Official Meat Loaf Site / Fanclub - Page 5

faolteam · 22 Mar 2005, 17:47

Once again i am not blaming Network Signatures for the problem i only stated did they realise what they were getting into here and obivously people are going to rally around them for an excuse

i would be a bit appprehensive as to why there e-mail are coming back to me all the time

Dave · 22 Mar 2005, 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by faolteam

i only stated did they realise what they were getting into here and obivously people are going to rally around them for an excuse

I do not know if they knew what they were stepping into. As for rallying around them for an excuse, I am not sure what you mean by that. Again, I can see no connection between the membership dues we willingly chose to pay to join various fan clubs in the past and an obligation for the current company running the fan club to do anything about problems back then.

To quote an awesome Meat Loaf song, "What's done is done - for everyone - come on baby let's start again right now - Amnesty is granted!"

I think the best suggestion for all would be to stop, take a deep breath, and not automatically assume something will be horribly wrong with Network Signatures.

To be fair, there have been some ups and downs with this fan club as well. Did people go on a witch hunt when editions of RVM have gone out late? No, we were all gracious and exercised a great deal of patience.

Let's see how this goes before we go crucifying someone.

I still think it is great they are extending free memberships to the MLUKFC members - that is great and way above the call of duty!

Dave

faolteam · 22 Mar 2005, 20:27

Ok well let me simplify it for you as Network Signatures are taking over the Meat Loaf Club from Turnstyle, to me they are taking responsibilty for using the same fan club name they either change it slightly,

But to use the same name is only asking for trouble,

I am not going to sit here and argue with you as my time is precious,

The fact is i was ripped off by this FAN CLUB NAME i recieved nothing from them and that's the bottom line.

How many more people were ripped off by this club, let us know,

faolteam · 22 Mar 2005, 20:32

To Quote An Even More Awesome Song : "i'd Lie For You And Thats The Truth" I Am All Reved Up And No Were To Go" Cause I'm Left In The Dark"

R. · 22 Mar 2005, 20:40

Folks, here's some feedback we received to answer some questions found in this thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Signature Network

1. Signatures Network has no relation to Turnstyle, the past fan club management. We have no ability to make good on their offer. I suggest fans contact their credit card regarding Turnstyle, though it is probably too late. We have been tasked by Meat Loaf to correct on past problems and build a new fan club going forward. It is a step by step process, but I hope you can see we are making efforts to work and address concerns.

2. Some history of Signatures Network... we have been in business for 30 years. We manage or have managed the fan clubs and ticket programs for acts such as... U2, Motley Crue, KISS, Fleetwood Mac, Rod Stewart, Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Alice Cooper, John Mellencamp, Madonna, and others. We work very close with each artist and their management to build a fan club and ticket program with their approval and involvement. Signatures Network has been producing the official merchandise for 100's of acts for 30 years... everyone from Bruce Springsteen, The Beatles, Ozzy, KISS, and many many more. We have a long history and relationship with the artists.

3. We DO NOT automatically renew memberships. We will notify when a membership is about to expire, but it is your responsibility to renew if you wish to continue.

4. We DO NOT store anyone's credit card information.

5. Being developed right now for MeatLoaf.net... webmail, message board, fan galleries, fan reviews, and more. You can take a look at sites such as ClubCherryBomb.net to get a feel of what will be offered.

6. For shows already put onsale we are not able to offer upgrades to the fan club packages. We apologize that we were late in offering the UK tickets, but the delay was a result of taking over and moving from the old fan club and the lack of cooperation. As you can see with the U.S. tour, we will have advance presale access for future dates.

If you have any more questions arising from the offer to MLUKFC, packages, etc., feel free to post them here or send them via email.
We will compile them into a list so that you can expect another batch of answers.

And finally, please keep the discussion constructive and clean.
Thanks for listening.

ROSIE · 22 Mar 2005, 20:49

I have a few questions that .net have failed to answer.

How long will it be before the new site is up and running as it has already eaten into the original 6 months free membership?

As myself and others had more than 6 months left from the old fan club why can't this time be matched month for month>

How long do fans who buy the Platinium package actually get with Meat i.e. if 30 fans allowed then to give everyone 4mins he would have to be there for 2 hours, is this likely?

What happens if M&G is cancelled? refunds ?

Why no fan cameras?

How do fans get their M&G photos small print says they have to be downloaded?

What happens to packages that don't sell are they offered to corporate sector, sold on open market?????

Rosie

faolteam · 22 Mar 2005, 20:49

Just one thing did Turnstyle club management keep credit card details on file ??

kp3 · 22 Mar 2005, 22:01

Iam with Foalteam on this i logged on to the new site like i was told to, i was told i would get a free 6 months membership because i was a member that had got ripped of,but there are problems with the site other than the news section it will not let me onto the other section's i have emailed them seven times and no replies to any of them so what really is happening.People getting conned out of their money that is what is happening.
If the company that ran it before has not fulfilled their obligation and disappeared for what ever reason surely that is obtaining money by deception ?????.
All in all promises were made when the site first opened we all now what happened there and now it seems to be happening all over again.

kp3 · 22 Mar 2005, 22:03

sorry i spelt your name wrong Faolteam

Mike Piercy · 22 Mar 2005, 22:05

I've posed a number of these questions to signatures network. The replies I have had so far are as follows:

1. Signatures Network has no relation to Turnstyle, the past fan club management. They have no ability to make good on their offer. They suggest fans contact their credit card regarding Turnstyle, though it is probably too late. They have been tasked by Meat Loaf to correct on past problems and build a new fan club going forward. It is a step by step process, but they hope you can see they are making efforts to work and address concerns.

2. They gave me a history of Signatures Network... "we have been in business for 30 years. We manage or have managed the fan clubs and ticket programs for acts such as... U2, Motley Crue, KISS, Fleetwood Mac, Rod Stewart, Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Alice Cooper, John Mellencamp, Madonna, and others. We work very close with each artist and their management to build a fan club and ticket program with their approval and involvement. Signatures Network has been producing the official merchandise for 100's of acts for 30 years... everyone from Bruce Springsteen, The Beatles, Ozzy, KISS, and many many more. We have a long history and relationship with the artists."

3. They DO NOT automatically renew memberships. They will notify when a membership is about to expire, but it is your responsibility to renew if you wish to continue.

4. They DO NOT store anyone's credit card information.

5. For shows already put onsale they are not able to offer upgrades to the fan club packages. they apologise that they were late in offering the UK tickets, but the delay was a result of taking over and moving from the old fan club and the lack of cooperation.

Mike Piercy

kp3 · 22 Mar 2005, 22:11

I'd like an answer to question ,why don't they reply to the emails.

R. · 22 Mar 2005, 22:11

@Mike - that has already been posted.

I might remove one redundant post later on.

R. · 22 Mar 2005, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by kp3

I'd like an answer to question ,why don't they reply to the emails.

Karen, there's a very clear answer to your question about the website in the post Mike and I made.
Please take the time to actually read it!

kp3 · 22 Mar 2005, 22:16

I have read the post's thankyou but it does not say anything about why they dont reply to emails, OR do i need new glasses !!!!!!!!!!

Steve · 22 Mar 2005, 22:25

The bottom line is that one dishonest company has been supplanted by a profiteering one. We have lost money on empty promises and there is little that can be said or done to recover the money.

DON'T GET MAD, GET EVEN.

Complain to the California Bureau of Consumer Affairs! If MLUKFC members in the USA can act as sponsors, perhaps we can get a response out of them and perhaps prevent the pirates from starting up again.

I have to agree with faolteam's sentiments with regard to the takeover: same name implies continuation of responsibility - whether justified or not. Personally, I will not be renewing with the new, improved .net when they ask for my money. If the new regime means that I have to remain a foot-soldier in the army of meat then so be it: I will not have my loyalty tested by requests to buy 'favours' with exorbitant sums of money or by pitifully late incentives AFTER I have already shown my loyalty by buying inferior, generally-available tickets as soon as I could after release.

Thanks, .net, but no thanks.

R. · 22 Mar 2005, 22:25

I'm guessing because they are probably busy in building the website, which explains that there are no other sections than the news section.

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Signature Network

5. Being developed right now for MeatLoaf.net... webmail, message board, fan galleries, fan reviews, and more. You can take a look at sites such as ClubCherryBomb.net to get a feel of what will be offered.

Deb · 22 Mar 2005, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve

The bottom line is that one dishonest company has been supplanted by a profiteering one.

Have to agree with this one.

Also there anything that can be done for MLUKFC members that have already paid to join the new fanclub? I joined the day they started letting people join again, only to now her that I could of got 6 months free. Is there anyway of still getting this now i've already paid?

Deb

kp3 · 22 Mar 2005, 22:38

The section you pointed out does not say anything about responses to emails sent.So i guess i will not make an appointment at Specsavers, just because they are building a site does not mean they can't reply to emails, why have a contact section if you cant contact them but then again why have a ticket section if you cant get on it to buy tickets ??????but then again they are building the site so may be it is not ready yet.

kp3 · 22 Mar 2005, 22:41

@ steve have you complained to the bureau of consumer affairs and if so any chance of any more details

ROSIE · 22 Mar 2005, 22:42

I agree Debs I renewed just before .net took it over. The only thing .net has done is open up a one way cash machine and they won't tell us how long before the site is up and running, perhaps in 5 months 3 weeks and 6 days time.

Rosie

kp3 · 22 Mar 2005, 22:44

Sorry steve last message should of said @ Sultonfan guess i do need those glasses lol

R. · 22 Mar 2005, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by kp3

The section you pointed out does not say anything about responses to emails sent.So i guess i will not make an appointment at Specsavers, just because they are building a site does not mean they can't reply to emails, why have a contact section if you cant contact them but then again why have a ticket section if you cant get on it to buy tickets ??????but then again they are building the site so may be it is not ready yet.

Actually, the tickets section seems to work?
I can add tickets to my shopping cart and continue to check out area.

kp3 · 22 Mar 2005, 22:47

Oh i think i will have to go to bed keep getting every bodies name mixed up so here goes again has any one complain to the bureau of consumer affairs and if so any chance of more details
Sooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Deb · 22 Mar 2005, 22:47

No Karen I havent.

I joined since Net took over Rosie

If i'd of known they would let MLUKFC members have the same option as the old members I could of saved my money.

kp3 · 22 Mar 2005, 22:50

@ R thats my point i CAN'T get on the section for whatever reason and they don't reply to emails.

22 Mar 2005, 20:27	#103
faolteam Super Loafer Join Date: 28.05.2002 Posts: 244	We Didn't Recieve The Fan Clubs Promise Of What We Were Entitled To ??? Ok well let me simplify it for you as Network Signatures are taking over the Meat Loaf Club from Turnstyle, to me they are taking responsibilty for using the same fan club name they either change it slightly, But to use the same name is only asking for trouble, I am not going to sit here and argue with you as my time is precious, The fact is i was ripped off by this FAN CLUB NAME i recieved nothing from them and that's the bottom line. How many more people were ripped off by this club, let us know,

22 Mar 2005, 22:01	#108
kp3 Rookie Join Date: 28.11.2003 Location: some where over the rainbow Posts: 24	Conned Iam with Foalteam on this i logged on to the new site like i was told to, i was told i would get a free 6 months membership because i was a member that had got ripped of,but there are problems with the site other than the news section it will not let me onto the other section's i have emailed them seven times and no replies to any of them so what really is happening.People getting conned out of their money that is what is happening. If the company that ran it before has not fulfilled their obligation and disappeared for what ever reason surely that is obtaining money by deception ?????. All in all promises were made when the site first opened we all now what happened there and now it seems to be happening all over again.

22 Mar 2005, 22:11	#111
kp3 Rookie Join Date: 28.11.2003 Location: some where over the rainbow Posts: 24	Questions I'd like an answer to question ,why don't they reply to the emails.

22 Mar 2005, 22:42	#120
ROSIE Invisible again! Join Date: 30.06.2003 Location: Suffolk Posts: 1,240	I agree Debs I renewed just before .net took it over. The only thing .net has done is open up a one way cash machine and they won't tell us how long before the site is up and running, perhaps in 5 months 3 weeks and 6 days time. Rosie Last edited by ROSIE; 22 Mar 2005 at 22:43. Reason: bad spelling

22 Mar 2005, 17:47	#101
faolteam Super Loafer Join Date: 28.05.2002 Posts: 244	Once again i am not blaming Network Signatures for the problem i only stated did they realise what they were getting into here and obivously people are going to rally around them for an excuse i would be a bit appprehensive as to why there e-mail are coming back to me all the time

22 Mar 2005, 20:32	#104
faolteam Super Loafer Join Date: 28.05.2002 Posts: 244	To Quote An Even More Awesome Song : "i'd Lie For You And Thats The Truth" I Am All Reved Up And No Were To Go" Cause I'm Left In The Dark"

22 Mar 2005, 20:49	#106
ROSIE Invisible again! Join Date: 30.06.2003 Location: Suffolk Posts: 1,240	I have a few questions that .net have failed to answer. How long will it be before the new site is up and running as it has already eaten into the original 6 months free membership? As myself and others had more than 6 months left from the old fan club why can't this time be matched month for month> How long do fans who buy the Platinium package actually get with Meat i.e. if 30 fans allowed then to give everyone 4mins he would have to be there for 2 hours, is this likely? What happens if M&G is cancelled? refunds ? Why no fan cameras? How do fans get their M&G photos small print says they have to be downloaded? What happens to packages that don't sell are they offered to corporate sector, sold on open market????? Rosie

22 Mar 2005, 20:49	#107
faolteam Super Loafer Join Date: 28.05.2002 Posts: 244	Just one thing did Turnstyle club management keep credit card details on file ??

22 Mar 2005, 22:03	#109
kp3 Rookie Join Date: 28.11.2003 Location: some where over the rainbow Posts: 24	sorry i spelt your name wrong Faolteam

22 Mar 2005, 22:05	#110
Mike Piercy cat out of hell Join Date: 20.10.2003 Location: With the black cat where the rubber meets the road Posts: 618	I've posed a number of these questions to signatures network. The replies I have had so far are as follows: 1. Signatures Network has no relation to Turnstyle, the past fan club management. They have no ability to make good on their offer. They suggest fans contact their credit card regarding Turnstyle, though it is probably too late. They have been tasked by Meat Loaf to correct on past problems and build a new fan club going forward. It is a step by step process, but they hope you can see they are making efforts to work and address concerns. 2. They gave me a history of Signatures Network... "we have been in business for 30 years. We manage or have managed the fan clubs and ticket programs for acts such as... U2, Motley Crue, KISS, Fleetwood Mac, Rod Stewart, Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Alice Cooper, John Mellencamp, Madonna, and others. We work very close with each artist and their management to build a fan club and ticket program with their approval and involvement. Signatures Network has been producing the official merchandise for 100's of acts for 30 years... everyone from Bruce Springsteen, The Beatles, Ozzy, KISS, and many many more. We have a long history and relationship with the artists." 3. They DO NOT automatically renew memberships. They will notify when a membership is about to expire, but it is your responsibility to renew if you wish to continue. 4. They DO NOT store anyone's credit card information. 5. For shows already put onsale they are not able to offer upgrades to the fan club packages. they apologise that they were late in offering the UK tickets, but the delay was a result of taking over and moving from the old fan club and the lack of cooperation. Mike Piercy

22 Mar 2005, 22:11	#112
R. You dig. Join Date: 02.04.2002 Location: On the fothermucker Posts: 7,179	@Mike - that has already been posted. I might remove one redundant post later on.

22 Mar 2005, 22:16	#114
kp3 Rookie Join Date: 28.11.2003 Location: some where over the rainbow Posts: 24	I have read the post's thankyou but it does not say anything about why they dont reply to emails, OR do i need new glasses !!!!!!!!!!

22 Mar 2005, 22:25	#115
Steve Senior Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Staring through the fire at the future Posts: 157	The bottom line is that one dishonest company has been supplanted by a profiteering one. We have lost money on empty promises and there is little that can be said or done to recover the money. DON'T GET MAD, GET EVEN. Complain to the California Bureau of Consumer Affairs! If MLUKFC members in the USA can act as sponsors, perhaps we can get a response out of them and perhaps prevent the pirates from starting up again. I have to agree with faolteam's sentiments with regard to the takeover: same name implies continuation of responsibility - whether justified or not. Personally, I will not be renewing with the new, improved .net when they ask for my money. If the new regime means that I have to remain a foot-soldier in the army of meat then so be it: I will not have my loyalty tested by requests to buy 'favours' with exorbitant sums of money or by pitifully late incentives AFTER I have already shown my loyalty by buying inferior, generally-available tickets as soon as I could after release. Thanks, .net, but no thanks.

22 Mar 2005, 22:38	#118
kp3 Rookie Join Date: 28.11.2003 Location: some where over the rainbow Posts: 24	The section you pointed out does not say anything about responses to emails sent.So i guess i will not make an appointment at Specsavers, just because they are building a site does not mean they can't reply to emails, why have a contact section if you cant contact them but then again why have a ticket section if you cant get on it to buy tickets ??????but then again they are building the site so may be it is not ready yet.

22 Mar 2005, 22:41	#119
kp3 Rookie Join Date: 28.11.2003 Location: some where over the rainbow Posts: 24	@ steve have you complained to the bureau of consumer affairs and if so any chance of any more details

22 Mar 2005, 22:44	#121
kp3 Rookie Join Date: 28.11.2003 Location: some where over the rainbow Posts: 24	Sorry steve last message should of said @ Sultonfan guess i do need those glasses lol

22 Mar 2005, 22:47	#123
kp3 Rookie Join Date: 28.11.2003 Location: some where over the rainbow Posts: 24	Oh i think i will have to go to bed keep getting every bodies name mixed up so here goes again has any one complain to the bureau of consumer affairs and if so any chance of more details Sooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

22 Mar 2005, 22:47	#124
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	No Karen I havent. I joined since Net took over Rosie If i'd of known they would let MLUKFC members have the same option as the old members I could of saved my money.

22 Mar 2005, 22:50	#125
kp3 Rookie Join Date: 28.11.2003 Location: some where over the rainbow Posts: 24	@ R thats my point i CAN'T get on the section for whatever reason and they don't reply to emails.