Another new album?

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Vickip

Me too

Me thirds!

[youngJB]

Fifteen more "Prize Fight Love" or "Boneyard" quality songs would be epic. Maybe even that Dianne Warren song he never used is included in there - the one she claimed was the best she'd ever written. And then I'm sure there are hundreds of songwriters out there that would die to write something for Meat.

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by youngJB

Dianne Warren

Mind your language!

[PanicLord]

Awesome news - always welcome to hear there will be more Meat coming my way :)

[Pudding]

Everytime I hear Patrick being mentioned I can't help thinking of the Spongebob Square Pants best friend .

Who's to say that the leftover songs aren't the better ones

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Who's to say that the leftover songs aren't the better ones

Indeed, considering PFL was left off and I almost think someone would have to be out of their mind not to use that song on an album. It's one of the best things in years imo.

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Indeed, considering PFL was left off and I almost think someone would have to be out of their mind not to use that song on an album. It's one of the best things in years imo.

Someone should have been out of a job for not only leaving it off the album, but giving it away for free.

[Steve6]

Well he did say that HCTB was going to be the last studio album he's going to do, but maybe that was just a heat of the moment reaction without any thought. I think Meat will keep releasing albums because he loves it, but I actually thought he wouldn't and he'd focus more on acting. It will depend on his contract with the record company.

[carole]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Personally, I won't be interested in anything new until I stop listening daily to tracks from HCTB. I'm happier to celebrate the now rather than wonder about new songs already.

Seriously people! Greedy? Much?

Usually I would be the same, but Meat brought it up and it's got me excited. He did indicate recently when he was upset at the lack of promotion for HCTB that it may be his last, so this is good news. But I am still listening to HCTB daily too, in fact I'm listening to it right now.

Carole

[RSG]

I have the double disc HCTB. I keep it right on my table standing up. It's the only album there. When I get a stereo, I'll be playing it again and again. I think its great Meat wants to keep recording music. I will remain listening to what I have out of my ML collection. Which is all but one cd. 2 if you cound the very best of. I am all for Meat making studio music. I am one of those fans who would like to hear something with Steinman some day but I'm not waiting around for it. I will take what I have and support Meat. At the end of the day he is a very admirable man doing what he's doing. His music his big, his presence is big. The song 'Alive' from '06 describes the Meat I see him as. I look up to the guy more than I could possibly convey.

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by Evil One

Yes. 15 songs by T. Driggers and James Michael sounds good to me.

wellllllllllllll, i'm gonna say NO to that...

i'm gonna say yes to 15 great songs..

as has been said before by others... it doesnt matter who writes the songs, it only matters if its great songs

[Elijah's way]

I hope they sound nothing like Boneyard because that's a shitty song IMO. I do hope that they sound more like Song of Madness, Peace On Earth and Lets Be In Love.

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Everytime I hear Patrick being mentioned I can't help thinking of the Spongebob Square Pants best friend .

Who's to say that the leftover songs aren't the better ones

Thank you for the idea!!!

[allrevvedup]

Originally Posted by Elijah's way

I hope they sound nothing like Boneyard.

Boneyard does nothing for me either and the genral consensus seems to be if you don't like it don't listen to it. Prize Fight Lover is a great title for a song but over sounds like too many Meat and Springsteen songs combined into one, which is not always a good thing imo.

Personally i would've preferred Meat leave it with HCTB because he's done all he can do with a fantastic producer, great cast of musicians and strong songs.

but if he wants to do it, I only hope he's going to record these songs because he thinks they are good enough and not just because they are there,

“Leftovers in their less visible form are called memories. Stored in the refrigerator of the mind and the cupboard of the heart.” - Thomas Fuller

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by Steve6

but maybe that was just a heat of the moment reaction without any thought.

Unless Meat becomes an independent record company, I'm not sure who'd back paying for another CD being made based on HCTB sales

Originally Posted by carole

but Meat brought it up and it's got me excited.

WTF?...too much information

Originally Posted by Elijah's way

I hope they sound nothing like Boneyard because that's a shitty song IMO.

I think Boneyard is one of the better songs...BWTFWIK

Originally Posted by Rage Against

Thank you for the idea!!!

You're welcome

[Elijah's way]

BWTFWIK? What does that mean?

[samurai7]

Originally Posted by Elijah's way

BWTFWIK? What does that mean?

HTFSIK?

[Elijah's way]

Originally Posted by samurai7

HTFSIK?

What?

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Elijah's way

BWTFWIK? What does that mean?

"but What the F*** would I know?"

Originally Posted by samurai7

HTFSIK?

"Helping Three Frisky Santas in Kentucky?"

[nikox1]

you can have 20 fantastic songs on an album? but if promo is not done the right way? well its not gonna sell. Meat is doing the right thing by keep going and making music [ yeeeee haaaaa ] , if he feels he still has more to offer? why not!! i really liked HCTB. it was fresh and something different.
deep down we would all love a final Jim and Meat album, but as stated above, who cares who writes the songs, so long as they are good.
600,000 copies sold of HCTB x 15 euro/pounds/dollars on average, the record company made money, dont worry about that.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by nikox1

600,000 copies sold of HCTB x 15 euro/pounds/dollars on average, the record company made money, dont worry about that.

So you have 600,000 (apparently) x 15 euro's(ish) =9,000,000 - that's a good figure. But what about minus the bands fee, the studio fee, Rob Cavallo's fee, the lawyers fees, guest artists fees, songwriters fees, publishing fees, pressing of the CD fee, shipping fees, marketting fee (that should be a low figure) and any other bills you could possibly think of, what figure do you end up with then?

[AndrewG]

It's usually only 10-15% of sales figures that will go to the artist, but that figure still gets split amongst the musicians, producer, engineers (I believe Ted Jenssen alone to do the mastering costs around $5000 from what I've heard), song writers etc. Considering you can now buy HCTB (physical album) for around £6 in the UK, or €9/10 in Europe that isn't very much at all. I think 600.000 is still great but considering the cost of HCTB which would have been quite high, I doubt they even made money out of it, at least not much. Perhaps even a loss.
I think there are several reasons for the lack of sales; the download age we live in mostly, the songs themselves (which I still don't think are as strong as on previous Meat Loaf albums but that is my opinion), limited marketing strategies/limited TV performances/lack of proper single releases and promotion of these and I also think the bad press surrounding Meat and his performances over the last 3 years haven't helped. Though on the other hand that has of course kept Meat's name in the media.

The reviews of the album have been VERY good so I'm not even sure my assumption about the songs themselves is actually correct. It's just that out of the many recent Meat albums I have, I would probably not recommend this one and also I usually buy two copies and give one to my mother but I didn't do that with this one as I know she won't like it as it's far too aggressive, offensive and loud for her (Like a Rose/Dick Pants song/Love is not Real). I'm not saying this one sale will make any damn difference (certainly not considering the cost of the deluxe version I bought) but I can imagine that similar events have happened and thus the targeted audience this time around is a bit different and maybe a bit smaller.

And still, seeing the album in all the shops on the main shelves when it was released still shows there is quite a bit of force behind the Meat Loaf brand in my opinion. No less than artists who have been around for the same amount of the same time in my opinion. I am not sure what justifies huge expectations anyway as the best selling artists these days all seem to be younger than 25, team up with several rap artists to make one song, use Auto tune to change their voice completely and don't do live performances, have a dance entourage on stage or are winners of a recent pop show contest. In the light of all this I really don't think Meat is doing too badly at all. Perhaps making an album in a slightly simpler way would be more profitable (so maybe no more guest musicians and just use the touring band).

I'm just throwing ideas in the mix and am not telling what Meat should do! I'm still surprised he wants to do another album, but am very happy to see that too.

[Pudding]

I'm hoping lessons can be learnt from HCTB for HCTB2 and promotion and marketting are more fluent.

I'm also hoping that there isn't some daft-arsed story trying to link all the songs together. Although we could have the story of a boxer being hit to canvas and on each count by the referee it's a flash forward to a time when he's a champion and getting himself some poontang. Now you're all thinking Prize Fight Lover aren't you

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Unless Meat becomes an independent record company, I'm not sure who'd back paying for another CD being made based on HCTB sales

A lot of artists have founded their own labels and if you think that your record company hasn't done that much with regard to marketing, it maybe wouldn't be such a bad idea to organize production, promo and distribution yourself. The reason for having a contract with a big record label usually is the fact that they have more means available to extensively promote an album. If that doesn't happen to the extent that you expect, you can as well try to do it on your own. Might be more work for you, will probably cost you some time and money and could be risky but at least you'd have more control over how things are being done.

Originally Posted by Pudding

So you have 600,000 (apparently) x 15 euro's(ish) =9,000,000 - that's a good figure. But what about minus the bands fee, the studio fee, Rob Cavallo's fee, the lawyers fees, guest artists fees, songwriters fees, publishing fees, pressing of the CD fee, shipping fees, marketting fee (that should be a low figure) and any other bills you could possibly think of, what figure do you end up with then?

Good question.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

It's just that out of the many recent Meat albums I have, I would probably not recommend this one and also I usually buy two copies and give one to my mother but I didn't do that with this one as I know she won't like it as it's far too aggressive, offensive and loud for her (Like a Rose/Dick Pants song/Love is not Real).

My mom probably wouldn't like it either but some of my younger friends and relatives like most of the stuff on HCTB. I usually hear comments like "That's Meat Loaf? Wow! Sounds cool. Wouldn't have expected that he's in such good shape again."

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I am not sure what justifies huge expectations anyway as the best selling artists these days all seem to be younger than 25, team up with several rap artists to make one song, use Auto tune to change their voice completely and don't do live performances, have a dance entourage on stage or are winners of a recent pop show contest.

You can be successful without belonging to that category. I think it depends on how an artist appeals to the public, if the music has anything special about it and how good the marketing is. In 1993, everybody I knew seemed to own a copy of Bat II although it wasn't the kind of music that was popular then. There are still bands who manage to remain on top of the charts for several months because they have been working hard, are different from others and due to good promo. I believe it's much harder to get people interested in good music these days though.

Originally Posted by Pudding

I'm also hoping that there isn't some daft-arsed story trying to link all the songs together.

Meat's misconception of what a concept album is is one of the very few things that bother me about HCTB.

[daveake]

Originally Posted by Pudding

I'm hoping lessons can be learnt from HCTB4 for HCTB5 and promotion and marketting are more fluent.

Just corrected you there