not at the time, but I'm getting a bit of a stinging sensation now.

Then my cup runneth over

And @ Doode

True .. but the real version is a great rock and roll story too

Nothing about Meat's journey or the way he has tackled it, head down and driving to the touchline is lacking in "BIG"

Big man, big voice, enormous talent, huge heart, energy, focus and determination. Needs no "embiggening"

Caryl

duke knooby · 08 Apr 2010, 01:04

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Originally Posted by CarylB

Needs no "embiggening"

Caryl

is that a word?

Evil One · 08 Apr 2010, 01:07

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

TheDoode · 08 Apr 2010, 01:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

Dude, isn't this thread like your Kryptonite, or something??

Doode.

Evil One · 08 Apr 2010, 01:27

Doode, why would you think such a thing?

TheDoode · 08 Apr 2010, 01:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

Doode, why would you think such a thing?

Evil One, I have no idea at all.

Evil One · 08 Apr 2010, 01:32

Then go and sit in the corner and contemplate.

TheDoode · 08 Apr 2010, 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

Then go and sit in the corner and contemplate.

Um, no.

PS - anyone who hasn't heard them yet, Hang Cool clips http://www.exlibris.ch/musik/cd/meat...=0602527340975 - go there now - they're awesome!

clpmss · 08 Apr 2010, 02:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

What did VH1 say?
M

it was the narrator who stated that us fans turned our backs on you along with the record companies...

suzieq · 08 Apr 2010, 07:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by carole

Sorry Suzie, I wasn't having a go at you, I knew you hadn't said it originally, but I was quoting you and didn't want to use that word myself. I knew what you were gettting at.

Carole

No worries Carole....you and I are often on the same page. I didn't think you were having a go at me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

What did VH1 say?
M

Hey Meat, it's how the others have said.....the direct line came in at 23:14 of the link below. Quoting narrator "Deadringer dropped off the charts after 11 weeks, and Meat found himself once again in freefall. It wasn't only the fans that turned their backs on Meat Loaf. After the disappointment of Dead Ringer, his record and management companies went from allies to adversaries."

http://www.vh1.com/video/behind-the-...playlist.jhtml

As you have said Meat, a lie can become the truth. It pains me to think that your truth was that the fans turned on you. I'd rather think that the narrator built up that line for the sake of a more dramatic punch (as if the documentary really needed it).

However, I don't want you to believe for one second that I've ever turned my back on you and others have voiced much of the same.

Suzieq

melon · 08 Apr 2010, 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by clpmss

it was the narrator who stated that us fans turned our backs on you along with the record companies...

What tosh!!!!!!

Well, I wasn't really around in the 80's lol, only the last 2 years of that decade, But I won't do that!!!!

clpmss · 09 Apr 2010, 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by melon

What tosh!!!!!!

Well, I wasn't really around in the 80's lol, only the last 2 years of that decade, But I won't do that!!!!

I agree with you mel, it is tosh. I was around in the 70s & 80s. I didn't get to go to any shows back then, was a little too young. I have Dead Ringer, Blind Before I Stop, Midnight at the lost and found, Bad attitude and more. They are on cassette and I love all of them. Not all the songs that are on them but the majority of them. I also have them on my IPOD. This "FAN" didn't turn her back the Meat Loaf. People should be constructively negative and not bashing. I don't see any reason for that except to get someone's attention.

CarylB · 09 Apr 2010, 01:13

I think VH1 included it in the narration just to embellish the story Chris, and not intended as anything particularly destructive. Here people have just been saying that although the music business may have turned their backs on Meat his fans didn't .. and that he had built a pretty solid career in the 80s touring in Europe and also around the world

Caryl

Sue K · 09 Apr 2010, 03:38

when did this VH1 show air ? ...

07 Apr 2010, 13:03	#52
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	I think it's important to reiterate that the key word that's cropped up a few times in this thread is respect. Treat everyone and their opinions with a decent level of respect. You can disagree with someones opinion in a reasoned and structured argument (this is after all a discussion board), but don't go and attack the person behind the opinion. Not everyone is going to have the same opinion, because basically everyone is a flawed human being (apart from me obviously because I am perfect ). Remember that the mod team are here to resolve any "rule breaks", so if you see something that you think is in contravention with the way this site operates, then utilise the "report" function available on every post on the forum and we'll address it. Vigilante behaviour will be frowned upon I'd also take issue with the statement from VH-1's behind the music. I along with many on this board have been fans of Meat for a long long time, form the original heyday through the darker days of the 80's, right up to now. We've expereinced the highs and the lows and I know that there were very many who didn't turn their back on Meat during the lows ... if indeed top 10 albums and singles and sell out tours throughout Europe can be considered "lows". VH-1 needs to do some research before broadcasting something like that

07 Apr 2010, 14:18	#53
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	I so agree that the VH1 statement was a woefully misleading one. I didn't see Meat's popularity decline this side of the Atlantic, and I'm sure his fans elsewhere didn't "turn their backs on him" .. I think arguably the music industry (particularly that in the US) did, but that's not his fans, it's the guys in suits. And as you say, he was far from dropping off the radar in Europe where he toured pretty continuously to packed out venues and delighted fans. That he didn't elsewhere was imo due more to lack of support from the suits than from fans .. but VH1 has a somewhat limited perspective on the globe amd all it encompasses imo Caryl

07 Apr 2010, 15:54	#54
carole Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2007 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 2,286	What is this VH1, I don't think I've seen it, is it a DVD or was it a TV show over there? Carole

07 Apr 2010, 21:38	#56
Fire Ball Himself Join Date: 05.02.2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,044	What did VH1 say? M

07 Apr 2010, 21:49	#58
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	I agree with Andy and (remember this moment!) Caryl. VH1 is talking bollocks. Meat was playing to packed venues all across the UK in the 80's. It was also the time of the legendary LB&GG tour, which no-one in their right mind would have turned their back on.

08 Apr 2010, 01:07	#64
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	It's a perfectly cromulent word.

08 Apr 2010, 01:27	#66
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Doode, why would you think such a thing?

08 Apr 2010, 01:32	#68
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Then go and sit in the corner and contemplate.

09 Apr 2010, 01:13	#74
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	I think VH1 included it in the narration just to embellish the story Chris, and not intended as anything particularly destructive. Here people have just been saying that although the music business may have turned their backs on Meat his fans didn't .. and that he had built a pretty solid career in the 80s touring in Europe and also around the world Caryl

09 Apr 2010, 03:38	#75
Sue K Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Posts: 13,041	when did this VH1 show air ? ...