Guns N Roses and "technical difficulties"??

AndrewG · 03 Sep 2010, 00:43

Sounds like the biggest mess of a show ever to me. Glad I didn't bother getting tickets for this tour. How to destroy a legacy eh? And to think Meat got so much stick for Newcastle. This is just soo disrespectful for the audience imo.
I'm pretty sure the bottle throwing would have stopped if Axl had continued with the song. He should have moved to the back of stage temporarily and let things settle and just rock imo. What a moron.

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melon · 03 Sep 2010, 01:06

Ha ha, and I was considering buying tickets for their show here in December..... this seals it, $147 ain't worth this

AndrewG · 03 Sep 2010, 01:17

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Originally Posted by melon

Ha ha, and I was considering buying tickets for their show here in December..... this seals it, $147 ain't worth this

Indeed.
Maybe some of the crowd were harsh but these are only plastic bottles really and I think they can expect that kind of behaviour after appearing on stage almost 2 hours too late. I mean come on, at 22.30 (when they apparently came on) it is time to start thinking about wrapping up a show really (for arena rock shows at least). No more Irish shows for GNR I reckon.

Think I would take my chances with a GNR Tribute show instead.

24K · 03 Sep 2010, 01:35

Well i mentioned on here before we saw Axl in Newcastle a few years ago, he had 2 support acts, then waited and waited, and did not some on stage til 10.30 ! He did an hour and 30, had started to get the intro into Paradise City, and then cos 1 person threw a coin on the stage, he stormed off calling the audience c**ts ! So this doesn't surprise me ! A lot of people had to leave early any way cos he didn't come out til really late and people had taxis booked and trains to catch !

AndrewG · 03 Sep 2010, 01:48

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Originally Posted by 24K

Well i mentioned on here before we saw Axl in Newcastle a few years ago, he had 2 support acts, then waited and waited, and did not some on stage til 10.30 ! He did an hour and 30, had started to get the intro into Paradise City, and then cos 1 person threw a coin on the stage, he stormed off calling the audience c**ts ! So this doesn't surprise me ! A lot of people had to leave early any way cos he didn't come out til really late and people had taxis booked and trains to catch !

That is mental.

The longest show I saw Meat do was in Glasgow 04. He had been ill so I think that was one of the reasons he came on a bit later around 20.30 (at least Kasim informed us of what was going on) and during the first few songs he let the band play longer than usual. It was sad to see some people having to leave around 11pm/before the end as they really had to go to get trains back into the centre but Meat gave an awesome performance despite the flu he had and was one of the best shows I've seen. The ebay story was fantastic and the performance of Bat at the end was monumental and I've never heard a better crowd reaction EVER. Meat always seems to find more energy towards the end. It just shows the difference in respect towards the audience to me in comparison to someone like Axl who doesn't seem to give a shit.

Wario · 03 Sep 2010, 04:07

Id say people said the same about meat after Newcastle...

Thing is Meat was seriously Ill and had a valid excuse to stop the show.

They came on Late, what more were they to expect..

**allrevvedup** · 03 Sep 2010, 08:25

Guns n roses came back on around 11.20 and continued til around 1 but this, unfortunately, is nothing new for Mr Rose. One of my friends that went to it said he left as soon as the lights came up when they left the stage.

I don't know what the big fuss about the current line up since ,as far as i know, Axl is the only original one there and that's of his own choosing.

Had it been the original line up i would've done anything to go and see them but right now it just looks and sounds like a tribute act.

cujo · 03 Sep 2010, 10:29

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup

I don't know what the big fuss about the current line up since ,as far as i know, Axl is the only original one there and that's of his own choosing.

Had it been the original line up i would've done anything to go and see them but right now it just looks and sounds like a tribute act.

Your right - its just Axl with a new band - and the reason for that is that all of the original band lost patience with Axl years ago. At Newcastle two years ago the first support act came onstage at 6.30 and did a 30 min slot, then another support act came on stage at 7.30 for 30 minutes, so at 8 the crew started getting the stage ready for Axl - so we were expecting them around 8.30 - to have to wait until 10.30 was just outrageous and i will never waste my money on them again - especially when he cut the show short as well.
He is an ar**hole who no longer deserves the adulation of fans.

Sarge · 03 Sep 2010, 10:45

Axl should learn a lesson from Slash:

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Jayd · 03 Sep 2010, 12:15

Myself am not really into Guns & Roses, but at the end of the day, plastic bottles or not, bands should not be subject to missiles being thrown, if that was to happen at a Premier League football match, CCTV is used to find the culprit and they are banned for life from that stadium. Blame should be put at the morons throwing the bottles.

*AndyK* · 03 Sep 2010, 12:20

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Originally Posted by Jayd

Myself am not really into Guns & Roses, but at the end of the day, plastic bottles or not, bands should not be subject to missiles being thrown, if that was to happen at a Premier League football match, CCTV is used to find the culprit and they are banned for life from that stadium. Blame should be put at the morons throwing the bottles.

Exactly!

Meat refuses to play festivals in the UK now as a result of what happened ot him at Knebworth in 1985 and Reading a few years later.

Jayd · 03 Sep 2010, 12:24

Just read that he actually did return and completed his set, finishing at 00:53

, so everyone got to see what they paid for. Also read, that Axl is know for being late on stage, so what did everyone expect, still no excuse for missile throwing.

madagascar · 03 Sep 2010, 12:27

You're right Andy. It's easy to blame the artist and being out of context.

*AndyK* · 03 Sep 2010, 12:30

In the Guns and Roses context I think that Axl and the band are to blame for disappointing their fans, but that's still no excuse for throwing things at the stage. Two wrongs don't make a right.

madagascar · 03 Sep 2010, 12:48

Yeah but that's the point. You're talking about fans. Fans ougtha know his behaviour. He's been late since the late 80's and maybe his whole live.

**allrevvedup** · 03 Sep 2010, 12:54

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Originally Posted by Jayd

Also read, that Axl is know for being late on stage, so what did everyone expect, still no excuse for missile throwing.

That's not a reputation that an artist should have. I personally don't think Mr Rose cares enough about what he does anymore, at least that's the impression i get, and that he's just touring for the money off a name that used to mean something huge in the music business (Appetite for destruction is one of the best albums that I have ever heard)

I agree though that there's no excuse for anyone throwing things at a band, but there always going to be idiots that ruin it for others.

AndrewG · 03 Sep 2010, 13:06

Of course people shouldn't be throwing things but at €70+ per ticket, having to wait around for 3 hour I can understand some out of a crowd of thousands will eventually lose it. Playing beyond midnight during a weekday is not acceptable imo, at least not when they start so late. A different story when the concert just lasts too long.

Before I read and saw all this I didn't know Axl Rose had a reputation for "always" being late. How and why should I know about that, if I just wanted to go to see the show?

I would have been one of the people waiting around for hours wondering what the hell is going on. It's mighty embarrassing if you had invited others to come along too. Everyone involved, the backstage staff, promoters, security and people who work at the venue are all ready to put on a show. Then Axl Rose takes the piss. It's not right in my opinion.

AndrewG · 03 Sep 2010, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Jayd

Just read that he actually did return and completed his set, finishing at 00:53

, so everyone got to see what they paid for.

Not true, there were a hord of people who had left the O2 as the house lights had come on for 10 minutes around eleven. Seriously would you have stayed? I'm guessing I would have left too. When they found out the band had come back to the stage they weren't allowed back into the arena.

AndrewG · 03 Sep 2010, 13:22

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Originally Posted by AndyK

Exactly!

Meat refuses to play festivals in the UK now as a result of what happened ot him at Knebworth in 1985 and Reading a few years later.

Can Party in the Park not be classed as a festival then?

*AndyK* · 03 Sep 2010, 13:25

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Can Party in the Park not be classed as a festival then?

Not really. What was it, two/three songs? Set curtailed for TV broadcast purposes. It barely classes as a concert really does it?

24K · 03 Sep 2010, 13:39

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Of course people shouldn't be throwing things but at €70+ per ticket, having to wait around for 3 hour I can understand some out of a crowd of thousands will eventually lose it. Playing beyond midnight during a weekday is not acceptable imo, at least not when they start so late. A different story when the concert just lasts too long.

Before I read and saw all this I didn't know Axl Rose had a reputation for "always" being late. How and why should I know about that, if I just wanted to go to see the show?

I would have been one of the people waiting around for hours wondering what the hell is going on. It's mighty embarrassing if you had invited others to come along too. Everyone involved, the backstage staff, promoters, security and people who work at the venue are all ready to put on a show. Then Axl Rose takes the piss. It's not right in my opinion.

Am in total agreement with you here !

AndrewG · 03 Sep 2010, 14:43

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Originally Posted by AndyK

Not really. What was it, two/three songs? Set curtailed for TV broadcast purposes. It barely classes as a concert really does it?

I don't know, I only know he played there but I agree if it's that short it doesn't count. I'm sure Warioloaf has exact setlist and running time details and why Masculine wasn't played.

Evil One · 03 Sep 2010, 14:48

It was CHSIB, Anything For Love and BOOH. It was supposed to have been the first time Meat played Bat in its entirety on UK TV, but they ended up editing it. Obviuosly Wario may end up correcting me, because his collection and knowledge is far superior to everyone elses!

Wario · 03 Sep 2010, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Evil One

It was CHSIB, Anything For Love and BOOH. It was supposed to have been the first time Meat played Bat in its entirety on UK TV, but they ended up editing it. Obviuosly Wario may end up correcting me, because his collection and knowledge is far superior to everyone elses!

nah you're right. they cut off his mic. Not that they didnt cut it off during CHSIB numerous times. Its intro was so good, its a shame.

He also did Out in the Green festival in 1987 (where he performed One More Kiss)

GDW · 03 Sep 2010, 16:18

I think poor old Axl's wheels have fallen off.

03 Sep 2010, 01:06	#2
melon Long Distance Loafer Join Date: 17.07.2007 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 4,586	Ha ha, and I was considering buying tickets for their show here in December..... this seals it, $147 ain't worth this

03 Sep 2010, 01:35	#4
24K Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2003 Location: WAY UP NORTH Posts: 1,923	Well i mentioned on here before we saw Axl in Newcastle a few years ago, he had 2 support acts, then waited and waited, and did not some on stage til 10.30 ! He did an hour and 30, had started to get the intro into Paradise City, and then cos 1 person threw a coin on the stage, he stormed off calling the audience c**ts ! So this doesn't surprise me ! A lot of people had to leave early any way cos he didn't come out til really late and people had taxis booked and trains to catch !

03 Sep 2010, 04:07	#6
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	Id say people said the same about meat after Newcastle... Thing is Meat was seriously Ill and had a valid excuse to stop the show. They came on Late, what more were they to expect..

03 Sep 2010, 08:25	#7
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	Guns n roses came back on around 11.20 and continued til around 1 but this, unfortunately, is nothing new for Mr Rose. One of my friends that went to it said he left as soon as the lights came up when they left the stage. I don't know what the big fuss about the current line up since ,as far as i know, Axl is the only original one there and that's of his own choosing. Had it been the original line up i would've done anything to go and see them but right now it just looks and sounds like a tribute act.

03 Sep 2010, 12:15	#10
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,312	Myself am not really into Guns & Roses, but at the end of the day, plastic bottles or not, bands should not be subject to missiles being thrown, if that was to happen at a Premier League football match, CCTV is used to find the culprit and they are banned for life from that stadium. Blame should be put at the morons throwing the bottles.

03 Sep 2010, 12:24	#12
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,312	Just read that he actually did return and completed his set, finishing at 00:53 , so everyone got to see what they paid for. Also read, that Axl is know for being late on stage, so what did everyone expect, still no excuse for missile throwing.

03 Sep 2010, 12:27	#13
madagascar Super Loafer Join Date: 13.12.2005 Location: Germany Posts: 377	You're right Andy. It's easy to blame the artist and being out of context.

03 Sep 2010, 12:30	#14
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	In the Guns and Roses context I think that Axl and the band are to blame for disappointing their fans, but that's still no excuse for throwing things at the stage. Two wrongs don't make a right.

03 Sep 2010, 12:48	#15
madagascar Super Loafer Join Date: 13.12.2005 Location: Germany Posts: 377	Yeah but that's the point. You're talking about fans. Fans ougtha know his behaviour. He's been late since the late 80's and maybe his whole live.

03 Sep 2010, 13:06	#17
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Of course people shouldn't be throwing things but at €70+ per ticket, having to wait around for 3 hour I can understand some out of a crowd of thousands will eventually lose it. Playing beyond midnight during a weekday is not acceptable imo, at least not when they start so late. A different story when the concert just lasts too long. Before I read and saw all this I didn't know Axl Rose had a reputation for "always" being late. How and why should I know about that, if I just wanted to go to see the show? I would have been one of the people waiting around for hours wondering what the hell is going on. It's mighty embarrassing if you had invited others to come along too. Everyone involved, the backstage staff, promoters, security and people who work at the venue are all ready to put on a show. Then Axl Rose takes the piss. It's not right in my opinion.

03 Sep 2010, 14:48	#23
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	It was CHSIB, Anything For Love and BOOH. It was supposed to have been the first time Meat played Bat in its entirety on UK TV, but they ended up editing it. Obviuosly Wario may end up correcting me, because his collection and knowledge is far superior to everyone elses!

03 Sep 2010, 16:18	#25
GDW Super Loafer Join Date: 26.03.2010 Location: Perth Posts: 984	I think poor old Axl's wheels have fallen off.