Dream Engine

[JGrayland]

i heard this too and i believe it. he/she asked meat directly about "Body" and Meat responded in expletive form. but it doesnt make clear whether meat just doesnt like the song, or was upset someone else sang it first. either way, it wont be on Bat 3, and the album is the poorer for it, because it was a true original, nothing previously from a musical or another album (remember, even on bat 2 there were only 4 "new" songs), and a great one at that.

[mariella]

Originally Posted by JGrayland

i heard this too and i believe it. he/she asked meat directly about "Body" and Meat responded in expletive form. but it doesnt make clear whether meat just doesnt like the song, or was upset someone else sang it first. either way, it wont be on Bat 3, and the album is the poorer for it, because it was a true original, nothing previously from a musical or another album (remember, even on bat 2 there were only 4 "new" songs), and a great one at that.

Hi!

Can you tell why you are sure it will not be on BatIII? I am afraid it won't be - and that thought alone is not nice...but are you sure? Or is this speculating?

Love,
Mariella

[JGrayland]

Because why would Meat do a song he doesnt like? Especially since Jim isn't producing and not even writing all of the songs on the album? Perhaps if Jim was as hands on as he was for the first 2, he would be able to convince meat how great a song it is, but since thats not the case, it wouldnt make any sense for either meat or jim to have the song on there. if meat doesnt like it, jim will find someone who will, and meat will find a song he does like to take its place. everyone wins, except for the fans who have heard one of the OTT versions and (like me) would be thrilled to hear meat sing it, with a full production and, knowing jim, probably a longer version too (since the version we have heard only has one verse and a bridge).

[Ankie]

I am afraid that until now everything about WPOMB is based on rumours. So whatever could have happened about it, is pure speculation. Nothing wrong with sharing your thoughts about it, but please:
do not take them for facts!!

The only thing that IS a fact though, is that the majority of the fans would love to have it on BAT 3

Didn't appear No Matter What on The Very Best as well as being recorded by another band...... Remember that story? Which makes me keep dreaming about WPOMB on Bat3 until I see the actual release.....

[Pudding]

There's actually NO song that we know of that for definite, that either is or isn't on Bat3(working title ) Even Only When I Feel, although Meat saying it's on Bat3(working title ) at his last shows, is rumoured NOT to be on Bat3(working title ) So WPOMB has a good chance as any to actually be on the album. Saying that, so has Total Eclipse Of The Heart, Holding Out For A Hero and If You Were A Woman (And I Was A Man)

Pud

[rockfenris2005]

This is gonna sound totally random, but I wouldn't mind hearing a cover of PURE IMAGINATION from Willy Wonka LOL

[Bart]

Have you ehard the soundtrack from the Choclate factory? it is awesome. it is Steinmanlike.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by Bart

Have you ehard the soundtrack from the Choclate factory? it is awesome. it is Steinmanlike.

No offence Bart, but it's posts like this which why some of your posts can't be taken seriously

Pud

[rockfenris2005]

from the Rockman:

BOLERO
ANGELS ARISE (partial)
SAFE SEX
OBJECTS IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR
IF IT AIN'T BROKE (BREAK IT)
MAMMA, TOMORROW WE LEARN TO DIE (Spoken)
BRAVER THAN WE ARE (New Version)
TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE HEART (performed by BONNIE TYLER)
WHAT PART OF MY BODY HURTS THE MOST?
THE FUTURE AIN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE
WE'RE STILL THE CHILDREN (WE WERE THEN)
SPEAKING IN TONGUES
LOVING YOU IS A DIRTY JOB (Bonnie & Rob)
NOT ALLOWED TO LOVE
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

[PanicLord]

Cool - what a fantastic setlist - and Bonnie Tyler too! I can't wait until the CD "soundtrack" or whatever the appropriate word is is released. There's a couple of song names I have not seen before - candidates for Bat 3 I hope!

[JGrayland]

Dream Engine was a pretty good show. Bonnie Tyler came the first night and did Total Eclipse and Loving You. Rob did a great job with some of the newer Jim songs. There was another male vocalist who wasnt very good at all though. If you are a die-hard Jim fan, there was really only one new song, called We're Still The Children, which to me sounded like a great piano album closer much like Lost Girls was (and indeed, has a certain Neverland feel to it). I hope this song is on Bat 3.

There is another performance in March, if you can, i recommend it as it's probably the only time you will ever see a lot of these songs performed live.

And hey, maybe instead of Bonnie, Meat will show and bring the place down with a Steinman "live" rarity like More Than You Deserve or perhaps For Crying Out Loud (which Rob attempted but missed a few lyrics, )

[mariella]

Originally Posted by JGrayland

Dream Engine was a pretty good show. Bonnie Tyler came the first night and did Total Eclipse and Loving You. Rob did a great job with some of the newer Jim songs. There was another male vocalist who wasnt very good at all though. If you are a die-hard Jim fan, there was really only one new song, called We're Still The Children, which to me sounded like a great piano album closer much like Lost Girls was (and indeed, has a certain Neverland feel to it). I hope this song is on Bat 3.

There is another performance in March, if you can, i recommend it as it's probably the only time you will ever see a lot of these songs performed live.

And hey, maybe instead of Bonnie, Meat will show and bring the place down with a Steinman "live" rarity like More Than You Deserve or perhaps For Crying Out Loud (which Rob attempted but missed a few lyrics, )

Thank you for the review...must admit, am a Meat-fan, but have been waiting for a review, and it is sure putting a smile to my face, to know you all had such a ball!

Now, as expexted - coming from a person like myself lol, I would love to know some more, like 'was Jim Present?'...an If he was 'did any of you ask him about Bat3'...if so how did he react...

I am also very curios to know what you thought of Body at the concert, and if any of you talked to anyone 'who is in the know-position' (like Jim for example) about that song!?

Love,
Mariella

[JGrayland]

jim was there but even if i thought to, i wouldnt have asked him about bat 3. it wasnt a night for bat 3, it was a night for dream engine. i simply said hello and shook his hand and that was that. from what i understand, he wasnt very talkative to anyone.

i like the new body OK enough, it would take a lot for me to dislike that particular song. i do not like the new arrangement much. in parts it is great, but for the most part it is way too synthesized for my taste, like a bad remix. the mohegan version was much better (tho Rob has improved his vocal, and his overall stage presence, in my opinion. since then).

[mariella]

Originally Posted by JGrayland

jim was there but even if i thought to, i wouldnt have asked him about bat 3. it wasnt a night for bat 3, it was a night for dream engine. i simply said hello and shook his hand and that was that. from what i understand, he wasnt very talkative to anyone.

i like the new body OK enough, it would take a lot for me to dislike that particular song. i do not like the new arrangement much. in parts it is great, but for the most part it is way too synthesized for my taste, like a bad remix. the mohegan version was much better (tho Rob has improved his vocal, and his overall stage presence, in my opinion. since then).

Thank you - I understand about not bothering Jim with questions...but you do understand I Had to ask lol

Good to know some more about Body, no matter who will eventually record the single version, think we all agree it does have huge hit-potential...glad you had such a wonderful weekend!

Love,
Mariella

[vrg]

I have a ticket for the 7PM show tomorrow, March 24th. I shall give a report here afterwards. Bonnie Tyler is listed as returning...needless to say, I was hoping it was someone else..
I'll keep my ears open to gossip, etc.

[AndyK]

Enjoy it! Looking forward to hearing all about it.

[vrg]

It was obvious from the start that these Dream Engine performances are meant to be love-ins for Jim Steinman. The crowd at this show on the 24th was noisily pro-Jim, as I imagine the 25th will be also, whether or not Jim intended that result. He sat at a table near the rear of the main table area in front of the tiny stage, and there was little question that the stroke he had affected him still, as he sat heavily and did not leave that seat for the entire performance.

Joe’s Pub is a small eating pub with a supposed capacity of 150. This number of people would have to be jammed everywhere to fit. The place was not full – I’d say about 75 or so were there. I didn’t hear any gossip or comments; it was definitely as I mentioned a love-in for Jim – and later, Bonnie Tyler. There was an announcement about no photographing, and I saw no flashes go off.

My motivation in attending the Dream Engine performance came from a couple of angles: as an intense Meat Loaf admirer who wanted to hear the works of the composer who created Bat1, and as an unbiased (try to be, anyway) listener hearing how the singers performed with my history of six years of classical voice training kicking in an analytical viewpoint (yes, I like American Idol, OK ).

The first song got me started quickly: ‘Is Nothing Sacred’ was performed well by Rob Evan. This is the first time I’ve heard Rob in live performance and I could see why he has been successful on Broadway. His light to medium tenor was pleasant enough. This was a tough song with which to begin the evening – vocally, it would be like Meat starting his show with FCOL He did do it well, the end better than the beginning, but I definitely missed Meat’s heavier, more intensely passionate voice.

The setlist is different from the February shows (evidently). I am not familiar with any of Jim’s work outside of Bat 1, Bat 2, and the hits from Air Supply, Bonnie Tyler and Celine Dion, so please bear with me if I mess up some titles. Adrienne Warren next beautifully sang ‘Is there Anything Left to Hold Onto’ (title?); she is quite popular with the crowd, and deservedly so.

There was a short instrumental selection next, then all the soloists went into ‘If It Ain’t Broke (Break It)’, an interesting, emotional piece. Then ‘Only When I Feel’ came next. The arrangements to “Is Nothing Sacred’ and ‘Only When I Feel’ are, of course, quite different from Meat’s and it made comparisons more difficult to make. Steve Margoshes evidently did all the arrangements for these shows and they were tailor-made for the soloist involved.

Rob and Elaine Caswell next did ‘There were Times We Had It All’; it was well done, but I couldn’t help thinking how that would sound with Meat and Patti. Adrienne sailed through ‘When It Comes to Loving You’, and then a familiar band introduction started: ‘Objects’ was next. Neal Coomer did the first part, and Rob did the second part. It was very different to hear it done this way. Neal’s voice type is a lot like Russell Hitchcock’s from Air Supply; Rob’s voice is definitely heavier and without so high a top. Comparing these two different sounds and timbres to Meat’s…Meat wins but it was still interesting to hear other voices and arrangements with this song.

Rob then read a poem that was definitely anti-war, ‘Mamma, Tomorrow We Learn To Die’ and then the group did ‘We Always’ (title?), with an ending ‘Say A Prayer’. It was quite effective; looks like Jim is still philosophically in the 60’s and anti-war again.

Elaine Caswell next did Celine Dion’s hit, ‘It’s All Coming Back to Me’, and according to Caswell’s bio, she originated this song before Celine got it. Her familiarity with it was apparent. A rousing rendition of ‘Not Allowed To Love’ by Neal, Adrienne and Elaine followed, and then Bonnie Tyler was introduced.

The crowd went crazy when she came out. (Makes one wonder what would have happened if Meat had been a surprise guest!?) She looked great – long blonde hair, slim, face done well (oops, a little meow here ) and she launched into ‘Total Eclipse of the Heart’ with tons of enthusiasm. The crowd moved with her. She wisely doesn’t try for the super-high notes anymore, but did amazing well on the ones she did. I expected her voice to be far worse than it was at this show.

Rob next did ‘What Part of My Body Hurts the Most’. He did it well, so I tried to listen with the recent forum debate about this song in mind: how does it suit Meat? Being an emotional, passionate ballad, it of course suits him well, but I still think FCOL is a better ‘fit’, with ‘Left in the Dark’ a close second.

I was quickly spooked-out with the band intro to the next song, ‘Two Out of Three…’. I was very surprised that this was selected without Meat, although I feel it would have been far worse to have brought out ‘Anything For Love’. The arrangement was different and quite suitable for Rob, but I was still very uncomfortable with its use.

Rob then introduced Stephen Rinkov and then Jim. The crowd really went nuts with Jim’s intro, and were on their feet yelling. He nodded but did not get up.

The show ended with ‘We’re Still The Children (We Were Then)’, a harmonic emotional song done by the entire group. This was introduced as one of Jim’s latest compositions.

I noticed a line of people waiting to see Jim at his table. I saw him talking and smiling and easily shaking hands. He is getting the praise he deserves for his great compositions.

[Ben]

We’re Still The Children (We Were Then)


maybe a bat 3 song?

who knows?

[L96]

Thank you for the review, vrg.

I find it interesting to compare with the reviews on another board-which-shall-remain-nameless.

All in all, it sounds like a great show last night!

[rockfenris2005]

Here's the setlist, just to confirm:

1. Is Nothing Sacred
2. The Future Ain't What It Used To Be
3. Great Bolero's Of Fire
4. Only When I Feel
5. Loving You's A Dirty Job But Somebody's Got To Do It
6. Safe Sex
7. Objects In The Rear View Mirror May Appear Closer Than They Are
8. An American Elegy
9. It's All Coming Back To Me Now
10. Not Allowed To Love
11. Total Eclipse Of The Heart (w/ Bonnie Tyler)
12. What Part Of My Body Hurt's The Most
13. Two Out Of Three A'int Bad
14. Still The Children: A Requiem

A member at the Steinman board commented that Still The Children was, originally, intended for Meat and BAT 3. Meat, for some reason, didn't accept the song (I don't even know if THAT'S true) and Jim re-wrote as a counterpoint for a considerable number of voices.

But I'm telling you now, THAT song is the best I've ever heard come out of Steinman's music since AFL & Objects in the Rear View Mirror

It never fails to blow me away everytime I hear it

There will be 2 CD releases this year: BAT OUT OF HELL 3 and THE DREAM ENGINE. If you don't like BAT 3, get DREAM ENGINE. Likewise, reverse

I'm happy. Very happy

[Bart]

Is it a reaal gossip about The Chlidren. The song is great, I don't believe Meat didn't accept this song. What is the other new song: An American Elegy?

[rockfenris2005]

Tomorrow we Learn to Die + Always it's the War (the anti-war remake of Braver Than we Are)

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Pudding

'Some member' and 'lead to believe' doesn't convince me (and I doubt many others) that this event actually took place.

Pud

There are others who were there that claimed the event simply did not happen as reported.

hummmmm

With all the love there ever was...

David

[rockfenris2005]

I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't either. Meat probably wanted the song then Steinman snatched it. Meat being the poor b*gger had to defend himself from looking like an idiot

[Louise]

I can't believe you said Elaine covered "Celine Dion's Song"

Shame on you!

Louise x