Jim's demos...

Evil One · 07 Apr 2011, 23:54

Courtesy of Bellminer at the other place.

For Crying Out Loud:

YouTube Video

Heaven Can Wait:

YouTube Video

The vocalist for FCOL is currently unknown, but it is Jim on HCW. There's other stuff out there if you look for it.

Wario · 07 Apr 2011, 23:57

woah. Hopefully Soon the famed BOOH demo will surface and took the words.

FCOL Sounds a bit like Future!

Gotta say not a fan of that HCW version to be brutially honest lol.

but amazing finds.

duke knooby · 08 Apr 2011, 00:43

i can't believe how country the early stuff sounds

AndrewG · 08 Apr 2011, 04:34

Cowboy out of Hell. Don't you ever, ever stop ..... line-dancing partner!

This kind of confirms there was never no 27 minute version of Paradise. His songs were ultimately much more modest in arrangement and short before Bat was put together I reckon.

Wario · 08 Apr 2011, 04:52

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Cowboy out of Hell. Don't you ever, ever stop ..... line-dancing partner!

This kind of confirms there was never no 27 minute version of Paradise. His songs were ultimately much more modest in arrangement and short before Bat was put together I reckon.

ehhhh not quite. this is only the ballads. Revved up was pretty lengthy too by all accounts. until we hear the demos for revved up and paradise I cant even say its "kinda" confirmed

Bat3rocks · 08 Apr 2011, 06:48

The vocalist on For Crying OUt Loud kind of sounds like Kevin Cronin the leader singer from REO Speedwagon

Julie in the rv mirror · 08 Apr 2011, 08:04

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Originally Posted by duke knooby

i can't believe how country the early stuff sounds

Yeah, somewhat. Didn't Jim say someplace that he liked/ was influenced by Country? I know for sure he said that about Two Out of Three.

I kinda like these versions, FCOL more so than HCW, although I think both songs were much better as they ended up on Bat. And the intro (in FCOL) does sound very much like Future, although I've noticed a touch of "Future" in that intro on a couple of the early live versions, too.

Nice finds.

AndrewG · 08 Apr 2011, 10:00

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

ehhhh not quite. this is only the ballads. Revved up was pretty lengthy too by all accounts. until we hear the demos for revved up and paradise I cant even say its "kinda" confirmed

Of course, you're absolutely correct. We'll have some country line dancing songs on one side of the album and Meat Loaf rock songs on the other side. It will work perfectly.

How FCOL ended up sounding isn't exactly "just a standard" ballad. It became a signature Steinman track with a sound that obviously wasn't there originally to begin with. This isn't just because of the absence of the orchestra. The whole pacing and singing of it definitely has a more Nashville approach than a classic Meat Loaf/Steinman one. In my opinion all this stuff reaffirms that Bat needed both Meat AND Jim to work. Meat isn't some form of X Factor vocalist stand in with Jim always having the sound and songs ready with or without it. I just don't believe it nor do I believe in crazy 27 minute Paradises nor that Paradise even would have existed without Meat.

renegadeangel · 08 Apr 2011, 11:51

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Of course, you're absolutely correct. We'll have some country line dancing songs on one side of the album and Meat Loaf rock songs on the other side. It will work perfectly.

How FCOL ended up sounding isn't exactly "just a standard" ballad. It became a signature Steinman track with a sound that obviously wasn't there originally to begin with. This isn't just because of the absence of the orchestra. The whole pacing and singing of it definitely has a more Nashville approach than a classic Meat Loaf/Steinman one. In my opinion all this stuff reaffirms that Bat needed both Meat AND Jim to work. Meat isn't some form of X Factor vocalist stand in with Jim always having the sound and songs ready with or without it. I just don't believe it nor do I believe in crazy 27 minute Paradises nor that Paradise even would have existed without Meat.

I think Meat once said that the sound for BAT was found by himself, Todd Rundgren and Jim. However, I think that Jim was more influenced by Meat the actor as he's been quoted as saying he writes his songs with a vision of how they would be presented. Maybe after touring with Meat on National Lampoons and seeing him on stage, that helped to formulate the sound as well.

GDW · 08 Apr 2011, 15:51

Whatever happened to the Country and Western Album Jim was going to make with Bonnie Tyler?

**allrevvedup** · 08 Apr 2011, 16:03

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Originally Posted by GDW

Whatever happened to the Country and Western Album Jim was going to make with Bonnie Tyler?

and Shania Twain and many other country artists, although i seem to remember reading that the plan was to cover steinman's songs in country form.

*AndyK* · 08 Apr 2011, 17:50

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup

and Shania Twain and many other country artists, although i seem to remember reading that the plan was to cover steinman's songs in country form.

It was Bat Out Of Hell they were going to re-record country-style wasn't it?

**allrevvedup** · 08 Apr 2011, 17:54

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Originally Posted by AndyK

It was Bat Out Of Hell they were going to re-record country-style wasn't it?

yeah that sounds about right...shania twain doing bat out of hell would've been interesting to say the least. She did a reasonable job of you shook me all night long by ac/dc whereas Celine Dion (as strong a voice as she has) just got it totally wrong.

duke knooby · 08 Apr 2011, 20:15

bat out of nashville i believe was the rumoured title

A Slice Of English · 08 Apr 2011, 20:31

Ugh... Just no...

These do nothing for me at all. Thank the sweet Lord above that Jim, Meat, Todd & Co all got together to turn these into the epic record the world has come to love.

Wario · 08 Apr 2011, 20:39

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Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

These do nothing for me at all. Thank the sweet Lord above that Jim, Meat, Todd & Co all got together to turn these into the epic record the world has come to love.

exactly. except maybe Rolling stone magazine XD

PanicLord · 08 Apr 2011, 23:17

I like em a lot, especially FCOL. Makes me think that Bat Out Of Nashville would be an excellent idea, and why stop there?

Imagine Dead Ringer For Love by Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers

Wario · 09 Apr 2011, 00:14

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Originally Posted by PanicLord

I like em a lot, especially FCOL. Makes me think that Bat Out Of Nashville would be an excellent idea, and why stop there?

Imagine Dead Ringer For Love by Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers

or Rock & Roll Mercenaries by Montgomery Gentry

Evil One · 09 Apr 2011, 00:15

renegadeangel · 13 Apr 2011, 11:55

The demos are nice and I think after listening to MLOONAA that Jim blew it by giving it to Air Supply. Imagine Meat doing that song in 1983.
It really is too bad that Jim appears to not to have been a prolific writer at any time. And it also goes to show why he ended up with Meat for BAT. I don't care what excuse Jim gives, his singing really doesn't bring any life to the songs and the other singers are poor substitutes for Meat.

Wario · 13 Apr 2011, 11:59

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Originally Posted by renegadeangel

The demos are nice and I think after listening to MLOONAA that Jim blew it by giving it to Air Supply. Imagine Meat doing that song in 1983.
It really is too bad that Jim appears to not to have been a prolific writer at any time. And it also goes to show why he ended up with Meat for BAT. I don't care what excuse Jim gives, his singing really doesn't bring any life to the songs and the other singers are poor substitutes for Meat.

agreed.

Steingirl · 15 Apr 2011, 20:37

I enjoyed hearing these, but it also makes me appreciate what Meat has done with these songs, even more than I already did.

loaferman61 · 15 Apr 2011, 22:56

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

or Rock & Roll Mercenaries by Montgomery Gentry

And "Man of Steel" by Randy Travis.

RSG · 15 Apr 2011, 23:22

or "Man of Steel", by Pearl.

nikox1 · 16 Apr 2011, 00:48

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Originally Posted by renegadeangel

The demos are nice and I think after listening to MLOONAA that Jim blew it by giving it to Air Supply. Imagine Meat doing that song in 1983.
It really is too bad that Jim appears to not to have been a prolific writer at any time. And it also goes to show why he ended up with Meat for BAT. I don't care what excuse Jim gives, his singing really doesn't bring any life to the songs and the other singers are poor substitutes for Meat.

well said, i have to say that Meats voice brings Jims songs to another level

07 Apr 2011, 23:57	#2
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	woah. Hopefully Soon the famed BOOH demo will surface and took the words. FCOL Sounds a bit like Future! Gotta say not a fan of that HCW version to be brutially honest lol. but amazing finds.

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duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,882	i can't believe how country the early stuff sounds

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AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Cowboy out of Hell. Don't you ever, ever stop ..... line-dancing partner! This kind of confirms there was never no 27 minute version of Paradise. His songs were ultimately much more modest in arrangement and short before Bat was put together I reckon.

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Bat3rocks Junior Loafer Join Date: 05.12.2009 Posts: 39	The vocalist on For Crying OUt Loud kind of sounds like Kevin Cronin the leader singer from REO Speedwagon

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GDW Super Loafer Join Date: 26.03.2010 Location: Perth Posts: 984	Whatever happened to the Country and Western Album Jim was going to make with Bonnie Tyler?

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duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,882	bat out of nashville i believe was the rumoured title

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A Slice Of English Guest Join Date: 10.11.2003 Posts: 1,258	Ugh... Just no... These do nothing for me at all. Thank the sweet Lord above that Jim, Meat, Todd & Co all got together to turn these into the epic record the world has come to love.

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PanicLord Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: At The End Of The Line Posts: 2,651	I like em a lot, especially FCOL. Makes me think that Bat Out Of Nashville would be an excellent idea, and why stop there? Imagine Dead Ringer For Love by Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers

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Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192

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renegadeangel Super Loafer Join Date: 18.05.2006 Posts: 604	The demos are nice and I think after listening to MLOONAA that Jim blew it by giving it to Air Supply. Imagine Meat doing that song in 1983. It really is too bad that Jim appears to not to have been a prolific writer at any time. And it also goes to show why he ended up with Meat for BAT. I don't care what excuse Jim gives, his singing really doesn't bring any life to the songs and the other singers are poor substitutes for Meat.

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Steingirl Super Loafer Join Date: 21.04.2008 Posts: 309	I enjoyed hearing these, but it also makes me appreciate what Meat has done with these songs, even more than I already did.

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RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	or "Man of Steel", by Pearl.