Behind a grain of sand

daveake · 15 Aug 2009, 23:45

Amazing ... view the "HD" option.

YouTube Video

AndrewG · 16 Aug 2009, 00:04

The universe is ridiculously large. To think that whole galaxies are moving away from us faster than the speed of light is almost incrompehensible (ie if you could travel at that speed you would still never catch up, even if you had 45 billion years to try). Insane. One thing I am pretty sure about though is that there definitely is some kind of other life form out there. Whether we will ever see or find it I'm not sure and probably not. The distances are just too vast.
There are even theories that outside of the universe there are other unverses or that the universe is one big bubble which expands and then collapses back to a point of singularity.
Crazy shit.

Pudding · 16 Aug 2009, 01:11

The fact that there's all those galaxies in the area of a grain of sand at arms length, and each galaxy has thousands of stars, and no doubt each star has a number of planets orbitting it, has me concluding that indeed we are not alone.

duke knooby · 16 Aug 2009, 01:54

goes to show the importance of cleaning the lens on the telescope on a regular basis

i'm pretty sure there's better things to waste money on than that

Pudding · 16 Aug 2009, 02:09

Why is it a waste?

duke knooby · 16 Aug 2009, 02:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

Why is it a waste?

what do we expect to achieve through this research?

Pudding · 16 Aug 2009, 02:18

If we never did any research we'd have achieved nothing through history.
I'd rather $Billions be wasted on finding out how it all started than $Billions wasted on finding out how better we can blow the shit out of each other.

Lord Kagan · 16 Aug 2009, 02:24

or spending billions on me....

duke knooby · 16 Aug 2009, 02:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

I'd rather $Billions be wasted on finding out how it all started than $Billions wasted on finding out how better we can blow the shit out of each other.

i'd rathers billions weren't wasted, but i'm slightly amused to see you're interested to find out how all it all started... thats almost religious sounding

AndrewG · 16 Aug 2009, 02:32

Also you often hear it is a waste to spend so much on this and that, especially when it comes to things related to NASA and space exploration. Most of the money gives people jobs and hence they can earn a living etc. I'm with Pud on this, it's a much better industry rather than the weapon industry. In 2006 $1.15 trillion was spent in the international arms industry wheras the total Nasa budget to date (since 1958 ) hasn't even reached half of that!!!!

Pudding · 16 Aug 2009, 02:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by duke knooby

but i'm slightly amused to see you're interested to find out how all it all started... thats almost religious sounding

Why is it religious sounding. Knowing how things started and were created on a scientific level would refute most religions as being nothing more than utter bullshit.

Believing something with no proof or evidence is what religion is all about, finding proof or evidence before drawing upon a conclusion cannot be religion.

duke knooby · 16 Aug 2009, 02:39

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Believing something with no proof or evidence is what religion is all about, finding proof or evidence before drawing upon a conclusion cannot be religion.

exactly, so why waste billions searching for proof or evidence of how life started???

AndrewG · 16 Aug 2009, 02:41

Honestly these "billions" are SOOO insignificant in comparison to how much money has been pumped into all the economies over the last two years. It's like a grain of sand itself. This is a debate about hardly anything imo....

Pudding · 16 Aug 2009, 02:50

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Originally Posted by duke knooby

exactly, so why waste billions searching for proof or evidence of how life started???

Not exactly at all. To find that proof or evidence you need to do experiments which require building large pieces of equipment like the Large Hadron Collider, Hubble Telescope and the soon to be launched James Webb Space Telescope. If I was religious I'd need no proof, I am not and therefor would like some.

Lord Kagan · 16 Aug 2009, 02:55

im great

duke knooby · 16 Aug 2009, 02:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

Not exactly at all. To find that proof or evidence you need to do experiments which require building large pieces of equipment like the Large Hadron Collider, Hubble Telescope and the soon to be launched James Webb Space Telescope. If I was religious I'd need no proof, I am not and therefor would like some.

so you'd rather spend billions trying to find how life potentially started, rather than trying to preserve live by spending billions on research and experiments to help find cures for diseases and afflictions that currently exist??

Pudding · 16 Aug 2009, 03:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by duke knooby

so you'd rather spend billions trying to find how life potentially started, rather than trying to preserve live by spending billions on research and experiments to help find cures for diseases and afflictions that currently exist??

I don't believe I said that, in fact I know I never said that and I know that you know I never said that. Trying to link me believing that money should be spent on research into how the universe and life began, to not wanting research into cures for diseases is bullshit at best, and you damn well know it.

To quote me: "I'd rather $Billions be wasted on finding out how it all started than $Billions wasted on finding out how better we can blow the shit out of each other."

duke knooby · 16 Aug 2009, 03:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

I don't believe I said that, in fact I know I never said that and I know that you know I never said that. Trying to link me believing that money should be spent on research into how the universe and life began, to not wanting research into cures for diseases is bullshit at best, and you damn well know it.

To quote me: "I'd rather $Billions be wasted on finding out how it all started than $Billions wasted on finding out how better we can blow the shit out of each other."

yeah, i know... but was funny to see you work to justify it

Pudding · 16 Aug 2009, 10:24

Damn, I've been played like a cheap violin

**RadioMaster** · 16 Aug 2009, 10:58

I've once read an insteresting theory on alien life, I'll try to summarize it:

It is all based on the concept of infinity, and that Inf. * Inf. = Inf.

step 1: It is generally believed that the universe is infinite
step 2: Even if the chance of alien life is minimal, this would mean there is a nearly 100% chance that it IS out there
step 3: As infinity is infinite, that would mean there is an infinite number of alien life forms out there.
step 4: It is a scientific fact that the number of possible DNA combinations is not infinite.
step 5: assumed alien life is based on DNA as well, there is a nearly 100% possibility that at some point out there, there is one life form that has exactly the same genetical structure as every one of us.
step 6: Further applying the concept of infinity we can assume there the number of life forms with exactly the same DNA code as me or you, it is nearly certain that there is an endless number of copies of every one of us out there.
step 7: Imagine an infinite number of Puddings!

Dont know what to think of it, but I kept it in mind for years as I though this was an interesting idea

daveake · 16 Aug 2009, 11:16

Since step #1 is wrong, it's all downhill from there. So, thankfully, there aren't an infinite number of Puddings out there

Of course, there might be an infinite number of universes, each one different. Maybe in one of them there was a Bat III with Jim at the helm?

RJ, I've got a project for you ...

Pudding · 16 Aug 2009, 11:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

step 7: Imagine an infinite number of Puddings!

You'd probably want to stick a '69' on them too

Wario · 16 Aug 2009, 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

You'd probably want to stick a '69' on them too

Action all the way

16 Aug 2009, 00:04	#2
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	The universe is ridiculously large. To think that whole galaxies are moving away from us faster than the speed of light is almost incrompehensible (ie if you could travel at that speed you would still never catch up, even if you had 45 billion years to try). Insane. One thing I am pretty sure about though is that there definitely is some kind of other life form out there. Whether we will ever see or find it I'm not sure and probably not. The distances are just too vast. There are even theories that outside of the universe there are other unverses or that the universe is one big bubble which expands and then collapses back to a point of singularity. Crazy shit.

16 Aug 2009, 01:11	#3
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	The fact that there's all those galaxies in the area of a grain of sand at arms length, and each galaxy has thousands of stars, and no doubt each star has a number of planets orbitting it, has me concluding that indeed we are not alone.

16 Aug 2009, 01:54	#4
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,889	goes to show the importance of cleaning the lens on the telescope on a regular basis i'm pretty sure there's better things to waste money on than that

16 Aug 2009, 02:09	#5
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Why is it a waste?

16 Aug 2009, 02:18	#7
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	If we never did any research we'd have achieved nothing through history. I'd rather $Billions be wasted on finding out how it all started than $Billions wasted on finding out how better we can blow the shit out of each other.

16 Aug 2009, 02:24	#8
Lord Kagan On the other hand, You have different fingers Join Date: 17.05.2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 8,833	or spending billions on me....

16 Aug 2009, 02:32	#10
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Also you often hear it is a waste to spend so much on this and that, especially when it comes to things related to NASA and space exploration. Most of the money gives people jobs and hence they can earn a living etc. I'm with Pud on this, it's a much better industry rather than the weapon industry. In 2006 $1.15 trillion was spent in the international arms industry wheras the total Nasa budget to date (since 1958 ) hasn't even reached half of that!!!!

16 Aug 2009, 02:41	#13
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Honestly these "billions" are SOOO insignificant in comparison to how much money has been pumped into all the economies over the last two years. It's like a grain of sand itself. This is a debate about hardly anything imo....

16 Aug 2009, 02:55	#15
Lord Kagan On the other hand, You have different fingers Join Date: 17.05.2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 8,833	im great

16 Aug 2009, 10:24	#19
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Damn, I've been played like a cheap violin

16 Aug 2009, 10:58	#20
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	I've once read an insteresting theory on alien life, I'll try to summarize it: It is all based on the concept of infinity, and that Inf. Inf. = Inf.* step 1: It is generally believed that the universe is infinite step 2: Even if the chance of alien life is minimal, this would mean there is a nearly 100% chance that it IS out there step 3: As infinity is infinite, that would mean there is an infinite number of alien life forms out there. step 4: It is a scientific fact that the number of possible DNA combinations is not infinite. step 5: assumed alien life is based on DNA as well, there is a nearly 100% possibility that at some point out there, there is one life form that has exactly the same genetical structure as every one of us. step 6: Further applying the concept of infinity we can assume there the number of life forms with exactly the same DNA code as me or you, it is nearly certain that there is an endless number of copies of every one of us out there. step 7: Imagine an infinite number of Puddings! Dont know what to think of it, but I kept it in mind for years as I though this was an interesting idea

16 Aug 2009, 11:16	#21
daveake 200% is the new 110% Join Date: 13.03.2005 Location: Newbury Posts: 2,983	Since step #1 is wrong, it's all downhill from there. So, thankfully, there aren't an infinite number of Puddings out there Of course, there might be an infinite number of universes, each one different. Maybe in one of them there was a Bat III with Jim at the helm? RJ, I've got a project for you ...