Over The Top - Opinions / Comments

Invocation · 10 Jul 2005, 11:30

Thought I'd bring this subject up as no one to my knowledge seems to have mentioned it yet.

I just wondered what everyones opinions were, particularly with a few of the tracks now available for download.

Don't get me wrong, Meat does it better than anybody else, but these performances are pretty hot. Rob Evan has an outstanding voice, Elaine Caswell is a goddess, Margoshes is king on piano, all that's missing is a better band as it does seem to lack a certain amount of production.

http://www.overthetopinfo.com/pages/11/index.htm

Bat out of Friesland · 10 Jul 2005, 12:19

Well, I like Meat Loaf more.
Cause I think original is much better than a cover.

Greets,
Henderikus

Alex · 10 Jul 2005, 13:25

I really enjoyed the simplistic take on the production which I'm presuming won't stick anyway. I love piano solos and Pray Lewd was the best of the bunch for me.

With regards to the production, Rinckoff mentioned those were raw cuts, to we can't really comment too much on that.

They were all good versions and many nice little bits in each. When truth be told though, Meat Loaf's versions are the best for me - though I'm 50/50 with Read Em And Weep and will have to wait for a full version to decide.

For a little bit more info for those who don't have it. They are a cover band which seems to have the blessing of Jim Steinman (and he was at one of their concerts if puddings are needing for proof).

needmoremeat · 10 Jul 2005, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bat out of Friesland

Well, I like Meat Loaf more.
Cause I think original is much better than a cover.

Greets,
Henderikus

Me too!

I'm very biased towards Meat, but I love everything Jim does, too, there is nothing else in the world that compares to the thrill of listening to Steinman's songs

I would go on the website and get a couple of samples, but it comes up as Error, http 404 not found or whatever!

Michel · 10 Jul 2005, 21:06

I think it's sounds a little bit like the albums. They just sing the albumsongs. They are not performing, not doing the songs there own way, I miss the character. I think Meat is the best to do those songs.

Tim · 10 Jul 2005, 21:08

There is a topic about this, i remember.....

Got the album it is great!!!

needmoremeat · 11 Jul 2005, 11:45

OK, I've just managed to get to the site somehow to get the clips. First one I got was Making Love Out Of Nothing At All, and I honest to God thought that he had a sore throat! He sounded in pain! Then, as the night went on, the sore throat disappeared but I don't know

I guess when you hear someone else singing your favourite song of all time when you've always felt those kind of songs were "untouchable" there's a bit of a stigma and biased opinion, especially when you've been told "oh yeah, it's really good!" But that's just my opinion anyway.
Fave song of all time is Anything For Love, not Making Love, btw! In case it sounded like the latter was fave song

18 til i die · 11 Jul 2005, 16:22

I've just listened to the clips. In my opinion they don't even get half way in comparison to how Meat sings them. The guys got a great voice but i soon got bored and listened to ML instead.

Caelan · 11 Jul 2005, 16:34

I think Meats voice is a lot beter to listen at....

ChoccyBat · 11 Jul 2005, 17:48

Not the best. Not a patch on Jim Steinman - his voice has very little musical flexibility. Anything for love is shocking. The band aint bad but he really can't sing.

ChoccyBat · 11 Jul 2005, 17:49

Not the best. Not a patch on Steve Steinman. The guy just cannot sing. Anything for love is shockingly bad!

Sapphire Lady · 11 Jul 2005, 21:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChoccyBat

Not the best. Not a patch on Steve Steinman. The guy just cannot sing. Anything for love is shockingly bad!

I think that's a bit harsh. He's not Meat Loaf and he's not trying to sound like Meat Loaf. He's just singing the song in his own way. He's a brave man to sing a cover of a Meat Loaf song - no one is ever going to prefer his version over the original !!

ChoccyBat · 11 Jul 2005, 22:41

No, I think Steve Steinman is fantastic, and can sing. One of the songs on there - Making Love Out Of Nothing At All - is not a meat song, so by your theory I should be open minded about it. I am not a massive air supply fan, who i think did the original, but i think this version is awful!!! He simply can't sing, simple as that

Tim · 11 Jul 2005, 23:51

Lets not talk about tributes here... allright??

ChoccyBat · 12 Jul 2005, 00:28

er, the thread is about a tribute?? The reply suggested i didn't like him cos he was singing meat songs - i was pointing out that some tributes i really do like - and s steinman is a very very good tribute. But this one, in my opinion, is poor and cannot sing

Kev · 12 Jul 2005, 13:01

I think its complete crap to be honest

What a bit steaming pile of poo. It's disgusting hearing some guy with a really poor voice singing meats songs. Yes, Steinman wrote them, but the majority, Meat made his own.

Listening to this joke pretty much kill meats songs is disgusting, I'm just glad I didn't get to hear this retard singing 'For Crying Out Loud'!

*AndyK* · 12 Jul 2005, 15:33

Rob Evan is NOT a tribute to Meat. The Over The Top shows, featuring Rob Evan, Elaine Caswell, Steve Margoshes etc are a tribute to the music of Jim Steinman. There's a subtle difference.

evil nickname · 12 Jul 2005, 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by icwuke

I think its complete crap to be honest

What a bit steaming pile of poo. It's disgusting hearing some guy with a really poor voice singing meats songs. Yes, Steinman wrote them, but the majority, Meat made his own.

Listening to this joke pretty much kill meats songs is disgusting, I'm just glad I didn't get to hear this retard singing 'For Crying Out Loud'!

And I think you should've thought at least twice before hitting "submit reply" on that. Do you really feel that kind of language was appropriate?

Kev · 12 Jul 2005, 16:46

Childish language? Yes... I'd much rather have put 'bad' language, but respect the rules of the forum.

I work in the music industry, and could pick out every little nasty part of it that is so wrong, but, I'm seeing Meat tonight so all is good.

It's simply rubbish, I know it's not a Meat tribute... but that doesn't make it any less poo! :)

evil nickname · 12 Jul 2005, 20:44

Silly me for thinking that calling someone a retard--while knowing as a "proffesional" within the "music industry" that there is no accounting for taste and that personal preferences are just that--is "bad" enough.

ChoccyBat · 12 Jul 2005, 20:50

Look - we can all tell someone who can't sing. Maybe retard was a harsh word but you do get a strange impression of the bloke from the songs - I agree with the person who said he sounds like he is in pain!!!

At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether he is singing meat loaf, celine dion, or his own stuff - he can't sing and it sounds crap. I can't sing either, so I don't record songs.

evil nickname · 12 Jul 2005, 20:57

You know what... forget it.

ChoccyBat · 12 Jul 2005, 21:05

Okedokey. Its very forgettable anyway :)

White of High · 12 Jul 2005, 21:57

What can I say?
I have a cover of a concert in February.
I don't like the voice of Rob. But I must say he is better now than Meat. Sorry Meat, but I think you can't sing in concert now. Don't throw me with a stone, but I think he is bad. I listened the symphoncic orchestra CD, I saw the DVD and I have to say that's a bullshit. Did you hear For Crying Out Loud by Rob? At the end that high 'C' in 30 seconds? And Meat in this same song? Grhhhhhh... I hope he will be better in studio on Bat3. He should sing more No Matter What what is deeply transponated song. Meat will never be as young as he all right now!

Ma.Ra · 12 Jul 2005, 22:00

Hi friends

Have you ever thought that these could be the reasons for the bad quality of his voice?

<<Please note: All mixes were straight to CD off the live sound board, no remixing or mastering. >>
<<Sound balances on recording are slightly compromised for the sake of the live mix.>>

You can find it on the OTT page.

Honestly, when I listened to the first stream files (64 bit or lower) of the MSO CD, Meats voice was also in a way "terrible" because the compression.

Don't judge a book by its compression

10 Jul 2005, 11:30	#1
Invocation Rookie Join Date: 07.07.2003 Posts: 13	Over The Top - Opinions / Comments Thought I'd bring this subject up as no one to my knowledge seems to have mentioned it yet. I just wondered what everyones opinions were, particularly with a few of the tracks now available for download. Don't get me wrong, Meat does it better than anybody else, but these performances are pretty hot. Rob Evan has an outstanding voice, Elaine Caswell is a goddess, Margoshes is king on piano, all that's missing is a better band as it does seem to lack a certain amount of production. http://www.overthetopinfo.com/pages/11/index.htm

12 Jul 2005, 13:01	#16
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,857	I think its complete crap to be honest What a bit steaming pile of poo. It's disgusting hearing some guy with a really poor voice singing meats songs. Yes, Steinman wrote them, but the majority, Meat made his own. Listening to this joke pretty much kill meats songs is disgusting, I'm just glad I didn't get to hear this retard singing 'For Crying Out Loud'! Last edited by Kev; 12 Jul 2005 at 13:06. Reason: Listened to more of them

12 Jul 2005, 21:05	#23
ChoccyBat Yorkie Join Date: 27.07.2002 Location: York Posts: 415	Okedokey. Its very forgettable anyway :) Last edited by ChoccyBat; 12 Jul 2005 at 21:36.

10 Jul 2005, 12:19	#2
Bat out of Friesland Junior Loafer Join Date: 06.07.2005 Location: Surhuisterveen, North of Holland Posts: 48	Well, I like Meat Loaf more. Cause I think original is much better than a cover. Greets, Henderikus

10 Jul 2005, 13:25	#3
Alex Ooh weee ooOOoh! Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: In the Land of the Manc's Posts: 445	I really enjoyed the simplistic take on the production which I'm presuming won't stick anyway. I love piano solos and Pray Lewd was the best of the bunch for me. With regards to the production, Rinckoff mentioned those were raw cuts, to we can't really comment too much on that. They were all good versions and many nice little bits in each. When truth be told though, Meat Loaf's versions are the best for me - though I'm 50/50 with Read Em And Weep and will have to wait for a full version to decide. For a little bit more info for those who don't have it. They are a cover band which seems to have the blessing of Jim Steinman (and he was at one of their concerts if puddings are needing for proof).

10 Jul 2005, 21:06	#5
Michel Mega Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Stadskanaal, The Netherlands Posts: 1,631	I think it's sounds a little bit like the albums. They just sing the albumsongs. They are not performing, not doing the songs there own way, I miss the character. I think Meat is the best to do those songs.

10 Jul 2005, 21:08	#6
Tim The Butcher Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Westervoort, The Netherlands Posts: 10,321	There is a topic about this, i remember..... Got the album it is great!!!

11 Jul 2005, 11:45	#7
needmoremeat Mega Loafer Join Date: 23.11.2003 Location: Sunderland, UK Posts: 1,416	OK, I've just managed to get to the site somehow to get the clips. First one I got was Making Love Out Of Nothing At All, and I honest to God thought that he had a sore throat! He sounded in pain! Then, as the night went on, the sore throat disappeared but I don't know I guess when you hear someone else singing your favourite song of all time when you've always felt those kind of songs were "untouchable" there's a bit of a stigma and biased opinion, especially when you've been told "oh yeah, it's really good!" But that's just my opinion anyway. Fave song of all time is Anything For Love, not Making Love, btw! In case it sounded like the latter was fave song

11 Jul 2005, 16:22	#8
18 til i die Rookie Join Date: 20.03.2004 Location: Somerset, UK Posts: 21	I've just listened to the clips. In my opinion they don't even get half way in comparison to how Meat sings them. The guys got a great voice but i soon got bored and listened to ML instead.

11 Jul 2005, 16:34	#9
Caelan life is one big adventure Join Date: 23.06.2005 Location: some town in Alberta called Leduc Posts: 5,550	I think Meats voice is a lot beter to listen at....

11 Jul 2005, 17:48	#10
ChoccyBat Yorkie Join Date: 27.07.2002 Location: York Posts: 415	Not the best. Not a patch on Jim Steinman - his voice has very little musical flexibility. Anything for love is shocking. The band aint bad but he really can't sing.

11 Jul 2005, 17:49	#11
ChoccyBat Yorkie Join Date: 27.07.2002 Location: York Posts: 415	Not the best. Not a patch on Steve Steinman. The guy just cannot sing. Anything for love is shockingly bad!

11 Jul 2005, 22:41	#13
ChoccyBat Yorkie Join Date: 27.07.2002 Location: York Posts: 415	No, I think Steve Steinman is fantastic, and can sing. One of the songs on there - Making Love Out Of Nothing At All - is not a meat song, so by your theory I should be open minded about it. I am not a massive air supply fan, who i think did the original, but i think this version is awful!!! He simply can't sing, simple as that

11 Jul 2005, 23:51	#14
Tim The Butcher Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Westervoort, The Netherlands Posts: 10,321	Lets not talk about tributes here... allright??

12 Jul 2005, 00:28	#15
ChoccyBat Yorkie Join Date: 27.07.2002 Location: York Posts: 415	er, the thread is about a tribute?? The reply suggested i didn't like him cos he was singing meat songs - i was pointing out that some tributes i really do like - and s steinman is a very very good tribute. But this one, in my opinion, is poor and cannot sing

12 Jul 2005, 15:33	#17
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Rob Evan is NOT a tribute to Meat. The Over The Top shows, featuring Rob Evan, Elaine Caswell, Steve Margoshes etc are a tribute to the music of Jim Steinman. There's a subtle difference.

12 Jul 2005, 16:46	#19
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,857	Childish language? Yes... I'd much rather have put 'bad' language, but respect the rules of the forum. I work in the music industry, and could pick out every little nasty part of it that is so wrong, but, I'm seeing Meat tonight so all is good. It's simply rubbish, I know it's not a Meat tribute... but that doesn't make it any less poo! :)

12 Jul 2005, 20:44	#20
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	Silly me for thinking that calling someone a retard--while knowing as a "proffesional" within the "music industry" that there is no accounting for taste and that personal preferences are just that--is "bad" enough.

12 Jul 2005, 20:50	#21
ChoccyBat Yorkie Join Date: 27.07.2002 Location: York Posts: 415	Look - we can all tell someone who can't sing. Maybe retard was a harsh word but you do get a strange impression of the bloke from the songs - I agree with the person who said he sounds like he is in pain!!! At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether he is singing meat loaf, celine dion, or his own stuff - he can't sing and it sounds crap. I can't sing either, so I don't record songs.

12 Jul 2005, 20:57	#22
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	You know what... forget it.

12 Jul 2005, 21:57	#24
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	What can I say? I have a cover of a concert in February. I don't like the voice of Rob. But I must say he is better now than Meat. Sorry Meat, but I think you can't sing in concert now. Don't throw me with a stone, but I think he is bad. I listened the symphoncic orchestra CD, I saw the DVD and I have to say that's a bullshit. Did you hear For Crying Out Loud by Rob? At the end that high 'C' in 30 seconds? And Meat in this same song? Grhhhhhh... I hope he will be better in studio on Bat3. He should sing more No Matter What what is deeply transponated song. Meat will never be as young as he all right now!

12 Jul 2005, 22:00	#25
Ma.Ra Trekkie Join Date: 25.07.2004 Location: in the middle of nowhere Posts: 863	Hi friends Have you ever thought that these could be the reasons for the bad quality of his voice? <<Please note: All mixes were straight to CD off the live sound board, no remixing or mastering. >> <<Sound balances on recording are slightly compromised for the sake of the live mix.>> You can find it on the OTT page. Honestly, when I listened to the first stream files (64 bit or lower) of the MSO CD, Meats voice was also in a way "terrible" because the compression. Don't judge a book by its compression