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Guns N Roses and "technical difficulties"??
Sounds like the biggest mess of a show ever to me. Glad I didn't bother getting tickets for this tour. How to destroy a legacy eh? And to think Meat got so much stick for Newcastle. This is just soo disrespectful for the audience imo.
I'm pretty sure the bottle throwing would have stopped if Axl had continued with the song. He should have moved to the back of stage temporarily and let things settle and just rock imo. What a moron.
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Ha ha, and I was considering buying tickets for their show here in December..... this seals it, $147 ain't worth this
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Maybe some of the crowd were harsh but these are only plastic bottles really and I think they can expect that kind of behaviour after appearing on stage almost 2 hours too late. I mean come on, at 22.30 (when they apparently came on) it is time to start thinking about wrapping up a show really (for arena rock shows at least). No more Irish shows for GNR I reckon. Think I would take my chances with a GNR Tribute show instead. |
Well i mentioned on here before we saw Axl in Newcastle a few years ago, he had 2 support acts, then waited and waited, and did not some on stage til 10.30 ! He did an hour and 30, had started to get the intro into Paradise City, and then cos 1 person threw a coin on the stage, he stormed off calling the audience c**ts ! So this doesn't surprise me ! A lot of people had to leave early any way cos he didn't come out til really late and people had taxis booked and trains to catch !
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The longest show I saw Meat do was in Glasgow 04. He had been ill so I think that was one of the reasons he came on a bit later around 20.30 (at least Kasim informed us of what was going on) and during the first few songs he let the band play longer than usual. It was sad to see some people having to leave around 11pm/before the end as they really had to go to get trains back into the centre but Meat gave an awesome performance despite the flu he had and was one of the best shows I've seen. The ebay story was fantastic and the performance of Bat at the end was monumental and I've never heard a better crowd reaction EVER. Meat always seems to find more energy towards the end. It just shows the difference in respect towards the audience to me in comparison to someone like Axl who doesn't seem to give a shit. |
Id say people said the same about meat after Newcastle...
Thing is Meat was seriously Ill and had a valid excuse to stop the show. They came on Late, what more were they to expect.. |
Guns n roses came back on around 11.20 and continued til around 1 but this, unfortunately, is nothing new for Mr Rose. One of my friends that went to it said he left as soon as the lights came up when they left the stage.
I don't know what the big fuss about the current line up since ,as far as i know, Axl is the only original one there and that's of his own choosing. Had it been the original line up i would've done anything to go and see them but right now it just looks and sounds like a tribute act. |
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He is an ar**hole who no longer deserves the adulation of fans. |
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Myself am not really into Guns & Roses, but at the end of the day, plastic bottles or not, bands should not be subject to missiles being thrown, if that was to happen at a Premier League football match, CCTV is used to find the culprit and they are banned for life from that stadium. Blame should be put at the morons throwing the bottles. :D
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Meat refuses to play festivals in the UK now as a result of what happened ot him at Knebworth in 1985 and Reading a few years later. |
Just read that he actually did return and completed his set, finishing at 00:53 :shock:, so everyone got to see what they paid for. Also read, that Axl is know for being late on stage, so what did everyone expect, still no excuse for missile throwing. :D
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You're right Andy. It's easy to blame the artist and being out of context.:roll:
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In the Guns and Roses context I think that Axl and the band are to blame for disappointing their fans, but that's still no excuse for throwing things at the stage. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Yeah but that's the point. You're talking about fans. Fans ougtha know his behaviour. He's been late since the late 80's and maybe his whole live.;)
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I agree though that there's no excuse for anyone throwing things at a band, but there always going to be idiots that ruin it for others. |
Of course people shouldn't be throwing things but at €70+ per ticket, having to wait around for 3 hour I can understand some out of a crowd of thousands will eventually lose it. Playing beyond midnight during a weekday is not acceptable imo, at least not when they start so late. A different story when the concert just lasts too long.
Before I read and saw all this I didn't know Axl Rose had a reputation for "always" being late. How and why should I know about that, if I just wanted to go to see the show? :roll: I would have been one of the people waiting around for hours wondering what the hell is going on. It's mighty embarrassing if you had invited others to come along too. Everyone involved, the backstage staff, promoters, security and people who work at the venue are all ready to put on a show. Then Axl Rose takes the piss. It's not right in my opinion. |
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It was CHSIB, Anything For Love and BOOH. It was supposed to have been the first time Meat played Bat in its entirety on UK TV, but they ended up editing it. Obviuosly Wario may end up correcting me, because his collection and knowledge is far superior to everyone elses! :lol:
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He also did Out in the Green festival in 1987 (where he performed One More Kiss) |
I think poor old Axl's wheels have fallen off.:roll:
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i wasn't at the show, so i really shouldn't comment, but in the first clip axl appeared to be unusually polite with his request, the crowd also seemed somewhat hostile by then lol.
there is no reason to throw stuff at the stage, and axl is well known for being rather difficult at the best of times, (though he might have been taking the piss alot this time) on the bright side though, the belfast gigs looks to have been a good one :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbuSbr-M7q0 (though the clips aren't great quality) |
Yes, I have no idea whether he was late coming on stage and had given the audience anything to be hostile about, and yes, he has a reputation for being difficult and late starting (although presumably his fans know this .. you pays your money and takes your chance) .. but there's no excuse to throw stuff onto the stage.
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I've already said this on another forum I'm on but while I don't condone the throwing of things onto the stage at the same time I can see why the fans would be angry. The fans pay a lot of money to go and see a show and Axl consistantly treats them like dirt with his antics. Using 'Well he's got a history for it so people should know what to expect" isn't an excuse at all, if that's the case then change the start times to an hour later to accomadate for the arrival of both him and his rediculously large ego.
It's a shame because you have a guy who has a lot of talent, he's written some amazing songs and I'll admit Chinese Democracy was a great album but he's just a complete and utter idiot. |
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How many bottles were thrown on the stage out of how many fans in the venue? But everyone suffered because of the actions of the few. Not rock n roll :down: Quote:
And throwing stuff at people is violence in my book. Quote:
Not everyone in the venue is a hardcore fan who knows the ways and habits of the band and lead singer, and you can't expect those people to understand when the concert is a couple of hours late starting. Quote:
I felt very sorry for the couple of poor sods who had to go out and address such a hostile crowd because of Axl's behavior. Quote:
That's what the crowd should have done, because throwing stuff at the stage is not acceptable (unless it's Justin Bieber, in which case not throwing stuff is not acceptable). Funny sort of world when JB is more of a trouper than Axl Rose :wtf: :nuts: |
What happened to GNR? Back in my school days, they were one of the coolest bands around.
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I just think the whole thing is desperately sad to be honest. GnR were one of the biigest bands in the world, even if you're not a big fan there's very few people that don't know the songs and recognise the guitars, that logo is on band t-shirts everywhere you look...and yet they end up like this :? I think it's just so sad for the real die-hard fans who've followed them forever to have to watch them demise to this.
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Blind Before I Stop That :shit: song that no one likes Rock 'N' Roll Mercenaries You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth Midnight At The Lost And Found All Revved Up With No Place To Go Bat Out Of Hell Rock 'N' Roll Medley |
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I can understand the frustration of the crowd, but really- you waited all that time for the guy to come out, and then you're going to throw crap at him? I don't get that. Some people just don't know how to behave, I guess. :roll: |
they even did a 10ish min november rain :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb38L5f79ow better add a longer version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx40dRWRtjw and some live and let die http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCbt...eature=channel sweet child of mine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gegrd...eature=channel looks to me like it was a great gig tis a shame the one the next night didnt go so well and yes, the band line up is completely different, and different band members will change the dynamic of the performance, but as we've seen with the ever changing neverland express line up over the years... sometimes change is good (and red ponies probably wouldn't like footage of this quality lol) |
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As for the concerts themselves I'd imagine they are pretty good, like I said Axl is talented when he gets his act together and the backing musicians he has with him will be decent too but he has a huge attitude problem and he just winds up the fans. Again I'm not condoning what the audience did, they were angry but they should have just walked out and lodged a complaint but Axl brought it on himself. |
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Guns N' Roses have acted like this from Day One. Whilst it may not be a reputation that any right-thinking band would want, the Guns have never exactly been "right-thinking" and Axl in particular is a volatile so and so who can get riled very easily. I would still love to see them live and would go to the show with a sleeping bag and camp bed so I can have a kip for a couple of hours between the warm-up and the main act.
The band is legendary, and I love all their stuff, including Chinese Democracy, which is a different sound but it's the voice that does it for me. Love that gravelly screech. |
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Seriously, the name is where the money is at. You can say they're not the Guns, but they are really, just in a different form. |
People threw plastic beer cups and bottles on stage, but there was actually urine in them. So can you blame Axl for walking off when you get that filth thrown at you?
Coming on that late you're only asking for trouble. I'm sure they won't do it again after that shambles. |
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Still doesn't excuse having bottles and cups of ~~~~ thrown at you though. |
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As long as people continue to book them, they will continue to come on when they feel like it. If people didn't book them any longer, it may force them to reevaluate things. But I doubt it.
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I would drive to be able to leave when I like. I appreciate not everyone can do that however. Like I said, it doesn't make it right.
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Someone mentioned the lateness/carryon at the festivals at the weekend they played. Indeed if that hadn't happened this probably wouldn't have been such a big deal but with GNR already getting bad press and then yet again showing up late as if they don't give is shit is a bitter pill for people to swallow who had probably all bought their tickets before the previous incidents. At least that's the way I would have looked at it, rather than using it is as a template to think they will probably be starting when we need to think about leaving. |
Could the venues not fine GNR for running over in a way to stop them from being late? I know a few venues are quite strict when it comes to timing, Dream Theater did a concert for their DVD Score in Radio City Music Hall and they ran over by a few minutes and it cost them thousands in extra fees.
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Sounds like the people who left won't get their money back anyway. |
From what I understand in RCMH it was to do with the unions or something, I guess it varies from venue to venue and city to city.
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I've never had a problem parking anywhere I've been to see a concert. Maybe I'm lucky, who knows?
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Any gig I've been too i've always tried to get public transport or a taxi due to the risk of leaving my car and hassle of getting parked. |
at least the gnr hype is working a treat... 3 pages of debate on this site alone, plus a great deal of media coverage... and they didn't even get credited with starting a riot this time lol
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To be honest, if given the opportunity I'd throw something at Axl Rose, I've never liked the dude and he has the voice of an electric cheese grater
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No refund is going to be given to the fans that left either because GNR performed the show. I can't see them coming back here again. |
I know there is a saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity" but it sounds to me that Axl genuinely doesn't give a shit. I read his blog on what happened at Reading and it simply puts me off seeing him as he doesn't seems to care where he is playing. Maybe it's part of the act but I don't buy it.
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