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duke knooby · 16 Jul 2007, 02:14

back to work in a few hours, shame

duke knooby · 16 Jul 2007, 02:15

may have found the next car... after a small 9 month search

**Monstro** · 16 Jul 2007, 10:47

Hell of a storm here last night. Didn't last for that long but I've never seen rain like it with hailstones the size of 5p pieces. The thunder and lightning was impressive and some of it struck just a tad too close for comfort. This tree used to dwarf my 4 story building and missed by 8'!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hypnobabe · 16 Jul 2007, 11:29

Thank you x (I think... lol...)

mszee · 16 Jul 2007, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by knooby

not even a lettuce??? which isn't the iceberg i meant

Well...iceberg lettuce will have somewhat different temperature...but iceberg and ice cube...probably the same although I am not willing to do the taste test...

**RadioMaster** · 16 Jul 2007, 15:48

i need a credit card

mszee · 16 Jul 2007, 15:49

I need a credit card where bill goes and gets paid elsewhere...

*AndyK* · 16 Jul 2007, 15:50

Going back to the question raised about what's colder, an ice cube or an ice berg ...

It all depends. If the ice berg is pure water, then it's the same at the point of freezing zero degrees centigrade.

However. If the ice berg is made up of frozen sea water, which has an average salinity of 35 parts per thousand of salt, then at the point of freezing the iceberg is colder, since averagely saline sea water freezes at -2 degrees centigrade.

Of course the other issue is what tenperature each is stored at ... if the icecube is in a freezer which is at -10 degrees centigrade and the iceberg is at zero, then the ice cube is colder! Basically there are too many unknowns in the original question.

Tomorrow's science lesson will involve jumping on a moving train or light speed ...

mszee · 16 Jul 2007, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyK

Going back to the question raised about what's colder, an ice cube or an ice berg ...

It all depends. If the ice berg is pure water, then it's the same at the point of freezing zero degrees centigrade.

However. If the ice berg is made up of frozen sea water, which has an average salinity of 35 parts per thousand of salt, then at the point of freezing the iceberg is colder, since averagely saline sea water freezes at -2 degrees centigrade.

Of course the other issue is what tenperature each is stored at ... if the icecube is in a freezer which is at -10 degrees centigrade and the iceberg is at zero, then the ice cube is colder! Basically there are too many unknowns in the original question.

Tomorrow's science lesson will involve jumping on a moving train or light speed ...

:Stunned:

**RadioMaster** · 16 Jul 2007, 15:52

ATTENTION
*play on words*

I need a credit card where the bill gets paid by bill gates!!

LucyK! · 16 Jul 2007, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyK

Tomorrow's science lesson will involve jumping on a moving train or light speed ...

No, no, no. Absolutely not. It's actually making me angry now that I can't get my head around it!

My thoughts - what to wear tonight?!

**RadioMaster** · 16 Jul 2007, 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyK

Going back to the question raised about what's colder, an ice cube or an ice berg ...

It all depends. If the ice berg is pure water, then it's the same at the point of freezing zero degrees centigrade.

However. If the ice berg is made up of frozen sea water, which has an average salinity of 35 parts per thousand of salt, then at the point of freezing the iceberg is colder, since averagely saline sea water freezes at -2 degrees centigrade.

Of course the other issue is what tenperature each is stored at ... if the icecube is in a freezer which is at -10 degrees centigrade and the iceberg is at zero, then the ice cube is colder! Basically there are too many unknowns in the original question.

Tomorrow's science lesson will involve jumping on a moving train or light speed ...

BUT, an iceberg always consists of pure water, no salt.
- otherwise it wouldnt swim
- if it has been part of arctica/antarctica, it was fallen snow in the first place and that's pure water anyway
- it it froze in the ocean, the salt doesnt get frozen WITH the water, just the water freezes, the salt, erm.....sinnks.

**Monstro** · 16 Jul 2007, 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

BUT, an iceberg always consists of pure water, no salt.

Sorry RJ, no it doesn't

Ageing Bat · 16 Jul 2007, 16:24

I think the antarctic icebergs have got some ozone in them...... isn't that where the holes first started appearing? The holes that apparently have now healed themselves...... probably with a carbon footprint.

**RadioMaster** · 16 Jul 2007, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstro

Sorry RJ, no it doesn't

sure? always thought so...

mszee · 16 Jul 2007, 16:36

This is pretty weird discussion for a Meat Loaf forum...shouldn't we be all artsy fartsy and above it all???

*AndyK* · 16 Jul 2007, 16:40

Depends on where the iceberg was formed ... if it's come from a glacier then the chances are it's predominantely made from "fresh" water. If it comes from an ice shelf then it's a mixture of fresh and sea water. Even a glacial iceberg will contain some frozen saline water though.

mszee · 16 Jul 2007, 16:43

Andy, did you see that Meat played Stone Pony???

*AndyK* · 16 Jul 2007, 16:48

I've known that for about 19 years Zina

mszee · 16 Jul 2007, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyK

I've known that for about 19 years Zina

Well, how was I supposed to know THAT?

I wasn't even born 19 years ago!

*AndyK* · 16 Jul 2007, 16:58

I always said you were the result of a laboratory experiment

mszee · 16 Jul 2007, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyK

I always said you were the result of a laboratory experiment

No, according to my late mom, I am an alien...

In any event...better question is...how did YOU know THAT when you were 2 years old???

Andy...you're such....ummm...hmmm...the best moderator...

**RadioMaster** · 16 Jul 2007, 17:02

back on topic

I think that saline water loses all it's salt at the freezing process. At least that's what I read somewhere years ago.

I'm quite confused now

mszee · 16 Jul 2007, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

back on topic

I think that saline water loses all it's salt at the freezing process. At least that's what I read somewhere years ago.

I'm quite confused now

Which means...GET OFF THIS TOPIC ALREADY!!!

Us simple humans and aliens got our minds boggled with this...

*AndyK* · 16 Jul 2007, 17:09

As sea water reaches freezing point, the salt in the solution is "rejected", hoewever this results in denser "fresh" water being created. This denser water sinks through the warmer salt water below it, with more salt water therefore being present at the surface of the sea. As a result when the solid ice is formed it is a mixture of fresh water and sea water ... ie a less saline solution, but not all of the salt if "rejected" throught the ice formation process.

16 Jul 2007, 02:14	#15726
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,882	back to work in a few hours, shame

16 Jul 2007, 02:15	#15727
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,882	may have found the next car... after a small 9 month search

16 Jul 2007, 10:47	#15728
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,946	Hell of a storm here last night. Didn't last for that long but I've never seen rain like it with hailstones the size of 5p pieces. The thunder and lightning was impressive and some of it struck just a tad too close for comfort. This tree used to dwarf my 4 story building and missed by 8'!!!!!!!!!!!!!

16 Jul 2007, 11:29	#15729
Hypnobabe mszee's Mistress with sexy goddess boots Join Date: 13.07.2005 Location: Hitting the highway like a battering ram... Posts: 7,686	Thank you x (I think... lol...)

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RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	i need a credit card

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mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I need a credit card where bill goes and gets paid elsewhere...

16 Jul 2007, 15:50	#15733
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Going back to the question raised about what's colder, an ice cube or an ice berg ... It all depends. If the ice berg is pure water, then it's the same at the point of freezing zero degrees centigrade. However. If the ice berg is made up of frozen sea water, which has an average salinity of 35 parts per thousand of salt, then at the point of freezing the iceberg is colder, since averagely saline sea water freezes at -2 degrees centigrade. Of course the other issue is what tenperature each is stored at ... if the icecube is in a freezer which is at -10 degrees centigrade and the iceberg is at zero, then the ice cube is colder! Basically there are too many unknowns in the original question. Tomorrow's science lesson will involve jumping on a moving train or light speed ...

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RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	ATTENTION play on words I need a credit card where the bill gets paid by bill gates!!

16 Jul 2007, 16:24	#15739
Ageing Bat Young at heart. Slightly older in other places. Join Date: 20.11.2003 Location: Here! Posts: 1,311	I think the antarctic icebergs have got some ozone in them...... isn't that where the holes first started appearing? The holes that apparently have now healed themselves...... probably with a carbon footprint.

16 Jul 2007, 16:36	#15741
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	This is pretty weird discussion for a Meat Loaf forum...shouldn't we be all artsy fartsy and above it all???

16 Jul 2007, 16:40	#15742
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Depends on where the iceberg was formed ... if it's come from a glacier then the chances are it's predominantely made from "fresh" water. If it comes from an ice shelf then it's a mixture of fresh and sea water. Even a glacial iceberg will contain some frozen saline water though.

16 Jul 2007, 16:43	#15743
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Andy, did you see that Meat played Stone Pony???

16 Jul 2007, 16:48	#15744
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	I've known that for about 19 years Zina

16 Jul 2007, 16:58	#15746
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	I always said you were the result of a laboratory experiment

16 Jul 2007, 17:02	#15748
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	back on topic I think that saline water loses all it's salt at the freezing process. At least that's what I read somewhere years ago. I'm quite confused now

16 Jul 2007, 17:09	#15750
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	As sea water reaches freezing point, the salt in the solution is "rejected", hoewever this results in denser "fresh" water being created. This denser water sinks through the warmer salt water below it, with more salt water therefore being present at the surface of the sea. As a result when the solid ice is formed it is a mixture of fresh water and sea water ... ie a less saline solution, but not all of the salt if "rejected" throught the ice formation process.