Meat's 2015 plans?

[Guy]

Originally Posted by tonyloaf

here we go again

Are you talking about the above discussions or has your rash come back?

[renegadeangel]

Originally Posted by JennaG

The person who is posting that they disagree with something Meat Loaf has done usually says something along the lines of "this is a discussion board" and "I'm entitled to my opinion" to which the supporters of Meat Loaf will usually try to argue with much as I feel that Jim STEINMAN's fans are doing here.



I am well aware of what STEINMAN has contributed to Meat Loaf's career and I respect that but I do not think he should be used to demean other writers. I'm sorry if you find this hard to believe but to me, he is just another songwriter.

I had no idea that to be a Meat Loaf fan that I'd automatically have to be a STEINMAN one too???

Sorry but Steinman is not just another writer. He is the writer for Meat Loaf. Neither one of them has had the same impact working apart as they have had working together, with all due respect to Bonnie Tyler.
Meat has gone to Jim for every album for songs. If he was just another writer why bother so much.
Together they made a some great albums. Pretty clear that Meat would like to do that again.

[renegadeangel]

And on another note I am also happy to see James Michael back. I really like what he does with Sixx AM. Rick Brantley is another writer I like to see write for Meat. To me it looks like they`re putting together a killer team of writers.

[LucyK!]

This thread started quite positive and exciting..!

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by LucyK!

This thread started quite positive and exciting..!

Agreed. I think it'd be a good idea to split it - mods?

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Agreed. I think it'd be a good idea to split it - mods?

I disagree. I think people have expressed their views, and that another thread would only produce more of the same, and I'm not sure what end it would serve.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I disagree. I think people have expressed their views, and that another thread would only produce more of the same, and I'm not sure what end it would serve.

I didn't realise you were a mod

No I agree on that score Caryl, but I still think it should be split as this thread has gone severely off topic.

[tonyloaf]

Originally Posted by Guy

Are you talking about the above discussions or has your rash come back?

the rash of course

[AndyK]

We houldn't need to split the thread. Both Brave and Crazy's release and any show plans are part of Meat's 2015 plans.

What everyone needs to do is take a little step back from the keyboard and have a serious think as to whether they are contributing to the thread and the discussion in a positive way or are they contributing to the thread and discussion in a way the continues the self destructive and cyclic arguments we see on here time after time.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course, but when that opinion starts to spill over into personal attacks and trolling, either deliberate or otherwise then a line has been crossed.

You all know what it is you're doing that causes this endless cycle, please stop it.

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

If you like BOOH, AFL, FRYING PAN, OBJECTS, etc, then you like Steinman, more or less.

I've always thought of a fan as being more than someone that likes a few songs by a particular person but I guess that depends on how you look at it. I don't mind a few of Lady Gaga's songs but I wouldn't consider myself to be a fan of hers in any real way.

Originally Posted by renegadeangel

Meat has gone to Jim for every album for songs.

Considering the fact that Meat Loaf has released several albums without any involvement from Steinman, I find that statement hard to believe.

[lorenzoduke]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Ahem. Prize Fight Lover.

I thought 'Don't' was pretty stellar too.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by Evil One

As has been previously mentioned in this thread, there have been three 'Meat Loaf' albums in recent years: CHSIB, Hang Cool and Hand Basket. Those who like their Meat 'Steinman free' have been well satiated. Those who prefer their Meat with a big helping of Steinman have had to wait a lot longer.

When Hang Cool arrived on the scene, those who didn't like Meat's current direction were basically told (repeatedly) to either like the new sound, put up with it or ~~~~ off. Now Meat is doing some stuff with Steinman again, I suggest those who gave the above advice, heed their own words.

[renegadeangel]

Originally Posted by JennaG

I've always thought of a fan as being more than someone that likes a few songs by a particular person but I guess that depends on how you look at it. I don't mind a few of Lady Gaga's songs but I wouldn't consider myself to be a fan of hers in any real way.



Considering the fact that Meat Loaf has released several albums without any involvement from Steinman, I find that statement hard to believe.

Then unfortunately you don`t follow his interviews. That all started in 1984 with BAD ATTITUDE and carried on with most of his albums except HCTB and HIAHB.

[BostonAngel]

Originally Posted by renegadeangel

Sorry but Steinman is not just another writer. He is the writer for Meat Loaf. Neither one of them has had the same impact working apart as they have had working together, with all due respect to Bonnie Tyler. ..

It's YOUR OPINION that Steinman isn't just another writer. Some of us, myself included, do have the opinion that he's indeed just another songwriter; Granted a very successful 1. Meat's worked with many different songwriters over his career, so your statement that Steinman is THE WRITER for Meat is a falsehood. It is an OPINION that you hold. What you are now doing is making your opinion into fact. Being dimissive of others' views, yes they will understandably get defensive & even arguementitive. Then threads like this go to hell...in a handbasket. The impact of Meat's music would be the same for me even if he NEVER recorded another Steinman song after BOOH album. Have to give him credit for that since it got Meat's music to the masses.

[BostonAngel]

I am happy that Brave & Crazy is being released in 2015. 6 songs on it by Steinman - awesome; NO songs on it from Steinman - awesome. Something written by James Michael - awesome; NO James Michael involvement - awesome. Something written by an unknown - awesome. I looking forward to hearing the work of whoever Meat has chosen to write & how he inteprets that work. My wish for 2015 would be that he brings The Last At Bat show to The Beacon in NYC. Better yet, would love to see that happen in 2014

[stretch37]

6 songs from jim, awesome. 12 songs from jim, epic.

ps why does Jim being brought up evoke an argument every time...ahhhhh save me

[BostonAngel]

For MR. HAPPY: HOW DARE YOU SAY SOMEONE ELSE' OPINION IS WRONG. So yours is the only OPINION that matters & everyone must agree with you. That is so small-minded, arrogant, rude and dispectful. The whole purpose of a forum is for ALL to be able to express their ideas. If someone expresses an opinion different from yours you can agree to disagree. Calling someone elses opinion flat-out WRONG definately crosses the line. Yes mods feel free to edit, delete as recquired

[Mr. Happy]

Originally Posted by BostonAngel

For MR. HAPPY: HOW DARE YOU SAY SOMEONE ELSE' OPINION IS WRONG. So yours is the only OPINION that matters & everyone must agree with you. That is so small-minded, arrogant, rude and dispectful. The whole purpose of a forum is for ALL to be able to express their ideas. If someone expresses an opinion different from yours you can agree to disagree. Calling someone elses opinion flat-out WRONG definately crosses the line. Yes mods feel free to edit, delete as recquired

They didn't delete it, I did, apparently too late and apparently for good reason. What I deleted didn't warrant that response, though. I don't think you could have possibly blown my comment further out of proportion if you tried

You have the one and only Jim Steinman to thank for every song in the Meat Loaf songbook. He is the reason Meat had the opportunity to record every other song we all know and love on Midnight, BA, BBIS, WTTN and CHSIB. The only albums he really had no influence on were the last two. My exact words were "Fair enough if you prefer other writers, but you can't deny his influence over Meat's career."

And then I agreed with you about being psyched for other writers.

EDIT: My apologies if it came across as offensive, as it really wasn't intended to be. I deleted it because I felt it could come across that way (even if I felt it shouldn't), and it clearly did. If you want to continue this, we can take it to PM.

[rockfenris2005]

Just in general, guys, I noticed Meat said this yesterday on his FB page and I thought I'd post it here.

Meat Loaf Jim and I were meant to be together , Oh I would have most Likely had a hit or have maybe never done a record, just film and stage. Jim would have done very well with his Music working on Broadway and film. But I don't believe either one of us would be the same without each Other and Bat 1 or Bat 2. Jim and I are soul mates !!! Bottom line. It is a stupid argument. Who would be what without the other one. It didn't happen that way. We have both done great things with and without each other. Jim is is the SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME . I GOT INTO THE TEXAS FILM HALL OF FAME ... WHAT MORE COULD WE WANT . Except to be a better person tomorrow than we were today. I know I want to be have a better show than the night before everytime I go on stage I know Jim wants nothing more than to be a better writer tomorrow than he was today. It is or never was some kind of contest it was 2 people working very hard together !! ROCK ON !!! M

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by renegadeangel

Then unfortunately you don`t follow his interviews. That all started in 1984 with BAD ATTITUDE and carried on with most of his albums except HCTB and HIAHB.

I wasn't even born in 1984 so no, I haven't followed all the interviews for every album.

Based on what you have just said, you've just admitted that your earlier statement about Meat Loaf going to Steinman for songs on every album is incorrect.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by rockfenris2005

Just in general, guys, I noticed Meat said this yesterday on his FB page and I thought I'd post it here.

Well there it is, the horse's mouth so to speak.

[Tina.K.]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Well there it is, the horse's mouth so to speak. I think that signals end of discussion on that one

Yep, so now can we go back on topic again please which was the reason I started this thread?

Why would he choose for Poland or Russia or South America, when Imo most of his fans live in the UK and the westside of Europe. Or am I wrong about that?

[nikox1]

Amen.

[nikox1]

So it's almost certain a 2015 release then? So another year or more then before release, ( sad face ). At least it won't be rushed and I guess that extra bit of time given to it will only help. I posted this question before, what do people think the sound and feel of this album will be like? I Mean Jims songs are so distinctive like, so will the other songs fit into the sound, or have been written to fit that style. Like bat 3, steinman songs plus other writers. Now I know Jim didn't produce them, but it will be interesting.

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by Tina

Why would he choose for Poland or Russia or South America, when Imo most of his fans live in the UK and the westside of Europe. Or am I wrong about that?

Perhaps because the UK and Europe have had oodles of tours over the years and other countries haven't?