A Big Meat Loaf RANT!!! (RNR Hall of Fame) - Page 5

Pudding · 13 Sep 2010, 11:15

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Genesis are nowhere near as good as Phil Collins' solo stuff imo,

I'll second that.

*AndyK* · 13 Sep 2010, 11:23

Genesis with Peter Gabriel beats Genesis with Phil Collins hands down, and Peter Gabriel's solo stuff beats Phil Collins' solo stuff hands down too IMO. Hmm there's a pattern emerging here.

robgomm · 13 Sep 2010, 11:54

Meat I really think you should do RNRHOF just to show them what they're missing! And you can play the banjo on the show too! If they're not amazed enough already by the performance the banjo solo will do it!

jcmoorehead · 13 Sep 2010, 12:05

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Originally Posted by AndyK

Genesis with Peter Gabriel beats Genesis with Phil Collins hands down, and Peter Gabriel's solo stuff beats Phil Collins' solo stuff hands down too IMO. Hmm there's a pattern emerging here.

I don't really subscribe to any side of the debate. I like Gabriels era because it was more Prog material and of course when he left they stuck with prog and slowly moved on just because thats what they wished to do. Either way they're a great band.

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 14:17

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Originally Posted by robgomm

Meat I really think you should do RNRHOF just to show them what they're missing! And you can play the banjo on the show too! If they're not amazed enough already by the performance the banjo solo will do it!

I doubt that once he said he'll do the same thing the "Sex Pistols" did that's enough for me. The Hall of fame committee has their own agenda, and since Meat has had dealings with them before, I wouldn't give them what they want now, if they didn't treat me right in the past. If you lay down with dogs you're going to get fleas. Be the bigger man move on.

LucyK! · 13 Sep 2010, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

WE are not through pushing it yet . But new one will be out March 2012. we are going to start to record some in march. Hoping for a big surprise at this Christmas . I'm working on it very hard.

Don't forget to take some time off!!!

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

Don't forget to take some time off!!!

No rest for the for the wicked.

Vickip · 13 Sep 2010, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

Don't forget to take some time off!!!

I was thinking the same thing Lucy

Drumbum · 13 Sep 2010, 15:19

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Genesis are nowhere near as good as Phil Collins' solo stuff imo, if anything they have been EXTREMELY inconsistent in the quality of their musical output imo so I personally find that very ironic to hear too but I know many here hate PC so I won't go on about it too much.

Yeah I prefer Phil's solo stuff. Love Peter's solo stuff too and I do like Genesis but if I had to chose to see one of the three live, it'd be Phil solo.

robgomm · 13 Sep 2010, 15:45

Meat you work too hard man.

**The Flying Mouse** · 13 Sep 2010, 15:53

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Is there anyone alive who would not dig being inducted?
Even just a little bit?
It might not be the be all and end all, but anyone who says that don't give a shit about being inducted as one of the immortals or rock n roll is full of shit

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

They have ask me for items , I have refused. It is the good old boys network. No Alice , no Kiss, no Moody Blues. Lots of people who have had major impact on Rock. When they put Jackson Brown in I said . It is crap . I've played concerts for them . Never again.
If they should ever put me in , I'm like the SEx pistols I would not go. They have asked me and Patti to sing at there show "lost that loving feeling" . I said no. They don't like me I don't like them. About 400 people vote on the final ballot. I think it's 12 people who make the ballot. It was a Bruce Springsteen idea to start it.
M

OK, that's me corrected

For the record though, I still say the pistols were crap

AndrewG · 13 Sep 2010, 15:58

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

For the record though, I still say the pistols were crap

Agreed. They belong in the rock n roll hall of shite imo.

JaysScout · 13 Sep 2010, 17:31

As the one who kicked this thread off ( and did not know it had been discussed before.....sorry guys ) I feel the need to state a few things. Most of my "RANT" can probably be traced to my job working in professional baseball. The Baseball Hall Of Fame, located in Cooperstown, NY, is more of a final destination for a player who has had a GREAT career. In fact, you have to be retired for 5 years before you are even eligible for election. The BEST of the BEST get elected ( even though the electors make some mistakes here too). Since Meat Loaf is a NY Yankee fan, I will use the following analogy. Meat NOT beging in the R&R HOF would be the same as Mickey Mantle NOT being in the baseball HOF. This is based solely on DESERVING to be there.

I'm coming to realize (mostly from you guys educating me) that the R&R HOF is a much different entity. It's NOT a final destination. In fact, I'm not sure what purpose it really does serve, other than generating plenty of $ for somebody!!! I've come to realize that the lable "Hall Of Famer" has a far different meaning in Professional sports as compared to Rock and Roll. Whereas many professional athletes need and seek that validation as Hall Of Famers.......Meat Loaf needs no such validation.

My apologies to those on here who are not that familiar with Professional Baseball in the US. I see from reading the posts that MOST on here seem to be from the UK. Who would have ever thought that???? MLUKFC! I guess the UK in the name of the site should have given me a clue. LOL

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 17:44

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Agreed. They belong in the rock n roll hall of shite imo.

I agree they were an image, and that's what got them to where they are. Bad Boys with an attitude, but there songs were average. Johnny Rotten couldn't sing to save his life. If you want to listen to a band that has a similar style, but are a hell of a lot better listen to Green Day.

duke knooby · 13 Sep 2010, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Steve6

If you want to listen to a band that has a similar style, but are a hell of a lot better listen to Green Day.

(or stiff little fingers)

Wario · 13 Sep 2010, 17:51

please. Kasim mentioned the sex pistols on the classic albums DVD. they must be good

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 18:52

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

please. Kasim mentioned the sex pistols on the classic albums DVD. they must be good

If Kasim told you to set yourself on fire, because it will give you a quick suntan would you believe that too?

Everyone's taste is different I respect that. I'm sure some people worship the pistols like we worship the gospel according to loaf.

jcmoorehead · 13 Sep 2010, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Steve6

I agree they were an image, and that's what got them to where they are. Bad Boys with an attitude, but there songs were average. Johnny Rotten couldn't sing to save his life.

You're kinda missing the point of the Sex Pistols and the whole punk rock scene. It wasn't about singing, or playing your instruments correctly, that for them was for the bands like Pink Floyd, Rush, Genesis, for artists like Meat Loaf. Punk was as you said about image, it was about making an impact and taking back the music that to them had grown to be for the 'middle and upper classes.' It was about banging a drumset, putting three chords together and yelling into the mic. It was about energy and rebellion then about musical talent.

They're not my cup of tea but it's important to really understand more what they and the bands like them were about then to just dismiss them outright.

AndrewG · 13 Sep 2010, 19:59

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Originally Posted by jcmoorehead

They're not my cup of tea but it's important to really understand more what they and the bands like them were about then to just dismiss them outright.

Agreed, they made an impact but I still think they are shite.

It's like anything though these kind of awards. How can you possibly compare someone like Meat Loaf to the Sex Pistols, thus who should be inducted if they were both up for the same spot? RNR Hall of Fame is a load of meaningless bollox at the end of the day really. Fun for a laugh and a bit of recognition but it certainly does not influence my taste in music.

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 20:03

This thread has really inspired me. I feel like I've more talent than the sex pistols...it's time to start a punk band who's with me? If all you need is to know three chords, and how to scream into a mic I've that corner covered.

**The Flying Mouse** · 13 Sep 2010, 20:05

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Originally Posted by jcmoorehead

They're not my cup of tea but it's important to really understand more what they and the bands like them were about then to just dismiss them outright.

You put it very well inm the next two quotes..........

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Originally Posted by jcmoorehead

It wasn't about singing, or playing your instruments correctly,

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Originally Posted by jcmoorehead

It was about banging a drumset, putting three chords together and yelling into the mic. It was about energy and rebellion then about musical talent.

aka shite.

jcmoorehead · 13 Sep 2010, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Steve6

This thread has really inspired me. I feel like I've more talent than the sex pistols...it's time to start a punk band who's with me? If all you need is to know three chords, and scream how to scream into a mic I've that corner covered.

You probably have, it wasn't about talent it was about impact and making a statement. The pattern repeated it self in the early 90s with the Grunge scene and bands like Nirvana.

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It's like anything though these kind of awards. How can you possibly compare someone like Meat Loaf to the Sex Pistols, thus who should be inducted if they were both up for the same spot? RNR Hall of Fame is a load of meaningless bollox at the end of the day really. Fun for a laugh and a bit of recognition but it certainly does not influence my taste in music.

Well you compare the two based on their impact to Rock Music, Sex Pistols helped start a whole new sub genre of rock, yeah it wasn't the most talented sub genre but they did do it. Meat had one of the best selling albums of all time. Both are worthy of being in there but and heres the point I definitely agree on, the RNR Hall of Fame is meaningless bollocks. Thats why Meat isn't in, thats why Alice Cooper (Who oddly enough is an influence on the lead singer of the Pistols I believe), Rush and Kiss aren't in.

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aka shite.

Not your cup of tea yes, it's not mine either I like music where the musicians show off their talents but I wouldn't be so dismissive of it based on how it's created. It's not shite just... different to what you or I would normally like.

*AndyK* · 13 Sep 2010, 20:12

It's also about the inspiration that bands liek the Sex Pistols created in others. The Clash were somewhat inspired by the Sex Pistols and many other bands that came after the Pistols were too. There are many bands and artists who claim to have been inspired by The Clash (including Springsteen). So whilst the Sex Pistols weren't the best of the genre they gave others (probably indirectly in many cases) the inspiration for what they did and for that alone I can understand why they're their.

Incidentally if you listen to some of the Sex Pistols tracks there was some pretty heavy guitar going on there (assuming you can ignore the vocals). They weren't the best musicians, but they weren't completely talentless either.

End of the day, there is No honour that will be universally accepted as being bestowed correctly. Because everyones taaste is different. Every year at The Oscars there's the argument about whether the best film won the best film award.

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 20:44

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Originally Posted by AndyK

End of the day, there is No honour that will be universally accepted as being bestowed correctly. Because everyones taaste is different. Every year at The Oscars there's the argument about whether the best film won the best film award.

I have a problem with how some award systems are structured. I don't agree with five men sitting around a table deciding who should win or not. It should be the public or well established film critics. I'd love to know who these people are that have the final say on who wins or not. The Oscars are flawed to be honest not so much the grammys. The RNR Hall of fame seems pretty flawed too.

CarylB · 13 Sep 2010, 21:27

With the RnR HoF it's more about the committee who have the first say .. if they don't endorse a nominee and send their name forward that performer can't attract any votes at all, and the committee seems to be run by those with a vested business interest in certain performers on their labels.

Caryl

13 Sep 2010, 11:23	#102
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Genesis with Peter Gabriel beats Genesis with Phil Collins hands down, and Peter Gabriel's solo stuff beats Phil Collins' solo stuff hands down too IMO. Hmm there's a pattern emerging here.

13 Sep 2010, 11:54	#103
robgomm Mega Loafer Join Date: 22.10.2006 Location: Hemel Hempstead, UK Posts: 1,671	Meat I really think you should do RNRHOF just to show them what they're missing! And you can play the banjo on the show too! If they're not amazed enough already by the performance the banjo solo will do it!

13 Sep 2010, 15:45	#110
robgomm Mega Loafer Join Date: 22.10.2006 Location: Hemel Hempstead, UK Posts: 1,671	Meat you work too hard man.

13 Sep 2010, 17:31	#113
JaysScout Senior Loafer Join Date: 03.09.2010 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 157	As the one who kicked this thread off ( and did not know it had been discussed before.....sorry guys ) I feel the need to state a few things. Most of my "RANT" can probably be traced to my job working in professional baseball. The Baseball Hall Of Fame, located in Cooperstown, NY, is more of a final destination for a player who has had a GREAT career. In fact, you have to be retired for 5 years before you are even eligible for election. The BEST of the BEST get elected ( even though the electors make some mistakes here too). Since Meat Loaf is a NY Yankee fan, I will use the following analogy. Meat NOT beging in the R&R HOF would be the same as Mickey Mantle NOT being in the baseball HOF. This is based solely on DESERVING to be there. I'm coming to realize (mostly from you guys educating me) that the R&R HOF is a much different entity. It's NOT a final destination. In fact, I'm not sure what purpose it really does serve, other than generating plenty of $ for somebody!!! I've come to realize that the lable "Hall Of Famer" has a far different meaning in Professional sports as compared to Rock and Roll. Whereas many professional athletes need and seek that validation as Hall Of Famers.......Meat Loaf needs no such validation. My apologies to those on here who are not that familiar with Professional Baseball in the US. I see from reading the posts that MOST on here seem to be from the UK. Who would have ever thought that???? MLUKFC! I guess the UK in the name of the site should have given me a clue. LOL

13 Sep 2010, 17:51	#116
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	please. Kasim mentioned the sex pistols on the classic albums DVD. they must be good

13 Sep 2010, 20:03	#120
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	This thread has really inspired me. I feel like I've more talent than the sex pistols...it's time to start a punk band who's with me? If all you need is to know three chords, and how to scream into a mic I've that corner covered.

13 Sep 2010, 20:12	#123
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	It's also about the inspiration that bands liek the Sex Pistols created in others. The Clash were somewhat inspired by the Sex Pistols and many other bands that came after the Pistols were too. There are many bands and artists who claim to have been inspired by The Clash (including Springsteen). So whilst the Sex Pistols weren't the best of the genre they gave others (probably indirectly in many cases) the inspiration for what they did and for that alone I can understand why they're their. Incidentally if you listen to some of the Sex Pistols tracks there was some pretty heavy guitar going on there (assuming you can ignore the vocals). They weren't the best musicians, but they weren't completely talentless either. End of the day, there is No honour that will be universally accepted as being bestowed correctly. Because everyones taaste is different. Every year at The Oscars there's the argument about whether the best film won the best film award.

13 Sep 2010, 21:27	#125
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	With the RnR HoF it's more about the committee who have the first say .. if they don't endorse a nominee and send their name forward that performer can't attract any votes at all, and the committee seems to be run by those with a vested business interest in certain performers on their labels. Caryl