Meat To Receive Q Award - Page 5

samurai7 · 08 Oct 2008, 01:20

doesn't drink to get drunk. we've all seen him swig a beer on stage, and he does talk about a shot or two of tequila before a show, but that doesn't mean he drinks himself drunk.

LP · 08 Oct 2008, 01:24

Yeah, fair enough. I guess I don't understand enough about the vertigo to believe that anything aside from drugs or alcohol can do that to someone's speech, comprehension and self-awareness.

I hope he gets better soon, whatever the problem may be.

PS - Meat also said that he got his name when a VW ran over his head...!

Pudding · 08 Oct 2008, 01:39

There's a few overblown comments being made and some people need to take a chill pill.

Meat went to the awards out of his own choosing even though he apparently knew he wasn't well long before he went. No it's not nice to see him like this, but it was his choice to go.

And if you didn't know Meat and saw him stumbling out of a car you'd automatically think he'd had a drink or three, which asking for an autograph is fair game. The general public in Britain aren't armed with the knowledge about Meat Loaf, his drinking habits or his medical conditions like some people on here.

Pud

AndrewG · 08 Oct 2008, 01:45

Pud pretty much sums it up. It's really ashame to see him like this as it is just a very bad impression people will get of him, whether or not we like it or accept it.

LP · 08 Oct 2008, 01:51

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Originally Posted by Pudding

There's a few overblown comments being made and some people need to take a chill pill.

Meat went to the awards out of his own choosing even though he apparently knew he wasn't well long before he went. No it's not nice to see him like this, but it was his choice to go.

And if you didn't know Meat and saw him stumbling out of a car you'd automatically think he'd had a drink or three, which asking for an autograph is fair game. The general public in Britain aren't armed with the knowledge about Meat Loaf, his drinking habits or his medical conditions like some people on here.

Pud

I couldn't have said it better....

...I've always wanted to do that. Ha!

He had the opportunity to pass on the awards and could have sent a message explaining his absence. The fact that he carried on and nobody stopped him is quite worrying.

geordieloaf · 08 Oct 2008, 01:59

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Originally Posted by LP

I couldn't have said it better....

...I've always wanted to do that. Ha!

He had the opportunity to pass on the awards and could have sent a message explaining his absence. The fact that he carried on and nobody stopped him is quite worrying.

That's true but he had travelled all the way from the usa and what he said was he became unwell on the morning of the awards. So if i was him i would have made the effort to turn up after travelling so far.
I didn't think it was that bad yes he stubbled when he got out of the car, so people thought he was drunk. He's a grown man and if he had decided to get blattered before hand then that would be his choice why should someone have stopped him?
My missus always tells me i've had enough when were on a night out and i don't listen to her!

mszee · 08 Oct 2008, 02:48

Well, I've finally got around to listening to the clips. As I've expected it was all blown out of proportion...it sounded to me like typical Meat albeit very much tired...which is understandable.

And now for the question...should he...shouldn't have he...I thought about it for a while and my first reaction was..well, he probably shouldn't have...

And then...you have to remember...this is MEAT...large than life Meat who probably at 61 still thinks he is 21...it is very hard to live your life being this bear of a man and face the reality of being older now...I for one understand very well...so...he did what he thought was best and that's that...

Pudding · 08 Oct 2008, 03:21

Regardless of who you are or how far you've travelled it's no excuse to ignore the warning signs about your health. Meat threw caution to the wind, no one asked him to and no one stopped him. It is sad to see him in that state but I'd rather not see him at all if he isn't well.

Pud

mszee · 08 Oct 2008, 04:37

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Regardless of who you are or how far you've travelled it's no excuse to ignore the warning signs about your health. Meat threw caution to the wind, no one asked him to and no one stopped him. It is sad to see him in that state but I'd rather not see him at all if he isn't well.

Pud

I honestly think if the case was that he wasn't feeling well before the awards, he just might have overestimated himself...you know...the older we get...the younger we think we are...unfortunately, most of us will feel this way sooner or later...

Do not misunderstand me, I am not looking for any excuses...I am just looking for possible explanations...

Pudding · 08 Oct 2008, 05:12

Of course he wasn't feeling well before the awards, he said that himself, he woke up with vertigo, the room was spinning around and he needed to see a Doctor, those are his words not mine. He stumbled out of the car, didn't look at all well, stumble up on stage, mumbled some incoherent sentence, got bundled off the stage by Al Murray, then went to see a Doctor.

If health is less important than recieving a crappy looking award then so be it. Personally I'd have gotten someone to accept it on my behalf, like what Pearl did for Meat at the Classic Rock Awards not too long ago.

Pud

*AndyK* · 08 Oct 2008, 12:26

Strikes me this was a no win situation for Meat.

He wakes up on the morning of the awards and he feels unwell ... if he cancels his appearance there's the risk of the negative headlines and stories regarding him pulling out of attending. So, he turns up and what doe she get? Negative headlines and stories regarding him attending.

carole · 08 Oct 2008, 12:56

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

sorry but listening to the audio it was really hard to listen to..... god, imo, I think its really good that we didn't see Meat on video accepting the awards - I think its too sad a time....

You so gotta get better

PS>> Look on the rbight side, HE attended it no matter what, so thats what counts. At least he didn't stay in his hotel room (if you get what I mean)

I agree, Meat is a real trouper still attending even though he was unwell.

Also after reading the articles, why do poeple always assume he drinks and appear drunk! I think he's genuinly ill and not drunk!!! Makes me mad - they can't seem to take his word!!!!!

It annoys me too, the press just seen to look for any excuse to have a go at Meat. They really need to get their facts straight instead of jumping to concclusions. and writing rubbish about him.

Carole

24K · 08 Oct 2008, 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

Of course he wasn't feeling well before the awards, he said that himself, he woke up with vertigo, the room was spinning around and he needed to see a Doctor, those are his words not mine. He stumbled out of the car, didn't look at all well, stumble up on stage, mumbled some incoherent sentence, got bundled off the stage by Al Murray, then went to see a Doctor.

If health is less important than recieving a crappy looking award then so be it. Personally I'd have gotten someone to accept it on my behalf, like what Pearl did for Meat at the Classic Rock Awards not too long ago.

Pud

I personally think Meat should not have attended either, and instead got someone else to receive the award for him.

AndrewG · 08 Oct 2008, 14:19

Rock-Royalty-Not-Exactly-Qing-Up-For-Awards

LucyK! · 08 Oct 2008, 14:26

Very well said Pud. Meat wasn't well, he's now recovering, I think we should now get back to the main point of the thread which is the great news that Bat Out Of Hell has been recognised in such a way and given the award

The link that AndrewG posted (just above this post if I'm typing quick enough

) quips that actually it was Jim who wrote the song not Meat, does anyone know if Jim was mentioned at the ceremony?

mszee · 08 Oct 2008, 14:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyK

Strikes me this was a no win situation for Meat.

He wakes up on the morning of the awards and he feels unwell ... if he cancels his appearance there's the risk of the negative headlines and stories regarding him pulling out of attending. So, he turns up and what doe she get? Negative headlines and stories regarding him attending.

These are exactly my thoughts...thank you for expressing them.

LP · 08 Oct 2008, 14:50

Meat tried to mention Jim, he said something along the lines of " Jim......Jimmy... " and then made the 'over the top' quote.

MeatGrl1 · 08 Oct 2008, 17:42

More news on Meat;

Meat Loaf's dizzy day

SHOCK ! Meat Loaf rushed to hospital

Meat Loaf blames rambling speech on 'vertigo'.

Clickety-Click

I have to agree with Andy's post, Meat's damned if he is and damned if he isn't, either way the papers would find some reason to make or get a negative story but I do feel it's unfair that all the media seem to focus on is his health and not the accomplishment that Bat has acheived in getting this recognition.
I wish Meat a speedy recovery.

**allrevvedup** · 08 Oct 2008, 18:31

Because he's not in the public eye as much anymore (in terms of being a huge selling artist or appearing on MTV etc daily and weekly) any small thing he does that can be shown as an out of the ordinary story will be published and hey at the end of it all, he is there to be shot at (so to speak)

No such thing as bad publicity at the end of the day and maybe if it does one thing it will be to sell a few more copies of Bat from some of the younger Q readers.

**RadioMaster** · 08 Oct 2008, 18:50

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Originally Posted by carole

the press just seen to look for any excuse to have a go at Meat.

that's a bit harsh

Quote:

Originally Posted by 24K

I personally think Meat should not have attended either, and instead got someone else to receive the award for him.

Im not an expert on this, but I think if he wouldnt attend a ceremony like this twice in a row, it might have some effect. For example that he wouldnt get awarded anymore at all, as people wouldnt expect him to show up, etc

LucyK! · 08 Oct 2008, 18:54

Jog my memory, what else did he not attend?

**Monstro** · 08 Oct 2008, 18:55

Was it the Kerang awards? Pearl picked it up for him

**RadioMaster** · 08 Oct 2008, 19:06

thought it was the classic rock thingy? wasnt the kerrang awards the one where he used the f word countless times?

LucyK! · 08 Oct 2008, 19:06

Classic Rock awards

**Monstro** · 08 Oct 2008, 19:19

thas it lol

08 Oct 2008, 01:20	#101
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	doesn't drink to get drunk. we've all seen him swig a beer on stage, and he does talk about a shot or two of tequila before a show, but that doesn't mean he drinks himself drunk.

08 Oct 2008, 01:24	#102
LP Super Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: Cornwall Posts: 262	Yeah, fair enough. I guess I don't understand enough about the vertigo to believe that anything aside from drugs or alcohol can do that to someone's speech, comprehension and self-awareness. I hope he gets better soon, whatever the problem may be. PS - Meat also said that he got his name when a VW ran over his head...!

08 Oct 2008, 01:39	#103
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	There's a few overblown comments being made and some people need to take a chill pill. Meat went to the awards out of his own choosing even though he apparently knew he wasn't well long before he went. No it's not nice to see him like this, but it was his choice to go. And if you didn't know Meat and saw him stumbling out of a car you'd automatically think he'd had a drink or three, which asking for an autograph is fair game. The general public in Britain aren't armed with the knowledge about Meat Loaf, his drinking habits or his medical conditions like some people on here. Pud

08 Oct 2008, 01:45	#104
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,081	Pud pretty much sums it up. It's really ashame to see him like this as it is just a very bad impression people will get of him, whether or not we like it or accept it.

08 Oct 2008, 02:48	#107
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Well, I've finally got around to listening to the clips. As I've expected it was all blown out of proportion...it sounded to me like typical Meat albeit very much tired...which is understandable. And now for the question...should he...shouldn't have he...I thought about it for a while and my first reaction was..well, he probably shouldn't have... And then...you have to remember...this is MEAT...large than life Meat who probably at 61 still thinks he is 21...it is very hard to live your life being this bear of a man and face the reality of being older now...I for one understand very well...so...he did what he thought was best and that's that...

08 Oct 2008, 03:21	#108
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Regardless of who you are or how far you've travelled it's no excuse to ignore the warning signs about your health. Meat threw caution to the wind, no one asked him to and no one stopped him. It is sad to see him in that state but I'd rather not see him at all if he isn't well. Pud

08 Oct 2008, 05:12	#110
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Of course he wasn't feeling well before the awards, he said that himself, he woke up with vertigo, the room was spinning around and he needed to see a Doctor, those are his words not mine. He stumbled out of the car, didn't look at all well, stumble up on stage, mumbled some incoherent sentence, got bundled off the stage by Al Murray, then went to see a Doctor. If health is less important than recieving a crappy looking award then so be it. Personally I'd have gotten someone to accept it on my behalf, like what Pearl did for Meat at the Classic Rock Awards not too long ago. Pud

08 Oct 2008, 12:26	#111
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Strikes me this was a no win situation for Meat. He wakes up on the morning of the awards and he feels unwell ... if he cancels his appearance there's the risk of the negative headlines and stories regarding him pulling out of attending. So, he turns up and what doe she get? Negative headlines and stories regarding him attending.

08 Oct 2008, 14:19	#114
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,081	Rock-Royalty-Not-Exactly-Qing-Up-For-Awards

08 Oct 2008, 14:26	#115
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Very well said Pud. Meat wasn't well, he's now recovering, I think we should now get back to the main point of the thread which is the great news that Bat Out Of Hell has been recognised in such a way and given the award The link that AndrewG posted (just above this post if I'm typing quick enough ) quips that actually it was Jim who wrote the song not Meat, does anyone know if Jim was mentioned at the ceremony?

08 Oct 2008, 14:50	#117
LP Super Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: Cornwall Posts: 262	Meat tried to mention Jim, he said something along the lines of " Jim......Jimmy... " and then made the 'over the top' quote.

08 Oct 2008, 17:42	#118
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	More news on Meat; Meat Loaf's dizzy day SHOCK ! Meat Loaf rushed to hospital Meat Loaf blames rambling speech on 'vertigo'. Clickety-Click I have to agree with Andy's post, Meat's damned if he is and damned if he isn't, either way the papers would find some reason to make or get a negative story but I do feel it's unfair that all the media seem to focus on is his health and not the accomplishment that Bat has acheived in getting this recognition. I wish Meat a speedy recovery.

08 Oct 2008, 18:31	#119
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,356	Because he's not in the public eye as much anymore (in terms of being a huge selling artist or appearing on MTV etc daily and weekly) any small thing he does that can be shown as an out of the ordinary story will be published and hey at the end of it all, he is there to be shot at (so to speak) No such thing as bad publicity at the end of the day and maybe if it does one thing it will be to sell a few more copies of Bat from some of the younger Q readers.

08 Oct 2008, 18:54	#121
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Jog my memory, what else did he not attend?

08 Oct 2008, 18:55	#122
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	Was it the Kerang awards? Pearl picked it up for him

08 Oct 2008, 19:06	#123
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	thought it was the classic rock thingy? wasnt the kerrang awards the one where he used the f word countless times?

08 Oct 2008, 19:06	#124
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Classic Rock awards

08 Oct 2008, 19:19	#125
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	thas it lol