Fan campaign discussion

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

I know that people have been working hard on it. I just don't feel that those efforts have been focused in the right areas.

For the record, I HOPE it works!

Doode.

what do you suggest??

[duke knooby]

a completely random thought... but why is it important to get this into the charts???

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by duke knooby

what do you suggest??

My initial thoughts are posted in the other thread, but I don't think that it's a direction the group wanted to go in. Which is not a problem for me, but I think the result will suffer under the current direction.

Doode.

[snider22]

Ok, I have remained quite on this subject until now but I feel that there is to much misinformation floating around on here. We as a group the 10 or so of us that volunteered (myself included) to help came together and decided how we wanted to run this campaign. People tend to think that there is one person making all the decisions and that is not the case our group is a democracy and not a dictatorship. We are willing to listen to anyones ideas and others are welcome to volunteer and help out. But if all you want to do is criticize and bitch about the fact that you don't like the campaign then don't come on this thread and talk about.

We have chosen to conduct our campaign outside of the walls of MLUKFC simply because we anticipated the bitching, moaning, and complaining that would commence. If you don't want to help or support the campaign that is fine, but if your not going to be respectful and constructive, then shut the f*ck up about it.

To those who have helped and are supporting us I say thank you and we greatly appreciate all the help that we can get. We as a group firmly believe that we can and will pull this off.

[LisaT]

Originally Posted by Jayd

Personally, I just applaud the effort of those doing this, and for 89p, I will purchase the track. I myself have 7 copies of HCTB, but 89p for a bit of support what members are doing here, is not going to bankrupt me.

Well done guys, hope you can pull it off.

Well said! The guys are doing a great thing. Maybe it will make a difference, maybe it won't. Either way, I'm willing to spend 89p in the hope that it does - without losing any sleep over it!

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by snider22

To those who have helped and are supporting us I say thank you and we greatly appreciate all the help that we can get. We as a group firmly believe that we can and will pull this off.

I wish I could help more, but I really hope you can pull it off
Have you figured out a way for us to download the song in the USA
Vicki

[stretch37]

Thats exactly what i've been wanting to say as someone working my ass off for this cause, I find it annoying that there are a handful of people willing to sit there and bitch at us that we're doing it wrong, and it wont work.

And yet they are not putting in hours of work on their own and sending in their ideas ? People come on. Lets be positive and supportive or don't bother coming to this thread. This thread is slipping into the cliche bad habit of shitting all over what little positive energy exists. Positivity can be fragile especially when we are rushed for time and emotions run high. Constructive criticism is FINE, except when its at our crucial time of getting things done. At this point, I think it is safe to say that this thread was put up in hopes that you all would be supportive and help us keep going and pushing.

It can still become that.

Pretty please with a cherry on top?

Originally Posted by snider22

Ok, I have remained quite on this subject until now but I feel that there is to much misinformation floating around on here. We as a group the 10 or so of us that volunteered (myself included) to help came together and decided how we wanted to run this campaign. People tend to think that there is one person making all the decisions and that is not the case our group is a democracy and not a dictatorship. We are willing to listen to anyones ideas and others are welcome to volunteer and help out. But if all you want to do is criticize and bitch about the fact that you don't like the campaign then don't come on this thread and talk about.

We have chosen to conduct our campaign outside of the walls of MLUKFC simply because we anticipated the bitching, moaning, and complaining that would commence. If you don't want to help or support the campaign that is fine, but if your not going to be respectful and constructive, then shut the f*ck up about it.

To those who have helped and are supporting us I say thank you and we greatly appreciate all the help that we can get. We as a group firmly believe that we can and will pull this off.

[Pudding]

I think I've had a post removed nevermind

But anyway, the fact that some 'proper' fans are putting the time, effort and money into a campaign to make Meat, the songwriters, the record company and anyone else involved in the album more money is fantastic

However, any spare cash I have will go towards something a bit more worthwhile like Cancer Research Saying that, if Meat and his record company were to donate all proceeds from a song to charity, then I'd download it 20 times not a problem.

But I agree with Duke Knooby - why is it important to get this into the charts???

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by snider22

Ok, I have remained quite on this subject until now but I feel that there is to much misinformation floating around on here. We as a group the 10 or so of us that volunteered (myself included) to help came together and decided how we wanted to run this campaign. People tend to think that there is one person making all the decisions and that is not the case our group is a democracy and not a dictatorship. We are willing to listen to anyones ideas and others are welcome to volunteer and help out. But if all you want to do is criticize and bitch about the fact that you don't like the campaign then don't come on this thread and talk about.

We have chosen to conduct our campaign outside of the walls of MLUKFC simply because we anticipated the bitching, moaning, and complaining that would commence. If you don't want to help or support the campaign that is fine, but if your not going to be respectful and constructive, then shut the f*ck up about it.

To those who have helped and are supporting us I say thank you and we greatly appreciate all the help that we can get. We as a group firmly believe that we can and will pull this off.

It isn't a democracy. And I have been 'dictated' to about this. Hence my withdrawal from the team.

Everyone here wants Meat to get to number one, and any campaign in his name to succeed, but I'm pretty sure that they also have concerns about that not happening without those responsible being... how should I put it... a little more flexible, and a little more in tune with what users of the sites that you're advertising on actually want. No-one wants to take away from the work that has been done. No-one wants to mock what people are doing, here.

Please don't tell anyone to "shut the f*ck up", because THAT is dissrespectful; disagreeing with with the direction of a fan campaign and offering actual input and agreeing to spread the word... is not.

I have tried to put what little time I have into this, but all I got was negative correspondence and a feeling of being controlled. I wans't happy about that. I left.

And now you're asking people not to discuss the campaign, in a thread that clearly says "discuss the campaign". Well, I don't buy it. Suggest you re-define your current definition of democracy.

Doode.

[A Slice Of English]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

It isn't a democracy. And I have been 'dictated' to about this. Hence my withdrawal from the team.

Everyone here wants Meat to get to number one, and any campaign in his name to succeed, but I'm pretty sure that they also have concerns about that not happening without those responsible being... how should I put it... a little more flexible, and a little more in tune with what users of the sites that you're advertising on actually want. No-one wants to take away from the work that has been done. No-one wants to mock what people are doing, here.

Please don't tell anyone to "shut the f*ck up", because THAT is dissrespectful; disagreeing with with the direction of a fan campaign and offering actual input and agreeing to spread the word... is not.

I have tried to put what little time I have into this, but all I got was negative correspondence and a feeling of being controlled. I wans't happy about that. I left.

And now you're asking people not to discuss the campaign, in a thread that clearly says "discuss the campaign". Well, I don't buy it. Suggest you re-define your current definition of democracy.

Doode.

Well said that man. Apparently a democracy is being forced not to say anything about the campaign unless it is positive, even if you don't feel that way about it.

[TheDoode]

Thanks, man.

There's a weird line on this site, and the balance is never right. When I first came here there was a mass of negativity, and I didn't see how it had got to that point at the time (but that's another issue). On the opposite side there are those who blindly follow, and praise, and sugar coat every little thing - even when it clearly isn't true. At the moment, the latter are isolating the former, and also those who fall in between (who I like to think of as the majority).

Has my view on this changed since I first came here? Well, yeah. I see why there was a mass of negativity and, though I don't agree with it, I can easily see how it got there. From the outside looking in it was weird. From the inside seeing all, it is completely justified, and I apologise to some of those guys.

The fan campaign is a great thing. Hands down. I know that I want it to succeed, even if I don't agree with the direction that it's going in.

I hope this comes off, and the album gets a second lease of life on the back of the single.

Doode.

[melon]

Originally Posted by Jayd

Personally, I just applaud the effort of those doing this, and for 89p, I will purchase the track. I myself have 7 copies of HCTB, but 89p for a bit of support what members are doing here, is not going to bankrupt me.

Well done guys, hope you can pull it off.

Thankyou Jayd

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by Pudding

But I agree with Duke Knooby - why is it important to get this into the charts???

From what I see, the idea is more about getting Meat exposure and creating awareness of the new material, and if the means to do this is by generating enough sales to get into the charts, then I think that's fair enough.

I don't speak for the campaign, and am not part of it due to time constraints, but I applaud their efforts none the less, and will happily contribute 89p to see if I can help make a difference - it's the least I can do, other than nothing.

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I dare say the people doing this are not so insecure they need their collective bum licked every time somebody actually has something to say?

ROFL!!! Well, no, but then I hadn't realised that was on offer!

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Pudding

But I agree with Duke Knooby - why is it important to get this into the charts???

But I think that is also WHY it would be impossible to do a stunt like this as we for example had last year with Rage against the machine, there is no momentum or urgency now as that whole carry on was because of preventing X Factor reaching number 1.
Perhaps the lack of sales at this time of year may make it easier then at Christmas, I don't have a clue but still there is no particular contest, no reason really is there?

Come June 14th I think most people will be thinking about football instead.

Personally I think "Like a Rose" is one of the worst songs Meat has ever recorded. In my eyes and ears it is everything that classic Meat Loaf is not: short, a short title, a simple story (not told from the protagonist's point of view either), ridiculously simple lyrics, too loud and contributions from other artists for absolutely no reason other than the "cool" factor which again is not classic Meat Loaf.

Maybe trying to get Bat or AFL to chart at number 1 for Christmas is a more interesting project as long as profits go to charity.
The Facebook fan page already has over 2000 people "liking" it.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by Pudding

I think I've had a post removed nevermind

But anyway, the fact that some 'proper' fans are putting the time, effort and money into a campaign to make Meat, the songwriters, the record company and anyone else involved in the album more money is fantastic

However, any spare cash I have will go towards something a bit more worthwhile like Cancer Research Saying that, if Meat and his record company were to donate all proceeds from a song to charity, then I'd download it 20 times not a problem.

But I agree with Duke Knooby - why is it important to get this into the charts???

I'm all for people doing whatever they want. I personally don't see what it is worth the long-time, dedicated members of this forum fighting over. Pudding is right, if I have already purchased the product I have supported it, why give people who are already wealthy beyond me more money? Just my opinion also. If this were to support a worthy charity or something I'd be more inclined to participate as it is giving toward something beyond people I have already enriched. It is the record company that has failed, not Meat and not us. Why reward them for botching the job by doing it for them? The sad thing to me though is the attitudes this has created. To each their own. If someone doesn't want to participate fine and they are entitled to their opinion. If someone wants to spend their last cent on it that is fine also. Why fight over it?

[Rage Against]

Is this a fan site?

[mtaylor315]

Just wanted to give my opinion on all of this.

I've so far tried to help in every way I can, whether that would be joining the Facebook page, adding the video & information to my Youtube account, or pledging to download the song.

My personal opinion is that this is a good idea. Positively, it may allow attention to be put on HCTB if the song is able to chart, thus reaching an larger audience which I feel the record company failed to reach during promotion of the album. Negatively, it may not chart. It may turn out to be a failure. But I feel that there's nothing to lose with giving this a go.

I know there is many who don't support this for one reason or another, and trust me that I do understand that. I just felt I had to leave a message here, as it seems as though a deep divide is surfacing on this website quickly, and despite people's differences in opinion, none of us here should allow the divide to occur, when all of us here are here for a single purpose : our liking/love for Meat's music.

By all means people should have opinions, I'm not saying people should refrain from that. However, I don't feel this issue is worth this forum being divided over. Debate by all means, I just hope that people can debate without any sort of disregard to another who differs in opinion.

I really sincerely hope that this fan campaign is a success. HCTB in my opinion deserves better than it has currently been treated too in the charts. I wish the fan campaign guys all the best in their efforts

All the best
Mike

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by daveake

I meant it was tempting for me to say it ; just injecting a little humour.

When an opinion and a question meets so much hostility, humour has very little chance i'm afraid Dave

Originally Posted by CarylB

If I can just answer this point. We said signed. The website would make it plain that Meat had written a message and signed the original picture, and they could download a personal copy. There was never the intention to post out originals, not would that be promised. As it is we do not have this yet. What we offer is a picture of Meat as a thank you. He is aware of what we are doing, and we have had no complaints from those who have signed up and downloaded it. We will also be offering another picture to those who sign up to support the campaign. This is not on site yet.

Caryl

Thanks for the reply

See folks?
That's all it takes.
I asked a question, I got an answer.
No nastiness or "negativity" needed.

Originally Posted by Rage Against

Went through my posts and don't see anywhere I said, "the members of staff of this forum are not Meat Loaf fans." I did say, "If you don't support, why are you here?"

You insinuated that I do not support Meat Loaf.
That is plainly not true.
There is a nasty feel of "if you're not with us you're against us" brewing up, and it's not nice.

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

I have also declined to sign up to this campaign. This is not because I am not a Meat Loaf fan and not because I do not like the song. I do like the song, but I own it already on CD, deluxe version CD and LP, so no way in hell will I be downloading an inferior copy of the song on a specified date.

That's your choice.
It also happens to be mine.
I have no idea how to download a song from the net and put it on a CD, and I don't see why I should have to learn something I have no interest in so I can support a campaign that I believe will (if it's successful) lead away from physical releases in shops.

I've joined the facebook as a show of support, and I wish the campaigners well with their efforts, but that's as far as i'll go with it.

If the single was sold in the shops, even if it was just the one song on a CD for £2.99 or whatever, i'd buy it.
I'm not overkeen on the song, but i'd buy it in support Meat.
THat's my choice.

People who decide they already have the song three times and refuse to buy the single have every right to think like that, and although I would buy it, I wouldn't point the finger at people who wouldn't accusing them of not supporting Meat enough.

[R.]

Enough.