LETS GET PATTI RUSSO BACK IN THE NEVERLAND EXPRESS! - Page 3

glamourgirl · 02 Sep 2014, 20:32

Patti has every right to speak her truth and Meat has every right to speak his. Meat wrote an autobiography about people and events in his career (some pleasant and some not so pleasant). Was that unprofessional of him? Certainly not, nor is it uprofessional of Patti.

loaferman61 · 02 Sep 2014, 22:15

I don't see where "seeming to accept" what one party said means anything more than "seeming to accept" what the other said. We are always reminded on here that people "have every right to..." so is that selectively applied?

Both parties have their side and neither has said anything that reveals much in public. I assume that is their wish and we should respect that. If either does choose to speak they have the right to and we should also respect that.

I was taken out of context as to "it happened again" my meaning was that they obviously fell out again, not that events repeated themselves.

As I said IMO Patti isn't coming back and IMO shouldn't. But my opinion is also that she won't be asked

AndrewG · 02 Sep 2014, 22:58

Did I read that right people attacking Patti on not being "professional" about the break up? Ahum... sorry that is quite something. I know many fans will always stick by Meat Loaf's side and that is fine but considering what went on here in August 2013 (and yes everything I'm sure has been been deleted but I cannot erase it from memory) I think attacking Patti on her professionalism is really beyond a joke.

Evil One · 02 Sep 2014, 23:12

I suspect I have been misinterpreted. I was replying to Adje when I said that revealing personal correspondence in public was not good behaviour. Meaning that I was not going to reveal in public what I've been told in private. I did not mean that Patti's unprofessional behaviour was email related.

LucyK! · 02 Sep 2014, 23:21

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Meaning that I was not going to reveal in public what I've been told in private. I did not mean that Patti's unprofessional behaviour was email related.

You kinda just did...again...

JennaG · 02 Sep 2014, 23:27

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Did I read that right people attacking Patti on not being "professional" about the break up? Ahum... sorry that is quite something. I know many fans will always stick by Meat Loaf's side and that is fine but considering what went on here in August 2013 (and yes everything I'm sure has been been deleted but I cannot erase it from memory) I think attacking Patti on her professionalism is really beyond a joke.

I DO remember August 2013 and some of the comments made from some users of this forum. In my opinion, Meat Loaf was provoked by some of the angry comments which were directed at him and made by people who were not aware of the full situation.

You think attacking Patricia Russo on her professionalism is a joke? Well think what you want. I think her behaviour WAS unprofessional.

loaferman61 · 02 Sep 2014, 23:37

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Originally Posted by JennaG

I DO remember August 2013 and some of the comments made from some users of this forum. In my opinion, Meat Loaf was provoked by some of the angry comments which were directed at him and made by people who were not aware of the full situation.

You think attacking Patricia Russo on her professionalism is a joke? Well think what you want. I think her behaviour WAS unprofessional.

As far as I knew nobody was aware of the full situation outside of those on the inside. I'm not saying anyone would divulge anything here necessarily. But calling someone unprofessional on a public board without the readers knowing enough to judge makes me confused. It is like telling something, yet telling nothing with the charge of being unprofessional.

Why post any place public that someone is unprofessional without giving any reason why? No offense, but that kind of toes a line IMO.

LucyK! · 02 Sep 2014, 23:38

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, I'm sure everyone is guilty of making choices that perhaps weren't the best idea.

Patti posted what she did on Facebook on the night of the first racecourse show once news had broken that she wasn't there. Was it the greatest idea to post that, personally I think not, and if I remember rightly it was deleted soon after. That being said, Patti is free to post what she wants on her personal page, I know I do.

Similarly, we've all seen posts from Meat which have been posted in the heat of the moment, he himself has deemed them inappropriate (without people so kindly pointing it out!) and has asked for them to be removed, usually accompanied by an apology.

We've all made ~~~~ ups, do we need to disect whose were worse?!

JennaG · 02 Sep 2014, 23:42

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Originally Posted by loaferman61

As far as I knew nobody was aware of the full situation outside of those on the inside. I'm not saying anyone would divulge anything here necessarily. But calling someone unprofessional on a public board without the readers knowing enough to judge makes me confused. It is like telling something, yet telling nothing with the charge of being unprofessional.

Why post any place public that someone is unprofessional without giving any reason why? No offense, but that kind of toes a line IMO.

I'm not pretending to know what went on and what led to her departure. I am calling Ms Russo unprofessional based ENTIRELY on the fact that she was criticising a previous employer in an interview to promote her own tour. I don't know about what's the done thing where you are but from where I come from, I have always been told that it is UNPROFESSIONAL and POOR ETIQUETTE to criticise either a present or a previous employer in the public domain.

CarylB · 03 Sep 2014, 00:58

I'd agree with that.

AndrewG · 03 Sep 2014, 01:12

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Originally Posted by LucyK!

We've all made ~~~~ ups, do we need to disect whose were worse?!

No we don't because if someone other than Meat made the ~~~~ up then it is always worse. Always.

CarylB · 03 Sep 2014, 02:06

And I'd disagree with that.

This thread was started with a request for a petition to get Patti reinstated. Like many others, I have said that I think this this is not up to us. I do not think Meat would have ended her contract without reasons, and the fact is that she is no longer with the NLE, and Meat has two excellent backing singers.

I would not seek to take away anything from Patti's significant contribution over many years, but as others have said, things move on. If her absence means some fans no longer want to see Meat Loaf shows, that is their choice, and I hope they get the chance to see her solo or with other bands. As you have said Andrew, there is one more tour planned, and I suspect this final USA tour will sell tickets. Rocktellz & Cocktellz sold tickets, and I am pretty sure London will sell fast too. And we have an album to look forward to, whether our main allegiance is to Meat, to Steinman or to both.

That this thread moves into a "He said, she said" is a bit pointless as we do not know the background, nor are we entitled to. I agree with Jenna's point about the interview Patti gave, and respect Meat for keeping his own counsel .. and none of that directly contributed to why her contract was ended, and speculating as to the reasons for that is just going round the same circle with nothing to base the discussion on.

Shelby Lee, I apologise if you feel I took your comments out of context .. I merely used them to highlight that people's points and views tend to be supporting one side or the other, because in the absence of the facts, that is what seems to happen. I cannot see the point in covering the same ground we did last summer .. unlike the film, we do not know what she did or he did

stretch37 · 03 Sep 2014, 08:42

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Originally Posted by CarylB

That this thread moves into a "He said, she said" is a bit pointless as we do not know the background, nor are we entitled to.

It did this some time ago and exactly. We can speculate until there's compressed steam firing out our ears from frustration and anger at someone who doesn't agree with our opinion. Why not move on. We will not know answers beyond what we know now until someone closer to the conflict like a first or second hand witness can shed some light. I know it's gotten a little bit quite around here - a little too quiet

But I feel that this "he said, she said" thread is something we've manufactured to keep ourselves entertained or something to that effect. Yeah, at least it gets us all talking again

But I'm sure we can come up with something that is both interesting, and full of facts we can debate. I love a good debate

loaferman61 · 03 Sep 2014, 17:26

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Originally Posted by JennaG

I'm not pretending to know what went on and what led to her departure. I am calling Ms Russo unprofessional based ENTIRELY on the fact that she was criticising a previous employer in an interview to promote her own tour. I don't know about what's the done thing where you are but from where I come from, I have always been told that it is UNPROFESSIONAL and POOR ETIQUETTE to criticise either a present or a previous employer in the public domain.

I misinterpreted your original statement. As for what one chooses to say it may be a poor choice indeed. But it is their choice, good or bad. The article I read briefly mentioned her side of the email statement was not so much a big deal to me though others certainly disagree. I have never seen the debated facebook thing so I have no idea if anything was posted there, so I have to go on what little I have seen.

If she received formal notice of her firing via email then what she has said is at least technically accurate, she never said there were other interactions or not.

I just think there is a lot of speculation which people are going to do and more than one version of the story apparently.

glamourgirl · 03 Sep 2014, 17:32

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Originally Posted by JennaG

I'm not pretending to know what went on and what led to her departure. I am calling Ms Russo unprofessional based ENTIRELY on the fact that she was criticising a previous employer in an interview to promote her own tour. I don't know about what's the done thing where you are but from where I come from, I have always been told that it is UNPROFESSIONAL and POOR ETIQUETTE to criticise either a present or a previous employer in the public domain.

Meat has stated that he didn't enjoy working with producers (Desmond Child). He has talked about his problems with certain record companies. (Record companies pay singers' salaries.) Do you think he is unprofessional? Everyone should be held to the same standards, right?

For the record, I don't think he is unprofessional, nor do I think Patti is. They are merely discussing their careers in interviews, forums, social media. It is part of their life story- the bad and good.

loaferman61 · 03 Sep 2014, 17:37

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Originally Posted by JennaG

I'm not pretending to know what went on and what led to her departure. I am calling Ms Russo unprofessional based ENTIRELY on the fact that she was criticising a previous employer in an interview to promote her own tour. I don't know about what's the done thing where you are but from where I come from, I have always been told that it is UNPROFESSIONAL and POOR ETIQUETTE to criticise either a present or a previous employer in the public domain.

If articles are true then Meat willingly made public statements too. Not a slam against him as he clearly said he wanted his statement everywhere. Also I do not slam him because most of us have said things in the heat of the moment. Plus Meat is a man of his word so I am just showing a public statement and how it can be interpreted (rightly or wrongly).

"I'm sorry, they're jerks. I do not like them," he said of the AFL, according to News Ltd reports.

"And I'll tell you what, anybody that I hear announces that they're going to play for them I'm going to write to that particular artist a letter and tell them not to.

"And I hope the AFL hears this and I want this everywhere. Because I will go out of my way to tell any artist do not play for them."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-2...-jerks/3595620

I highlight the above part of the quote to show it was his wish that it be used.

AndrewG · 03 Sep 2014, 19:12

Although Jenna makes a very good point: don't speak badly of a former employer. I think it doesn't work the same in the entertainment industry as it does for the average Joe. The average Joe doesn't get constant media interviews with tons of questions which are usually more about personal life than professional since the professional life can be seen and heard unlike with the average Joe.

Even when it comes to the average Joe I went out my way once to make sure I did not say ANYTHING bad about where I was working in a job interview because indeed I was flamed on this when I was young once. Then I got told I didn't get the job because I wasn't passionate enough about leaving my current job as they thought I was only looking for a job offer to increase my current salary.

Also for Patti specifically her (new) part time employer (SAS band) certainly didn't seem to have a problem with Patti's side of things considering what they wrote on their Facebook page.

Still I agree that Jenna has a valid point but in practice I think the world is often different. I think it's best to be honest but try to stay tactful. So if your current boss is treating you like shit don't say everything is great and you love it there.

anotherday · 03 Sep 2014, 20:46

This WHOLE conversation is arguing semantics. Why?

JennaG · 04 Sep 2014, 00:02

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Originally Posted by glamourgirl

Meat has stated that he didn't enjoy working with producers (Desmond Child). He has talked about his problems with certain record companies. (Record companies pay singers' salaries.) Do you think he is unprofessional? Everyone should be held to the same standards, right?

I totally agree with you and whilst I think these individuals have the right to their own opinion about the people they have worked with, I don't agree that these feelings should always be made public.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Still I agree that Jenna has a valid point but in practice I think the world is often different. I think it's best to be honest but try to stay tactful. So if your current boss is treating you like shit don't say everything is great and you love it there.

In cases like this, I have usually seen advice which would suggest not saying much at all. For example, when asked in an interview why you are leaving a job, you could say something along the lines of the fact that you are looking for a new opportunity and then focus on why you think that company can provide you with that opportunity.

I know it doesn't always work out like that but unfortunately that leaves you more open to criticism.

Wario · 05 Sep 2014, 20:09

Look would you give a healthy Dog an infection to help boost its immune system? No.

Patti and the NLE are fresher and newer now. Never wanna see them together again.

tonyloaf · 06 Sep 2014, 01:55

I do agree

Evil Ernie · 06 Sep 2014, 06:47

I have to say that it's quite sad how ML has so many fights with his former colleagues. He'll often make up with them, but he sure seems to have lots of conflict.

It kind of makes you wonder...

JennaG · 06 Sep 2014, 10:17

People have disagreements with others, it's part of life. You just notice it more when that person is famous and you have more than just a casual interest in them. Besides, some of those disagreements may not have been Meat's fault.

Meat has also worked with a fair few people for quite a long time as well and are very complimentary of what he's like to work with.

nightinr · 06 Sep 2014, 11:54

Thanks to the great response to this thread. I've enjoyed reading everybody's views.

My personal view is its only human for Patti to voice her displeasure after allegedly being sacked from a job she held on/off for over 20 years. I don't think she said anything really offensive or did I miss something?

As previous respondents have stated Meat's outbursts against Desmond Child and the AFL were probably a lot worse. To personally criticise a world class producer like Desmond Child is surely worse than what Patti did.

I'm a big fan of both Meat and Patti I just hope they can resolve their differences soon

renegadeangel · 06 Sep 2014, 13:21

In the end its a free country and everyone can express their opinion. If it comes back to bite them well then its their own doing.
Pretty pointless to go on about he said she said as it will never resolve an already completed process.
Time to move on.

03 Sep 2014, 19:12	#67
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Although Jenna makes a very good point: don't speak badly of a former employer. I think it doesn't work the same in the entertainment industry as it does for the average Joe. The average Joe doesn't get constant media interviews with tons of questions which are usually more about personal life than professional since the professional life can be seen and heard unlike with the average Joe. Even when it comes to the average Joe I went out my way once to make sure I did not say ANYTHING bad about where I was working in a job interview because indeed I was flamed on this when I was young once. Then I got told I didn't get the job because I wasn't passionate enough about leaving my current job as they thought I was only looking for a job offer to increase my current salary. Also for Patti specifically her (new) part time employer (SAS band) certainly didn't seem to have a problem with Patti's side of things considering what they wrote on their Facebook page. Still I agree that Jenna has a valid point but in practice I think the world is often different. I think it's best to be honest but try to stay tactful. So if your current boss is treating you like shit don't say everything is great and you love it there. Last edited by AndrewG; 03 Sep 2014 at 19:24.

02 Sep 2014, 20:32	#51
glamourgirl Super Loafer Join Date: 15.09.2009 Posts: 642	Patti has every right to speak her truth and Meat has every right to speak his. Meat wrote an autobiography about people and events in his career (some pleasant and some not so pleasant). Was that unprofessional of him? Certainly not, nor is it uprofessional of Patti.

02 Sep 2014, 22:15	#52
loaferman61 Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2003 Location: In the dark Posts: 1,557	I don't see where "seeming to accept" what one party said means anything more than "seeming to accept" what the other said. We are always reminded on here that people "have every right to..." so is that selectively applied? Both parties have their side and neither has said anything that reveals much in public. I assume that is their wish and we should respect that. If either does choose to speak they have the right to and we should also respect that. I was taken out of context as to "it happened again" my meaning was that they obviously fell out again, not that events repeated themselves. As I said IMO Patti isn't coming back and IMO shouldn't. But my opinion is also that she won't be asked

02 Sep 2014, 22:58	#53
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Did I read that right people attacking Patti on not being "professional" about the break up? Ahum... sorry that is quite something. I know many fans will always stick by Meat Loaf's side and that is fine but considering what went on here in August 2013 (and yes everything I'm sure has been been deleted but I cannot erase it from memory) I think attacking Patti on her professionalism is really beyond a joke.

02 Sep 2014, 23:12	#54
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	I suspect I have been misinterpreted. I was replying to Adje when I said that revealing personal correspondence in public was not good behaviour. Meaning that I was not going to reveal in public what I've been told in private. I did not mean that Patti's unprofessional behaviour was email related.

02 Sep 2014, 23:38	#58
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, I'm sure everyone is guilty of making choices that perhaps weren't the best idea. Patti posted what she did on Facebook on the night of the first racecourse show once news had broken that she wasn't there. Was it the greatest idea to post that, personally I think not, and if I remember rightly it was deleted soon after. That being said, Patti is free to post what she wants on her personal page, I know I do. Similarly, we've all seen posts from Meat which have been posted in the heat of the moment, he himself has deemed them inappropriate (without people so kindly pointing it out!) and has asked for them to be removed, usually accompanied by an apology. We've all made ~~~~ ups, do we need to disect whose were worse?!

03 Sep 2014, 00:58	#60
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	I'd agree with that.

03 Sep 2014, 02:06	#62
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	And I'd disagree with that. This thread was started with a request for a petition to get Patti reinstated. Like many others, I have said that I think this this is not up to us. I do not think Meat would have ended her contract without reasons, and the fact is that she is no longer with the NLE, and Meat has two excellent backing singers. I would not seek to take away anything from Patti's significant contribution over many years, but as others have said, things move on. If her absence means some fans no longer want to see Meat Loaf shows, that is their choice, and I hope they get the chance to see her solo or with other bands. As you have said Andrew, there is one more tour planned, and I suspect this final USA tour will sell tickets. Rocktellz & Cocktellz sold tickets, and I am pretty sure London will sell fast too. And we have an album to look forward to, whether our main allegiance is to Meat, to Steinman or to both. That this thread moves into a "He said, she said" is a bit pointless as we do not know the background, nor are we entitled to. I agree with Jenna's point about the interview Patti gave, and respect Meat for keeping his own counsel .. and none of that directly contributed to why her contract was ended, and speculating as to the reasons for that is just going round the same circle with nothing to base the discussion on. Shelby Lee, I apologise if you feel I took your comments out of context .. I merely used them to highlight that people's points and views tend to be supporting one side or the other, because in the absence of the facts, that is what seems to happen. I cannot see the point in covering the same ground we did last summer .. unlike the film, we do not know what she did or he did

03 Sep 2014, 20:46	#68
anotherday Super Loafer Join Date: 12.10.2012 Posts: 801	This WHOLE conversation is arguing semantics. Why?

05 Sep 2014, 20:09	#70
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	Look would you give a healthy Dog an infection to help boost its immune system? No. Patti and the NLE are fresher and newer now. Never wanna see them together again.

06 Sep 2014, 01:55	#71
tonyloaf Metal Head Join Date: 15.05.2006 Location: Brighton Posts: 2,398	I do agree

06 Sep 2014, 06:47	#72
Evil Ernie Super Loafer Join Date: 03.06.2011 Posts: 667	I have to say that it's quite sad how ML has so many fights with his former colleagues. He'll often make up with them, but he sure seems to have lots of conflict. It kind of makes you wonder...

06 Sep 2014, 10:17	#73
JennaG Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.02.2010 Location: Posts: 1,934	People have disagreements with others, it's part of life. You just notice it more when that person is famous and you have more than just a casual interest in them. Besides, some of those disagreements may not have been Meat's fault. Meat has also worked with a fair few people for quite a long time as well and are very complimentary of what he's like to work with.

06 Sep 2014, 11:54	#74
nightinr Super Loafer Join Date: 04.09.2011 Posts: 358	Thanks to the great response to this thread. I've enjoyed reading everybody's views. My personal view is its only human for Patti to voice her displeasure after allegedly being sacked from a job she held on/off for over 20 years. I don't think she said anything really offensive or did I miss something? As previous respondents have stated Meat's outbursts against Desmond Child and the AFL were probably a lot worse. To personally criticise a world class producer like Desmond Child is surely worse than what Patti did. I'm a big fan of both Meat and Patti I just hope they can resolve their differences soon

06 Sep 2014, 13:21	#75
renegadeangel Super Loafer Join Date: 18.05.2006 Posts: 604	In the end its a free country and everyone can express their opinion. If it comes back to bite them well then its their own doing. Pretty pointless to go on about he said she said as it will never resolve an already completed process. Time to move on.