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[LucyK!]

I don't smoke so can't include tobacco as veg, and I don't drink beer so I can't count hops either...what about if I make sre I add lemon every time I have a gin and tonic?!

It's chocolate that's concerning me, but as I said to Andy, they're never stop me eating it - I'll fight them on the beaches!!!!!

[samurai7]

Originally Posted by mszee

Actually...no...for all the taxes we pay we have NOTHING to show for it...at least you guys get socialized health care and decent pension...where our health system is way out of control now and we're running out of money for pension....

And by the way...with us...cigs and fuel is true...but for some reason booze is ok...Cigarettes kill...and fuel pollutes...but apparently booze is harmless...

Yes, but work out how much more the cigs and fuel are over here. That's what I meant.
And by the time I get to retirement age, there'll be no money left in the pot for my generation. That's why it's imperitive that people of my age sort themselves out a private pension scheme. We do have the NHS, though, which despite its flaws is a God-send.

[mszee]

Originally Posted by knooby

stop talking about food please

Which post you considered food post - coleslaw one or fags/beer ones?

[mszee]

Originally Posted by Lucy!

I don't smoke so can't include tobacco as veg, and I don't drink beer so I can't count hops either...what about if I make sre I add lemon every time I have a gin and tonic?!

It's chocolate that's concerning me, but as I said to Andy, they're never stop me eating it - I'll fight them on the beaches!!!!!

Chocolate was found to be VERY VERY healthy...and this is not a joke...check some latest research....

[samurai7]

wait, isn't chocolate derived from the cocoa tree? If that ain't vegetation, I dunno what is!

(I should have been a lawyer, lol!)

[mszee]

Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

Yes, but work out how much more the cigs and fuel are over here. That's what I meant.
And by the time I get to retirement age, there'll be no money left in the pot for my generation. That's why it's imperitive that people of my age sort themselves out a private pension scheme. We do have the NHS, though, which despite its flaws is a God-send.

Cigs I might agree with you...healthy fecking nation here...fuel - never...we have more SUV's than I've ever even seen in England on one highway...

I don't know what NHS is...

By the way...had a guest from over there and left him apparently permanently hungry...our health conscious eating habits would have probably killed your lot within a month or so...not that I love it either...

[LucyK!]

Yeah there's meant to be something healthy in dark chocolate isn't there?

Still not sure we'll be able to justify the amount we eat though

[LucyK!]

Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

wait, isn't chocolate derived from the cocoa tree? If that ain't vegetation, I dunno what is!

(I should have been a lawyer, lol!)

I always liked you, Sean...

[AndyK]

Originally Posted by Lucy!

Yeah there's meant to be something healthy in dark chocolate isn't there?

Still not sure we'll be able to justify the amount we eat though

Who said we had to jusitfy it??????

[mszee]

http://www.clevelandclinic.org/heart.../chocolate.htm

[duke knooby]

i dont think ive seen as sensible a conversation on this site for along long long time

[mszee]

Having said all of the above about American's "healthy eating habits"...I did enjoy my food in England...in a space of 5 days I've gained over 10 pounds which I can't seem to be able to shed now...but hey...I did enjoy it while it lasted...

[samurai7]

Originally Posted by mszee

Cigs I might agree with you...healthy fecking nation here...fuel - never...we have more SUV's than I've ever even seen in England on one highway...

I don't know what NHS is...

By the way...had a guest from over there and left him apparently permanently hungry...our health conscious eating habits would have probably killed your lot within a month or so...not that I love it either...

you've misinterpreted me again. Yes, the US uses more fuel, but our fuel COSTS MORE. As in HIGHER PRICE. it's currently just under £5 a gallon, whereas in the States it's $2.90 or thereabouts. At the current exchange rate, this means that we pay almost THREE TIMES AS MUCH per gallon than you do. Now do you see what I mean? This is why we can't all afford the gas-guzzling SUV's that you guys love. It's not economically viable for anyone who's not in the higher wage brackets.

by the way, the NHS is the National Health Service.

(and PS - I don't live in England)

[mszee]

Originally Posted by knooby

i dont think ive seen as sensible a conversation on this site for along long long time

You think this is sensible?

[duke knooby]

is that mark alexander online??

[mszee]

Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

you've misinterpreted me again. Yes, the US uses more fule, but our fule COSTS MORE. As in HIGHER PRICE. it's currently just under £5 a gallon, whereas in the States it's $2.90 or thereabouts. At the current exchange rate, this means that we pay almost THREE TIMES AS MUCH per gallon than you do. Now do you see what I mean? This is why we can't all afford the gas-guzzling SUV's that you guys love. It's not economically viable for anyone who's not in the higher wage brackets.

by the way, the NHS is the National Health Service.

The fuel here now, unfortunately, is close to $4.- per gallon...

And with all this...there are STILL more SUV's on the road...weird...I drive Prius...so...on the other hand...I nearly drowned in flooding resulted from heavy rains yesterday with my Prius ...and while I was driving my economical car...I was chanting...

Next time...SUV...next time...SUV...

If you live in NY...you can get away without car...anywhere else in the States...you can't survive...the public transportation system is not developed anywhere but in NYC...so...there is no choice...even if you have to drive a jalopy...you still have to drive...

Thanks for explanation NHS...learning something every day...

[samurai7]

Originally Posted by mszee

And with all this...there are STILL more SUV's on the road...weird...I drive Prius...so...on the other hand...I nearly drowned in flooding resulted from heavy rains yesterday with my Prius ...and while I was driving my economical car...I was chanting...

Next time...SUV...next time...SUV...

If you live in NY...you can get away without car...anywhere else in the States...you can't survive...the public transportation system is not developed anywhere but in NYC...so...there is no choice...even if you have to drive a jalopy...you still have to drive...

Thanks for explanation NHS...learning something every day...

$4 is still only about £2. And as far as your Prius is concerned - it's not as green as you'd think. You'd be far better off with a small turbo-diesel such as the VW Lupo that will do 75+ to the gallon. The US never seemed to get the grasp that diesel is more economical than petrol, and the Prius is an example of a car that even though its intentions are honest, is very expensive and not nearly as economical as it's made out to be. the first generation could manage 51 to the gallon. Most modern deisels do 60+

[mszee]

Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

$4 is still only about £2. And as far as your Prius is concerned - it's not as green as you'd think. You'd be far better off with a small turbo-diesel such as the VW Lupo that will do 75+ to the gallon. The US never seemed to get the grasp that diesel is more economical than petrol, and the Prius is an example of a car that even though its intentions are honest, is very expensive and not nearly as economical as it's made out to be. the first generation could manage 51 to the gallon. Most modern deisels do 60+

Although price wise it's true...you have to compare apples to apples...i.e. cost of living and salaries...

Our rent/mortgage takes about 3 weeks of our monthly salary...and about one week for EVERYTHING else...nothing is easy...

We don't have VW Lupo and I don't think I've ever even seen it...our VW are VERY expensive...where as Prius...not so much...

And try to find diesel station here...good luck!!! The only car running on diesel here as far as I know is some old Mercedes models...otherwise...we just don't have those...

Hell...our President has interest in oil...do you think we will be running electric cars soon???

[samurai7]

Originally Posted by mszee

Although price wise it's true...you have to compare apples to apples...i.e. cost of living and salaries...

Our rent/mortgage takes about 3 weeks of our monthly salary...and about one week for EVERYTHING else...nothing is easy...

We don't have VW Lupo and I don't think I've ever even seen it...our VW are VERY expensive...where as Prius...not so much...

And try to find diesel station here...good luck!!! The only car running on diesel here as far as I know is some old Mercedes models...otherwise...we just don't have those...

Hell...our President has interest in oil...do you think we will be running electric cars soon???

Lupo was just an example, there are other small cars that are very economical. Every mass-manufacturer will have a diesel version of its most popular cars. Current Ford diesel engines are excellent. But the reason the Diesel isn't widely available is the same as I stated before. In a country where oil is cheap (and despite your protests, it is) then there's no call for it. Diesels now make up a huge proportion of car sales in the UK. This is because for the same cost as petrol (or thereabouts) you get far more miles to the gallon. It doesn't take Einstein to work out that in the long run you're 'quids-in', as we Brits might or might not say :)

It is very difficult to persuade a country that is used to huge V8's that give tiny horsepower, and even less fuel efficiency, that small cars are the way forward. The Prius was the first step in the right direction, so hopefully the tide is turning.

[duke knooby]

baab sucks

[mszee]

Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

Lupo was just an example, there are other small cars that are very economical. Every mass-manufacturer will have a diesel version of its most popular cars. Current Ford diesel engines are excellent. But the reason the Diesel isn't widely available is the same as I stated before. In a country where oil is cheap (and despite your protests, it is) then there's no call for it. Diesels now make up a huge proportion of car sales in the UK. This is because for the same cost as petrol (or thereabouts) you get far more miles to the gallon. It doesn't take Einstein to work out that in the long run you're 'quids-in', as we Brits might or might not say :)

It is very difficult to persuade a country that is used to huge V8's that give tiny horsepower, and even less fuel efficiency, that small cars are the way forward. The Prius was the first step in the right direction, so hopefully the tide is turning.

I honestly don't know much about cars to have an intelligent conversation with...I am a woman after all...

However driving through the fecking rivers here yesterday...I was praying for deliverance and seriously thinking with longing about SUVs...it's not even about efficiency...we get floods and snow storms all the time...and in America...business is business...most businesses stay open in bad weather...and as before I wouldn't have EVER considered SUV...having this car only for a year now...I am seriously thinking about my safety in the future...

[firefly]

Another one post Sean and you have hit the 1000!!!

[samurai7]

My 1000th post!

(I have far too much time on my hands )

[firefly]

Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

My 1000th post!

(I have far too much time on my hands )

Congrat's Sean.... About time too

[mszee]

Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

My 1000th post!

(I have far too much time on my hands )

Congrats!