Infraction System - Page 2

Pudding · 20 Nov 2006, 01:59

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Originally Posted by Paul191

COOL! I have an infraction!

I wonder what that was for..........Hmmmmmmmm.......

For not polishing your jackboots probably

Pud

samurai7 · 20 Nov 2006, 03:00

So let me get this straight... If I decide that I want to add something to a previous (old) thread, I'd be accused of 'bumping', so therefore it would be better for me to START A NEW THREAD, only for the mods to say "A thread on this topic already exists" and the merge them ?!?!

I don't get it...

L96 · 20 Nov 2006, 07:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul191

COOL! I have an infraction!

Oh, you pratt, you beat me to it.

On a side note: are we allowed to raffle off/list on Ebay, our points?

**The Flying Mouse** · 20 Nov 2006, 10:30

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Originally Posted by Jayd

Can I ask, if I may, 5.Insulting other members, 15 points, 30 days

7.Insulting or threatening a staff member - 20 points, 60 days.

Why is there a difference here? Are we all not the same? To me. I will abide by this and will follow the rules. It isn't right to insult anyone. But isn't it only fair that you should get the same amount of time, whoever the abuse is aimed at. 20 Points, 60 days for everyone.

I believe this is basically because staff members are more likely to recieve abuse than the average member.
The whole reason for having mods is to have them interject when people go too far.
As some people don't like it when you tell them they're in the wrong, you can get a flak load of abuse for the most routine matter.

One day I intend to write a book blowing the lid on what a mod has to deal with.

One catch - they'll have to sell it in the fiction department, because no ****** will believe it

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Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

R. You say it will show up on your profile, does that mean others will see it too or is it strictly for your eyes only just out of curiosity?

YOU will see infraction points on your OWN profile.
Nobody else will see your infraction points except for the staff members.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul191

COOL! I have an infraction!

I wonder what that was for..........Hmmmmmmmm.......

Check your PM's.

If an infraction is issued you will automatically receive a PM from the staff member who issued it explaining why it was given.

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Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

So let me get this straight... If I decide that I want to add something to a previous (old) thread, I'd be accused of 'bumping', so therefore it would be better for me to START A NEW THREAD, only for the mods to say "A thread on this topic already exists" and the merge them ?!?!

I don't get it...

This I believe is down to common sence.

If there is a thread "How did you become a fan", then obviously you have something new and relevant to add to the thread.

Likewise, in Trye Tracks & Broken Hearts, an opinion on a song from a new member is welcomed as it is something new

Couple of examples of "bad bumping"...........

A 4 yr old thread containing a review is bumped for...........

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Bad Bumper

WOW, great review.

A 2 yr old thread asking the release date on a movie is bumped for......

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Originally Posted by Barry Bad Bumper

It were released 2 days after you posted that.

A 5 yr old thread asking (and answering) "what did Meat eat for breakfast on 20/08/83? is bumped for...........

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Originally Posted by Barry Bad Bumper

Thanks for the info.

You get the picture on this.

If it is a thread where you have something new and relevant to add, I can't see it being a problem.

If you browse old threads, and bring the thread back from the dead just to say "Great review" "Thanks for the info" or (god forbid) "CHSIB" THAT is when it is unwanted bumping, as is answering questions posted years ago (even if they went unanswered).

*AndyK* · 20 Nov 2006, 10:45

This is not about having a stalinist regime here, despite what some of you may think. The system set up is an aid to making the running of this site quicker and easier for those involved, and also more consistent for the forum users. Common sense will prevail at the end of the day and with any luck the system will be rarely used anyway ... unless people continue to constantly and deliberately provoke things.

Please bear in mind we are governed by the laws of the country in which this site is hosted, which are more than likely different to the laws you are used to, as such there are some issues with this site and it's content that aren't experienced elsewhere.

MeatGrl1 · 20 Nov 2006, 11:06

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Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

YOU will see infraction points on your OWN profile.
Nobody else will see your infraction points except for the staff members.

Thank's for clearing that up.
I don't have one I was just curious.

Deb · 20 Nov 2006, 11:11

What counts as thread hijacking? I don't do staying on topic to well

and what one mod may see as ok another may not.

Deb

*AndyK* · 20 Nov 2006, 11:14

Hope fully Deb with this system we can level up any inconsistencies with the way that we mods act too ... as for staying on topic/thread hijacking I'm as guilty as you for not being able to do that too well, again it's a common sense thing really ...

LucyK! · 20 Nov 2006, 11:15

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Originally Posted by AndyK

... again it's a common sense thing really ...

Could be interesting...

R. · 20 Nov 2006, 19:47

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Originally Posted by mszee

I accept all the rules and promise to behave in a ummm...more acceptable manner...scout's honor!!!

There are no new rules, let alone new mods, except the thread hijacking and bumping. Relax.

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Originally Posted by Jayd

Can I ask, if I may, 5.Insulting other members, 15 points, 30 days

7.Insulting or threatening a staff member - 20 points, 60 days.

Why is there a difference here? Are we all not the same? To me. I will abide by this and will follow the rules. It isn't right to insult anyone. But isn't it only fair that you should get the same amount of time, whoever the abuse is aimed at. 20 Points, 60 days for everyone.

Ok, we will consider this.

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Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

R. You say it will show up on your profile, does that mean others will see it too or is it strictly for your eyes only just out of curiosity?

No, only staff and you can see your infractions

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Originally Posted by Son Of Meat Loaf

So let me get this straight... If I decide that I want to add something to a previous (old) thread, I'd be accused of 'bumping', so therefore it would be better for me to START A NEW THREAD, only for the mods to say "A thread on this topic already exists" and the merge them ?!?!

I don't get it...

This is done for two reasons. First is the load on the database server. Each post with a certain age is stored twice in our database. One copy is completely parsed and rendered into html, the other one is just regular, with vbcodes, exactly like you posted it. This is done for performance reasons, because displaying a pre-parsed thread is way faster than parsing and displaying a thread. So, if you bump an old thread, first thing that happens is pre-parsing of that thread. And if you bump a large thread (> 1000 replies), it puts a significant load on the db server and thus slowing down the whole website. Secondly, bumping a thread which is a few years old, might just irritate people so that they draw wrong conclusions. On the other hand, you'll have to bump 10 old threads to pass the 1st limit, so relax. If a thread has been resting for more than a year, consider starting a new one. And if we merge it, then so be it, no problem.

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Originally Posted by L96

Oh, you pratt, you beat me to it.

On a side note: are we allowed to raffle off/list on Ebay, our points?

Check PM for your infraction.

And yes, you may sell them there, but you are not allowed to link to that auction.

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Originally Posted by Deb

What counts as thread hijacking? I don't do staying on topic to well

and what one mod may see as ok another may not.

Deb

Well, if you would have posted something like "This thread is now about sharks." and have added a ton of your personal shark pictures here, then this would qualify as a thread hijack. Example thread.

L96 · 20 Nov 2006, 20:28

Oh goody! Thank you R!

Start scouring Ebay, guys.

Pudding · 20 Nov 2006, 21:42

I still think it's a load of bolloxs (Oooops 10 points) and is put in place not to aid the forum at all, but to give the gods, sorry mods (Oooops 20 points) a false sense of power and something to do.

I know I'm speaking for quite a few people when I say that perhaps the admin (R.) should sort out his mods first before incurring penalties on the members. Because lets be honest about it, some of them are f*cking sh!t and don't deserve to be a mod at all.

I have no idea how many points that lot is worth, I'm sure I'll get a PM telling me though

Pud

L96 · 20 Nov 2006, 21:46

Incidentally, what's a death threat to a non-mod member worth?

samurai7 · 20 Nov 2006, 21:51

so we still can't say f*ck sh1t or c*nt!?

R. · 20 Nov 2006, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

I still think it's a load of bolloxs (Oooops 10 points) and is put in place not to aid the forum at all, but to give the gods, sorry mods (Oooops 20 points) a false sense of power and something to do.

I know I'm speaking for quite a few people when I say that perhaps the admin (R.) should sort out his mods first before incurring penalties on the members. Because lets be honest about it, some of them are f*cking sh!t and don't deserve to be a mod at all.

I have no idea how many points that lot is worth, I'm sure I'll get a PM telling me though

Pud

I could as well say that your post is the same load of bollocks, because nothing has changed. The penalties have been there before and the moderation powers didn't change. The only thing that's gone, is the randomness.

Regarding your comment regarding our choice of mods, feel free to PM me with your concerns, but try to forget about your personal issues with them first.

Pudding · 20 Nov 2006, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.

I could as well say that your post is the same load of bollocks

I hope you've given yourself 10 points for swearing

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.

Regarding your comment regarding our choice of mods, feel free to PM me with your concerns, but try to forget about your personal issues with them first.

I know you're gonna object, but I might as well say it anyway, could we have a public poll on the mods, who's the better ones and who isn't?. And the bottom two get booted, and if necessary replacements made. You could call it Survivor: Mods Island

Pud

R. · 20 Nov 2006, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I hope you've given yourself 10 points for swearing

Would it suprise you that the software doesn't allow that? Guess it's by design. Bribe Chris, he probably can award me some points.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

I know you're gonna object, but I might as well say it anyway, could we have a public poll on the mods, who's the better ones and who isn't?. And the bottom two get booted, and if necessary replacements made. You could call it Survivor: Mods Island

Pud

As you already said, I can't do that.

Deb · 20 Nov 2006, 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.

Well, if you would have posted something like "This thread is now about sharks." and have added a ton of your personal shark pictures here, then this would qualify as a thread hijack. Example thread.

I think i'd best just be a bit quieter then lol as I just read that thread and saw it more as a natural progression of convo rather than thread hijacking

Deb

PS Don't be giving me points for going OT now please, but glad to see the Avator back

R. · 20 Nov 2006, 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

I think i'd best just be a bit quieter then lol as I just read that thread and saw it more as a natural progression of convo rather than thread hijacking

There are worse examples, I was just too lazy to do a thorough search.

Again, you'd need to derail 10 threads in a row and get points for all of them to even notice the influence ot the inraction system.

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Originally Posted by Deb

PS Don't be giving me points now please, but glad to see the Avator back

I'll take that as a compliment.

Deb · 20 Nov 2006, 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.

There are worse examples, I was just too lazy to do a thorough search.

Again, you'd need to derail 10 threads in a row and get points for all of them to even notice the influence ot the inraction system

So does the software pick up that you swear / go OT / Hijack a thread etc ? I'm confused

Quote:

I'll take that as a compliment.

Ah but is that a pic of you or the other one

hehe

*AndyK* · 20 Nov 2006, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

So does the software pick up that you swear / go OT / Hijack a thread etc ? I'm confused

No it's not automatic ...

R. · 20 Nov 2006, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

So does the software pick up that you swear / go OT / Hijack a thread etc ? I'm confused

No way, the mods decide about that.

L96 · 20 Nov 2006, 22:44

So basically, nothing has changed whatsoever, it's just the mods have guidelines of demerit points for offences, rather than threatening/issuing bans immeditely, yes?

R. · 20 Nov 2006, 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by L96

So basically, nothing has changed whatsoever, it's just the mods have guidelines of demerit points for offences, rather than threatening/issuing bans immeditely, yes?

That sums it up pretty well.

*AndyK* · 20 Nov 2006, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by L96

So basically, nothing has changed whatsoever, it's just the mods have guidelines of demerit points for offences, rather than threatening/issuing bans immeditely, yes?

Yes, more consistency that's all it gives.

20 Nov 2006, 03:00	#27
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	So let me get this straight... If I decide that I want to add something to a previous (old) thread, I'd be accused of 'bumping', so therefore it would be better for me to START A NEW THREAD, only for the mods to say "A thread on this topic already exists" and the merge them ?!?! I don't get it...

20 Nov 2006, 10:45	#30
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	This is not about having a stalinist regime here, despite what some of you may think. The system set up is an aid to making the running of this site quicker and easier for those involved, and also more consistent for the forum users. Common sense will prevail at the end of the day and with any luck the system will be rarely used anyway ... unless people continue to constantly and deliberately provoke things. Please bear in mind we are governed by the laws of the country in which this site is hosted, which are more than likely different to the laws you are used to, as such there are some issues with this site and it's content that aren't experienced elsewhere.

20 Nov 2006, 11:11	#32
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	What counts as thread hijacking? I don't do staying on topic to well and what one mod may see as ok another may not. Deb

20 Nov 2006, 11:14	#33
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Hope fully Deb with this system we can level up any inconsistencies with the way that we mods act too ... as for staying on topic/thread hijacking I'm as guilty as you for not being able to do that too well, again it's a common sense thing really ...

20 Nov 2006, 20:28	#36
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	Oh goody! Thank you R! Start scouring Ebay, guys.

20 Nov 2006, 21:42	#37
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I still think it's a load of bolloxs (Oooops 10 points) and is put in place not to aid the forum at all, but to give the gods, sorry mods (Oooops 20 points) a false sense of power and something to do. I know I'm speaking for quite a few people when I say that perhaps the admin (R.) should sort out his mods first before incurring penalties on the members. Because lets be honest about it, some of them are f*cking sh!t and don't deserve to be a mod at all. I have no idea how many points that lot is worth, I'm sure I'll get a PM telling me though Pud

20 Nov 2006, 21:46	#38
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	Incidentally, what's a death threat to a non-mod member worth?

20 Nov 2006, 21:51	#39
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	so we still can't say fck sh1t or cnt!?

20 Nov 2006, 22:44	#48
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	So basically, nothing has changed whatsoever, it's just the mods have guidelines of demerit points for offences, rather than threatening/issuing bans immeditely, yes?