German fansite and forum "batland"

Ma.Ra · 24 Nov 2006, 23:50

Just want let the other people know, that "http://www.meatloaf-fanclub.de/" is gone. So that means (I think) no more videos from Eva.
IMO just curious that Eva closed it. Never thought something from a hardcore fan like her. I respect here opinions, whatever they should excatly be (<-without a sarcastic meaning!), but it seems it has to do something with Meat and Steinman. She always knew more than we.

If you want to know why, find a useful online translator and translate the text of the site.( the reason has to do with Meat and Steinman of course. Seems old spectaculations comming up again. I write that without take any position!)

RoknRollJesus · 24 Nov 2006, 23:54

**Ankie** · 25 Nov 2006, 00:12

The last line of her message says clearly that it is her opinion, and I think she deserves we respect it that way.

JanT · 25 Nov 2006, 00:35

Deb · 25 Nov 2006, 00:48

I can't read German so I never really visited Evas site on a regular basis. But I did go to see the wonderful pictures from all the shows. I know the site means a very lot to the German fans and will be greatly missed.

I love Eva very much and she is a very dear friend of mine and I hope she gets the time she needs to sort out how she's feeling. I understand completely how she is feeling right now

And respect her opinions on this.

I love you Eva and hope it all works out for the best for you. At the end of the day, you are all that matters. And know matter what I will always be here for you. On the phone, in emails or even in person

Just don't expect me to post in a love and support thread every day lol

Miss you already

Deb

R. · 25 Nov 2006, 00:58

Temporarily down doesn't necessarily mean gone.

Blackkat13 · 25 Nov 2006, 04:38

like mlonline went down when bat 3 came out....didn't mean they where gone

gecko73 · 25 Nov 2006, 12:01

It took me completely by surprise close up the batland-forum

. I´m very sad about this, cause my English isn`t so good to post my opinions and thougts about Meat`s music in this forum.
I understand Evas point of view, and I hope for all German fans that her enthusiasmus & love to Meat Loaf and his music coming back soon.
Keep rocking Nicole

*AndyK* · 25 Nov 2006, 16:38

I've no idea what Eva's point of view ir opinion is here, but like Deb I do know that Eva is a very dear friend who I've shared some fabulous Loaf flavoured adventures with. Thank you for those times Eva, and for all the pics and videos you've so selflessly shared ovedr the years. Be back with us properly soon!

Pudding · 26 Nov 2006, 11:12

It doesn't make much sense to me, why close down the site?

It's not as if Meat not collaborating with Steinman on Bat3 has been kept a secret, we've all known he wasn't for about a year. Nor was Patti leaving much of a shocker either, not to me anyway, I'm surprised she didn't do her own thing a lot sooner to be honest. And so what if Meat uses a few pre-recorded voice overs on some of the songs, surely that's better than him singing off-key.

I'm not certain what the long term achievement will be for closing down the site, if she was that p*ssed off with the whole thing, then why not hand it over to another German fan? It seems she's gone from one extreme to the other, which she's completely entitled to do, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

Pud

razorball2002 · 26 Nov 2006, 15:11

Hallo Eva, Please e mail me I have something very urgent to say and unfortunately I cannot write you an e mail at your persnal adress I have (the muenster one) because it gets returned! Please write at razorball2002@yahoo.com. danke vielmals! dein schweizer freund Pascal

Blackkat13 · 27 Nov 2006, 06:20

Use this to help you read her site.....http://www.freetranslation.com/

MasterEngineer · 30 Nov 2006, 17:55

Well,

unfortunately the site has been totally removed now.

I talked to eva a lot and offered her several times to help her and we discussed that in detail.
Hopefully she knows how much we miss the site.

If I can help you once again, Eva, you know how to find me!
Martin

Urmech · 02 Dec 2006, 00:48

Hi,

as mentioned by "Pudding" the reasons weren't really conviencing to me. Meat was Eva's life, so it's very unlikely that these reasons had caused her actions. You don't throw your life away just becsuse of some rumors, do you? Even if that reasons are the real ones, it would be ok to close the site, but not the forum, which is causing a lot of damage to the community. If you are only in a bad mood, I think you can't risk to bury the German community, cause there might be no way back.

So I think the real reason might be a clash between some german fans (including Eva).
I just want to remind you, that the user called "The Prince of Darkness" had quitted to organise our next fan meeting 2007. Also "Heimathirsch" was baned. 2 very important guys for the community. Also the moment (just after all RAH-payments were done) of closing may be a clue. So I bleieve that Eva had planned these actions for a longer time.

Apart from the speculations about her reasons, it's a great pity that the forum is closed. I hope it reopens very soon. Even that's not very likely.

These are only my thoughts, but I had to write them down.
So please don't blame me for that.

At the moment i feel like: "I'm in the middle of nowhere near the end of the line" and I'm waiting
for "a border to somewhere".

Keep Rocking
Michael

PS: I'm not a native speaker, so please excuse any mistake.
It's my first post to this forum, cause I used to get all my informations form the german forum. I was at RAH, so may be I had already met someone of you.

djfierce · 02 Dec 2006, 01:12

Thanks for your thoughts and joining
Hopefully you will find a place here :) you are certainly most welcome

Deb · 02 Dec 2006, 01:17

Hi Michael

I think we met in Mannheim and the RAH

Eva isn't doing anything because she is in a bad mood. Nor is it because of a clash with other German fans. I also see no connection between this and the payments for the RAH tickets.

Also Eva has not planned these actions for a longer time.

Eva doesn't have to explain any more than she feels about why she has done this. I know Eva VERY well and I know for a fact that this has nothing at all to do with fans.

I know it's very sad for the German fans and I do feel for them, but at the end of the day it was Eva's own personal fansite. It's hers to give up as she pleases. I don't see why she should be made to feel like she has to pass it on to someone. It'd be like saying Ewan should of passed meatloafonline on when he shut it or if say Jules wanted to shut The Naked Wire she should pass it on.

If all of you are unhappy, think how Eva must be feeling right now to of got to the stage where she did this. Evas decision has effected me very much and I think about it constantly throughout every day. I love her to bits and hate that people think she would do something just because she is angry with others. That is so not Eva.

I really didn't want to have to post in this thread like this, but I couldn't let your post go unanswered

Deb

Urmech · 02 Dec 2006, 01:59

Hi Deb,

you are absolutly right, that she don't have to tell us more.
But she have to be aware of the fact, that this behaviour
will feed rumors about her reasons. Like the day when Patty
left the band without any further comment.

And you are also absolutly right, she has the right to close her site. I have never written anything else. We just hadn't any chance to try to move the community to another place, cause she closed it so suddenly. Even some German fans are visting this forum, we won't be able to reach all of them. So if fans haven't caused this, she should give us a fair chance to move. That's all I'm asking for. Transfering it, would be just the easiest way to do this. But I still prefer a reopening.

Sorry, that my post had forced you to reply.

Keep Rocking

Michael

By the way:

RAH-payments: I recieved a message on 19 Nov 06 to pay my ticket, on 22 Nov Eva told me that she had recieved the money ... -- on 24 Nov I recognized that the page and forum was gone. -- just to explain my link. --

R. · 02 Dec 2006, 02:04

Might be a good idea to give this thread a little kick and change it into a support thread to bring her site back up?

Deb · 02 Dec 2006, 02:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urmech

By the way:

RAH-payments: I recieved a message on 19 Nov 06 to pay my ticket, on 22 Nov Eva told me that she had recieved the money ... -- on 24 Nov I recognized that the page and forum was gone. -- just to explain my link. --

Thank you for your reply Michael and like I said I understand how you all feel

But i'm more than sure that Eva meant no harm to the fans by it, she just couldn't face going on with it all anymore.

As far as the RAH payments go i'm sure that is just coincidental. You were all lucky to of got that long to pay lol. The show was over a month before that.

Deb

Deb · 02 Dec 2006, 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.

Might be a good idea to give this thread a little kick and change it into a support thread to bring her site back up?

I'm all for supporting Eva

Not so sure of the chances of bringing the site back up though. Not until she is good and ready anyway and I do feel thats the most important thing here. Eva has to want to do what ever it is that she ends up doing. for all of us though, I hope it's that she comes back as I love her very very much.

I miss you my darling Crazy stupid German Nut
Deb

Urmech · 02 Dec 2006, 02:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

Not until she is good and ready anyway and I do feel thats the most important thing here.

Hope she is in good health at least.

Keep Rocking

Michael

Pudding · 02 Dec 2006, 12:52

At the end of the day, it's Eva's site and she can do what the hell she wants with it, and she has, so fair enough.

Pud

DanielF · 02 Dec 2006, 13:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

At the end of the day, it's Eva's site and she can do what the hell she wants with it, and she has, so fair enough.

Pud

Pudding, you are right!

I don't understand why some people can't respect Eva's desicion. Would anybody of you spend your money and free time on a website even when you lost the "passion" for it? I wouldn't do it!

Rock On!
Daniel

**RadioMaster** · 02 Dec 2006, 13:42

As we cant change Eva´s decision and have to respect it, how about this:

Saw it on several other fan sites, that they got two sections: An English and a German section. for example the barclay james harvest forum (www.bjharvest.co.uk/forum).
Question to R:
would that be possible?
I think it´d be worth it, as many of us Germans are active on this forum and we could win some new members with that too.

What do you think?

Urmech · 03 Dec 2006, 00:49

Hi,

I admire Eva for her unselfish dedication to the german community so far. I respect her decission. It's just hard for me to understand what's going on. We all miss the forum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

Saw it on several other fan sites, that they got two sections: An English and a German section. for example the barclay james harvest forum (www.bjharvest.co.uk/forum).
Question to R:
would that be possible?
I think it´d be worth it, as many of us Germans are active on this forum and we could win some new members with that too.

What do you think?

A , hopefully temporarily, subforum here would be a great idea.

Keep Rocking
Michael

24 Nov 2006, 23:50	#1
Ma.Ra Trekkie Join Date: 25.07.2004 Location: in the middle of nowhere Posts: 863	German fansite and forum "batland" Just want let the other people know, that "http://www.meatloaf-fanclub.de/" is gone. So that means (I think) no more videos from Eva. IMO just curious that Eva closed it. Never thought something from a hardcore fan like her. I respect here opinions, whatever they should excatly be (<-without a sarcastic meaning!), but it seems it has to do something with Meat and Steinman. She always knew more than we. If you want to know why, find a useful online translator and translate the text of the site.( the reason has to do with Meat and Steinman of course. Seems old spectaculations comming up again. I write that without take any position!) Last edited by Ma.Ra; 24 Nov 2006 at 23:59.

26 Nov 2006, 15:11	#11
razorball2002 Guest Join Date: 20.03.2006 Posts: 86	Pascal Bitte e mail mich!! Hallo Eva, Please e mail me I have something very urgent to say and unfortunately I cannot write you an e mail at your persnal adress I have (the muenster one) because it gets returned! Please write at razorball2002@yahoo.com. danke vielmals! dein schweizer freund Pascal

02 Dec 2006, 00:48	#14
Urmech Rookie Join Date: 22.05.2006 Location: Posts: 6	I'm not sure if the letter told us the wohle truth Hi, as mentioned by "Pudding" the reasons weren't really conviencing to me. Meat was Eva's life, so it's very unlikely that these reasons had caused her actions. You don't throw your life away just becsuse of some rumors, do you? Even if that reasons are the real ones, it would be ok to close the site, but not the forum, which is causing a lot of damage to the community. If you are only in a bad mood, I think you can't risk to bury the German community, cause there might be no way back. So I think the real reason might be a clash between some german fans (including Eva). I just want to remind you, that the user called "The Prince of Darkness" had quitted to organise our next fan meeting 2007. Also "Heimathirsch" was baned. 2 very important guys for the community. Also the moment (just after all RAH-payments were done) of closing may be a clue. So I bleieve that Eva had planned these actions for a longer time. Apart from the speculations about her reasons, it's a great pity that the forum is closed. I hope it reopens very soon. Even that's not very likely. These are only my thoughts, but I had to write them down. So please don't blame me for that. At the moment i feel like: "I'm in the middle of nowhere near the end of the line" and I'm waiting for "a border to somewhere". Keep Rocking Michael PS: I'm not a native speaker, so please excuse any mistake. It's my first post to this forum, cause I used to get all my informations form the german forum. I was at RAH, so may be I had already met someone of you. Last edited by Urmech; 02 Dec 2006 at 01:13.

24 Nov 2006, 23:54	#2
RoknRollJesus Livin' La Vida Loafa! Join Date: 03.10.2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,529

25 Nov 2006, 00:12	#3
Ankie Office manager Join Date: 25.04.2002 Posts: 1,883	The last line of her message says clearly that it is her opinion, and I think she deserves we respect it that way.

25 Nov 2006, 00:35	#4
JanT Mega Loafer Join Date: 22.06.2006 Location: Blackpool Posts: 2,232

25 Nov 2006, 00:48	#5
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	I can't read German so I never really visited Evas site on a regular basis. But I did go to see the wonderful pictures from all the shows. I know the site means a very lot to the German fans and will be greatly missed. I love Eva very much and she is a very dear friend of mine and I hope she gets the time she needs to sort out how she's feeling. I understand completely how she is feeling right now And respect her opinions on this. I love you Eva and hope it all works out for the best for you. At the end of the day, you are all that matters. And know matter what I will always be here for you. On the phone, in emails or even in person Just don't expect me to post in a love and support thread every day lol Miss you already Deb

25 Nov 2006, 00:58	#6
R. You dig. Join Date: 02.04.2002 Location: On the fothermucker Posts: 7,179	Temporarily down doesn't necessarily mean gone.

25 Nov 2006, 04:38	#7
Blackkat13 Mega Loafer Join Date: 30.07.2006 Location: Hell, Michigan Posts: 1,989	like mlonline went down when bat 3 came out....didn't mean they where gone

25 Nov 2006, 12:01	#8
gecko73 Loafer Join Date: 17.01.2006 Location: everywhere and nowhere Posts: 97	It took me completely by surprise close up the batland-forum . I´m very sad about this, cause my English isn`t so good to post my opinions and thougts about Meat`s music in this forum. I understand Evas point of view, and I hope for all German fans that her enthusiasmus & love to Meat Loaf and his music coming back soon. Keep rocking Nicole

25 Nov 2006, 16:38	#9
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	I've no idea what Eva's point of view ir opinion is here, but like Deb I do know that Eva is a very dear friend who I've shared some fabulous Loaf flavoured adventures with. Thank you for those times Eva, and for all the pics and videos you've so selflessly shared ovedr the years. Be back with us properly soon!

26 Nov 2006, 11:12	#10
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	It doesn't make much sense to me, why close down the site? It's not as if Meat not collaborating with Steinman on Bat3 has been kept a secret, we've all known he wasn't for about a year. Nor was Patti leaving much of a shocker either, not to me anyway, I'm surprised she didn't do her own thing a lot sooner to be honest. And so what if Meat uses a few pre-recorded voice overs on some of the songs, surely that's better than him singing off-key. I'm not certain what the long term achievement will be for closing down the site, if she was that p*ssed off with the whole thing, then why not hand it over to another German fan? It seems she's gone from one extreme to the other, which she's completely entitled to do, but it doesn't make much sense to me. Pud

27 Nov 2006, 06:20	#12
Blackkat13 Mega Loafer Join Date: 30.07.2006 Location: Hell, Michigan Posts: 1,989	Use this to help you read her site.....http://www.freetranslation.com/

30 Nov 2006, 17:55	#13
MasterEngineer Senior Loafer Join Date: 03.10.2003 Location: ...ask CC ;-) Posts: 141	Well, unfortunately the site has been totally removed now. I talked to eva a lot and offered her several times to help her and we discussed that in detail. Hopefully she knows how much we miss the site. If I can help you once again, Eva, you know how to find me! Martin

02 Dec 2006, 01:12	#15
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	Thanks for your thoughts and joining Hopefully you will find a place here :) you are certainly most welcome

02 Dec 2006, 01:17	#16
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Hi Michael I think we met in Mannheim and the RAH Eva isn't doing anything because she is in a bad mood. Nor is it because of a clash with other German fans. I also see no connection between this and the payments for the RAH tickets. Also Eva has not planned these actions for a longer time. Eva doesn't have to explain any more than she feels about why she has done this. I know Eva VERY well and I know for a fact that this has nothing at all to do with fans. I know it's very sad for the German fans and I do feel for them, but at the end of the day it was Eva's own personal fansite. It's hers to give up as she pleases. I don't see why she should be made to feel like she has to pass it on to someone. It'd be like saying Ewan should of passed meatloafonline on when he shut it or if say Jules wanted to shut The Naked Wire she should pass it on. If all of you are unhappy, think how Eva must be feeling right now to of got to the stage where she did this. Evas decision has effected me very much and I think about it constantly throughout every day. I love her to bits and hate that people think she would do something just because she is angry with others. That is so not Eva. I really didn't want to have to post in this thread like this, but I couldn't let your post go unanswered Deb

02 Dec 2006, 01:59	#17
Urmech Rookie Join Date: 22.05.2006 Location: Posts: 6	Hi Deb, you are absolutly right, that she don't have to tell us more. But she have to be aware of the fact, that this behaviour will feed rumors about her reasons. Like the day when Patty left the band without any further comment. And you are also absolutly right, she has the right to close her site. I have never written anything else. We just hadn't any chance to try to move the community to another place, cause she closed it so suddenly. Even some German fans are visting this forum, we won't be able to reach all of them. So if fans haven't caused this, she should give us a fair chance to move. That's all I'm asking for. Transfering it, would be just the easiest way to do this. But I still prefer a reopening. Sorry, that my post had forced you to reply. Keep Rocking Michael By the way: RAH-payments: I recieved a message on 19 Nov 06 to pay my ticket, on 22 Nov Eva told me that she had recieved the money ... -- on 24 Nov I recognized that the page and forum was gone. -- just to explain my link. --

02 Dec 2006, 02:04	#18
R. You dig. Join Date: 02.04.2002 Location: On the fothermucker Posts: 7,179	Might be a good idea to give this thread a little kick and change it into a support thread to bring her site back up?

02 Dec 2006, 12:52	#22
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	At the end of the day, it's Eva's site and she can do what the hell she wants with it, and she has, so fair enough. Pud

02 Dec 2006, 13:42	#24
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	As we cant change Eva´s decision and have to respect it, how about this: Saw it on several other fan sites, that they got two sections: An English and a German section. for example the barclay james harvest forum (www.bjharvest.co.uk/forum). Question to R: would that be possible? I think it´d be worth it, as many of us Germans are active on this forum and we could win some new members with that too. What do you think?