General rant about cig bans & tax issues. - Page 6

duke knooby · 29 May 2008, 19:56

just read on teletext... air quality in bars is 93% cleaner a year after the smoking ban was introduced according to new research. air particulates including nicotine were measured in more than 80 bars before and after the ban. there was a 72% reduction in the number of people who reported symptoms or side effects attributable to tobacco smoke.

duke knooby · 29 May 2008, 20:16

heres a link...

http://www1.u.tv/news/LocalNews/inde...&sel=1&local=1

djfierce · 29 May 2008, 20:29

Mick Loaf · 29 May 2008, 20:41

I thought they went too far with the ban, for goodness sake Mel Smith was doing a
show about Winston Churchill at last year's Edinburgh Festival and was warned that
the show would be shut down if he lit up his cigar on stage!

They could have found a middle way - I don't want smoke about when I'm eating but if
I'm the bar/snug pasrt of a pub where they don't serve food I'd like the choice.

PS I was smoking in a pub the other week, it was after hours and the barmaid put an
ashtray on the bar so we could smoke - it was awesome!! And remember we've had the ban up here for longer!

SamCat · 29 May 2008, 21:04

It is strange being allowed to smoke indoors in a public place now!! In Korea there was ashtrays all over the hotel room including the bathroom but i still rang down to reception to double check The only sign was one asking people not too smoke in bed!!

Sarge · 29 May 2008, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Loaf

I thought they went too far with the ban, for goodness sake Mel Smith was doing a
show about Winston Churchill at last year's Edinburgh Festival and was warned that
the show would be shut down if he lit up his cigar on stage!

Now the anti-smoking hysteria even makes people tamper with history.

They also erased Paul McCartney's cigarette from the cover of the Abbey Road LP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I am saying that pubs should have the right to be smoking or non smoking.
I am saying that after a long day's work, Joe Bloggs should be able to pop into the pub and enjoy a ciggie and a drink, which has been the simple pleasure of many of the working class since pubs, beer, working class people, and cigarettes were all invented.
[...]
The thing about a pub is that is a ADULT RECREATION AREA.

You're right, pubs are not meant to be health resorts.

I am not a "real" smoker, I only smoke occasionally but I miss having a small cigar along with a good Irish beer.

It depends on where you ban smoking. I am glad that no one is allowed to smoke in cafeterias anymore because it was really annoying to eat while the room was filled with smoke but pubs have always been places you frequent in order to sin - to drink and smoke.

Let's face it - people have the habit of doing things that are not healthy or "decent". It's alright as long as it does not exceed a certain level. It's the minor sins that make life interesting.

Who determines what's right and what's wrong?

I don't believe that bans make any sense - but mutual respect does.

Politicians are always looking for scapegoats - currently they have chosen smokers.

djfierce · 29 May 2008, 23:14

i consider something wrong if it affects other people, if it only affects you then thats you're choice and eventually your problem

Sarge · 30 May 2008, 02:07

I agree but I doubt that the current ban on smoking is based on philanthropy only.

Pudding · 30 May 2008, 02:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Loaf

They could have found a middle way

They did, they could stand outside the pub.

Most smokers stink and they get accustomed to their own stench, thinking that that is normal, which is probably why some look like they haven't had a wash in months, and they probably haven't. However, most non-smokers don't stink and they shouldn't have to go home with a stench of filth all over their clothes.

Pud

Battybarb · 30 May 2008, 10:18

A lot of my friends smoke and as i am a non smoker whenever they have visited my house they have always either gone out the front or in the garden for a ciggie,i have never asked them to they have just done it,long before the ban was ever thought of and they do thr same to other friends who are also non smokers..

~Helen~ · 30 May 2008, 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battybarb

A lot of my friends smoke and as i am a non smoker whenever they have visited my house they have always either gone out the front or in the garden for a ciggie,i have never asked them to they have just done it,long before the ban was ever thought of and they do thr same to other friends who are also non smokers..

Luckily I don't know many people who smoke now, however I remember when I was a lot younger, we had a neighbour who smoked and would sometimes pop 'round to chat with my mum. Even though both of my parents no longer smoked at this point, she would still always light up in the living room (as a matter of course) and I remember my mum used to keep an ashtray for when she visited, and then spend a fair while after she left trying to get rid of the smell. Nowadays that would be considered very inpolite & inconsiderate, but then (20 years or so ago) it seemed to be acceptable - I guess more people smoked and the health risks were perhaps less well known, but times do seem to have changed considerably on that.

I also had a great uncle who would smoke a pipe and throw lit matches into the gas fire

but we laugh about that!

djfierce · 30 May 2008, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

They did, they could stand outside the pub.

Most smokers stink and they get accustomed to their own stench, thinking that that is normal, which is probably why some look like they haven't had a wash in months, and they probably haven't. However, most non-smokers don't stink and they shouldn't have to go home with a stench of filth all over their clothes.

Pud

my mum smokes, and although she doesnt smoke in the house when casey stays with her, i have to re-wash all caseys clothes when she gets back even though my mum washes it all for me before i pick her up. I showed them to m this week and he couldnt smell what i meant, guess smokers really cant smell smoke on stuff.

Deb · 30 May 2008, 12:23

Yep same here Anji, when my kids go to the in laws their grandad smokes but apparently outside lol. Yet even if their clothes have been washed I wash everything again. Even brand new presents that have been sitting in their house have to be washed. Tiger came home last week as a belated pressie for Chloe, he went straight off to the washing machine lol.

djfierce · 30 May 2008, 14:47

i'm surprised your kids havent seen the inside of the washing machine too Deb

Pudding · 31 May 2008, 00:42

Another thing that pisses me off about smokers. When they do smoke outside, they take their last drag, put out the fag, then exhale when they're going back inside, so the place smells of smoke anyway

Pud

~Helen~ · 31 May 2008, 01:58

A wild guess would suggest you're not keen on smokers pud...

Pudding · 31 May 2008, 02:22

You get that impression??? LOL

Pud

samurai7 · 31 May 2008, 03:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

Another thing that pisses me off about smokers. When they do smoke outside, they take their last drag, put out the fag, then exhale when they're going back inside, so the place smells of smoke anyway

Pud

I do that. I'm glad you find it so annoying

**Monstro** · 31 May 2008, 03:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by samurai7

I do that. I'm glad you find it so annoying

PMSL

Battybarb · 31 May 2008, 12:43

Although the ban is for outside the pubs, some people are standing just outside the doors so the smoke is blowing inside, my brother in law has had so my rows with people over this and has even barred a couple, as the rule is that it has to be so many yards(i dont know how many)away from the entrance, but people dont seem to be taking notice of this.

**Monstro** · 31 May 2008, 12:47

I think it's five metres

Battybarb · 31 May 2008, 12:49

Think thats it...

geordieloaf · 31 May 2008, 12:53

The trouble is the over the top anti smokers, who think if there within 100 yards of a lit ciggie they will drop down dead there and then.
The ban is here non smokers be happy you got what you wanted, smokers just keep blowing that smoke in the little shelter's they provide for you, (normally right next to the door of the bar lol).

MeatGrl1 · 31 May 2008, 14:09

But in the meantime you still have to go outside sometimes when it's cold as ice to feed your craving... It makes no sense to me

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djfierce · 31 May 2008, 14:50

personally i see a big difference between sitting next to someone smoking in a restaurant and just passing by someone smoking, i think its getting a little picky to go on about them outside the door or smoking in the street, at least you have some fresh air to counteract it, i think the ban is fine as it is

View Poll Results: Should smoking be allowed in PUBS?
You should be allowed to light up an any pub.	0	0%
Pubs should have the right to decide wether to be S or NS .	4	18.18%
Pubs should be allowed to have S and NS rooms/areas.	5	22.73%
No smoking in any pubs.The ban is fine the way it is thank you very much.	13	59.09%
I'm bored.Do I look like I care one way or the other?	0	0%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

29 May 2008, 19:56	#126
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,883	just read on teletext... air quality in bars is 93% cleaner a year after the smoking ban was introduced according to new research. air particulates including nicotine were measured in more than 80 bars before and after the ban. there was a 72% reduction in the number of people who reported symptoms or side effects attributable to tobacco smoke.

29 May 2008, 20:16	#127
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,883	heres a link... http://www1.u.tv/news/LocalNews/inde...&sel=1&local=1

29 May 2008, 20:29	#128
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596

29 May 2008, 20:41	#129
Mick Loaf Thread Killer Join Date: 10.11.2005 Location: Livingston Posts: 1,140	I thought they went too far with the ban, for goodness sake Mel Smith was doing a show about Winston Churchill at last year's Edinburgh Festival and was warned that the show would be shut down if he lit up his cigar on stage! They could have found a middle way - I don't want smoke about when I'm eating but if I'm the bar/snug pasrt of a pub where they don't serve food I'd like the choice. PS I was smoking in a pub the other week, it was after hours and the barmaid put an ashtray on the bar so we could smoke - it was awesome!! And remember we've had the ban up here for longer!

29 May 2008, 21:04	#130
SamCat Hello Harry!!!! Join Date: 12.09.2006 Location: London Posts: 3,086	It is strange being allowed to smoke indoors in a public place now!! In Korea there was ashtrays all over the hotel room including the bathroom but i still rang down to reception to double check The only sign was one asking people not too smoke in bed!!

29 May 2008, 23:14	#132
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	i consider something wrong if it affects other people, if it only affects you then thats you're choice and eventually your problem

30 May 2008, 02:07	#133
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	I agree but I doubt that the current ban on smoking is based on philanthropy only.

30 May 2008, 10:18	#135
Battybarb Nutty Tart From Hell Join Date: 25.05.2007 Location: liverpool Posts: 8,390	A lot of my friends smoke and as i am a non smoker whenever they have visited my house they have always either gone out the front or in the garden for a ciggie,i have never asked them to they have just done it,long before the ban was ever thought of and they do thr same to other friends who are also non smokers..

30 May 2008, 12:23	#138
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Yep same here Anji, when my kids go to the in laws their grandad smokes but apparently outside lol. Yet even if their clothes have been washed I wash everything again. Even brand new presents that have been sitting in their house have to be washed. Tiger came home last week as a belated pressie for Chloe, he went straight off to the washing machine lol.

30 May 2008, 14:47	#139
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	i'm surprised your kids havent seen the inside of the washing machine too Deb

31 May 2008, 00:42	#140
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Another thing that pisses me off about smokers. When they do smoke outside, they take their last drag, put out the fag, then exhale when they're going back inside, so the place smells of smoke anyway Pud

31 May 2008, 01:58	#141
~Helen~ Mega Loafer Join Date: 01.11.2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,958	A wild guess would suggest you're not keen on smokers pud...

31 May 2008, 02:22	#142
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	You get that impression??? LOL Pud

31 May 2008, 12:43	#145
Battybarb Nutty Tart From Hell Join Date: 25.05.2007 Location: liverpool Posts: 8,390	Although the ban is for outside the pubs, some people are standing just outside the doors so the smoke is blowing inside, my brother in law has had so my rows with people over this and has even barred a couple, as the rule is that it has to be so many yards(i dont know how many)away from the entrance, but people dont seem to be taking notice of this.

31 May 2008, 12:47	#146
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,946	I think it's five metres

31 May 2008, 12:49	#147
Battybarb Nutty Tart From Hell Join Date: 25.05.2007 Location: liverpool Posts: 8,390	Think thats it...

31 May 2008, 12:53	#148
geordieloaf Can't You See My Faded Geordie Jeans Bursting Apart Join Date: 25.10.2006 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,360	The trouble is the over the top anti smokers, who think if there within 100 yards of a lit ciggie they will drop down dead there and then. The ban is here non smokers be happy you got what you wanted, smokers just keep blowing that smoke in the little shelter's they provide for you, (normally right next to the door of the bar lol).

31 May 2008, 14:09	#149
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	But in the meantime you still have to go outside sometimes when it's cold as ice to feed your craving... It makes no sense to me !

31 May 2008, 14:50	#150
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	personally i see a big difference between sitting next to someone smoking in a restaurant and just passing by someone smoking, i think its getting a little picky to go on about them outside the door or smoking in the street, at least you have some fresh air to counteract it, i think the ban is fine as it is