Another new album? - Page 9

suzieq · 27 Aug 2010, 19:09

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Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Whether or not the songs were written to fit the story or whether the songs already existed, Meat has mentioned before that the songs were tweaked to fit the storyline a bit so there was some re-writing of certain lines. I think that the concept is a good one, personally, and whether or not you can feel the story running through the CD is largely irrelevant as the songs do flow well from one song to the next and I happen to think you can sense the movement in the story as you play the CD in its entirety.

Whether other people pick up on that I neither know nor care. Quite a few concept albums don't convey their actual "message" to the masses because the concept is not the overarching thing making someone enjoy an album usually. More often than not, it's the quality of the tunes and in HCTB, the production of the music is fantastic and for me it's simply a case of whether you enjoy certain songs or not.

So again, I think its irrelevant whether the songs were picked before, tweaked after or made to fit the concept, I feel the concept is fairly loose and prevents us from being restricted to ONLY thinking of the story throughout the album. There's way too much going on in HCTB to ONLY focus on the concept and I doubt Meat's original intent was for us to think purely of the concept as the songs are played anyway. I view the concept as an addition to the music, not the one thing governing the entire album.

And to criticise album sales and suggest the album isn't successful? The album is a success on a personal level for Meat, who has never been about the money anyway. Sure, he would love the album to be a massive success and who's to say that still won't happen? I love it and prefer it to anything Meat has done since Bat 2. That makes it a success for me and that is what counts, IMO. I don't much concern myself with album sales because that has nothing really to do with me.

Great post!

Julie in the rv mirror · 27 Aug 2010, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Sorry for getting off-topic for a short praise of a weird masterpiece.

I'm glad you liked it!

Yep, I do think Maxwell Edison may have been Steve Martin's inspiration for the dentist character.

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Originally Posted by tink

OMG... wasn't he so CUUUTE in that film ? ... hehe ...

Yes...yes he was.

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup

Joe Perry from Aerosmith, said the industry joke about the soundtrack to that film was it shipped platinum and came back double platinum!

I don't know about that, but I played my copy at least once a day. I still have it- on vinyl, of course.

One more bit of trivia, then back on topic. I read that they initially wanted Olivia Newton-John to play Strawberry Fields (Billy's love interest), but Olivia thought the charcter of Strawberry was too sweet (like Sandy in Grease), so she wanted to play Lucy instead. The producers said no.

The red pig logo, btw, I believe was a parody of the little red bull on the RSO label (which the Bee Gees were on)

Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread!

Sarge · 28 Aug 2010, 00:03

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup

Anyway back to the new album...how about it as a tribute to Roadie and Travis?

Rather to his dad, Art Carney was cool.

I wonder if the songs they didn't use were written by the same songwriters whose songs are on HCTB or if there's also material by other writers, if they are similar in style and if there's a good ballad among them. Would also be interesting to know if they would put only those songs on an album or if it would be a mix of some that they already have and some entirely new ones.

Evil One · 28 Aug 2010, 00:05

I just hope there are no more Justin Hawkins songs to come.

Rage Against · 28 Aug 2010, 00:34

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I just hope there are no more Justin Hawkins songs to come.

Not a Hawkins fan?

Evil One · 28 Aug 2010, 00:37

I'm indifferent towards him, but I don't think the songs he provided for Meat were the strongest on the album.

duke knooby · 28 Aug 2010, 00:39

justin rocks!!!

Sarge · 28 Aug 2010, 00:42

I like Love Is Not Real. California is stupid in a funny way but the problem is that someone who just hears the song and hasn't heard Meat's explanation of what it is actually about can easily take it the wrong way. I have no issues with Hawkins as a songwriter, he's a very good musician, too, but I hope a new album will be more "mature" (which doesn't mean that it has to be devoid of humor). HCTB is a good album, I just don't know if it was a great idea to treat it like a movie and play a guy who's in his early twenties. If the concept was more obvious, maybe...

I would like to know how Meat sees himself, what kind of image he expects people to have of him. If you hire people like Hawkins or Nally who are known for their rather "crazy" style, record songs like Like A Rose and Los Angeloser, you move into a certain direction...

nikox1 · 28 Aug 2010, 01:27

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Originally Posted by Pudding

The fact that you're trying to compare Bat1 and HCTB completely gives you a failed argument on many levels.

how am i comparing them? i stated HCTB may by some twist of faith start selling? Bat 1 took time even. i never compared the two albums against each other, in any shape or form? i just stated that even the 40+ million selling Bat 1 took time.

nikox1 · 28 Aug 2010, 01:33

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Old duffers doing younger music is kinda like knowing your parents are still doing the horizontal mambo next door to your bedroom, there's something quite disturbing about it.

i would not class Meat Loaf an old duffer!!! and as to what your parents get up to? well you can keep that to urself please

Elijah's way · 28 Aug 2010, 02:37

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I just hope there are no more Justin Hawkins songs to come.

I really like his writing I hope Meat works with him again.

Wario · 28 Aug 2010, 02:41

Most likely id seriously doubt Their won't be more Justin songs, in fact Im optimistic that most likley the majority will be Justin songs.

Hes very good.

Pudding · 28 Aug 2010, 07:01

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Originally Posted by nikox1

i would not class Meat Loaf an old duffer!!!

What age would you put on someone who is an old duffer?

daveake · 28 Aug 2010, 08:16

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Originally Posted by nikox1

how am i comparing them? i stated HCTB may by some twist of faith start selling? Bat 1 took time even. i never compared the two albums against each other, in any shape or form? i just stated that even the 40+ million selling Bat 1 took time.

It took time before people knew about it. When they found out about it they bought it.

The reaction to HCTB seems to be entirely different.

Pudding · 28 Aug 2010, 09:20

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Originally Posted by daveake

The reaction to HCTB seems to be entirely different.

Exactly.

Bat1 stayed in the charts for over 450 weeks, HCTB dropped out of the charts after 4 weeks. Trying to compare what happened to Bat1 could happen to HCTB is a bit retarded

Mr. Happy · 28 Aug 2010, 09:23

I can see the Diane Warren song that didn't make the cut for HCTB showing up on it, if it was as good as Meat made it out to be

A Slice Of English · 28 Aug 2010, 09:33

I'm a Hawkins fan and absolutely love Love Is Not Real and California on the album. Both songs are amusing but also LINR has a great rock sound and I love the guitar on it. Brilliant.

nikox1 · 28 Aug 2010, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Exactly.

Bat1 stayed in the charts for over 450 weeks, HCTB dropped out of the charts after 4 weeks. Trying to compare what happened to Bat1 could happen to HCTB is a bit retarded

474 for Bat and 6 for HCTB. i do not see a huge difference?

anyway its Patrick and the story we are talking about? or we can talk about Peter Pan?

nikox1 · 28 Aug 2010, 11:22

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Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

I'm a Hawkins fan and absolutely love Love Is Not Real and California on the album. Both songs are amusing but also LINR has a great rock sound and I love the guitar on it. Brilliant.

very true, great rock songs!!

nikox1 · 28 Aug 2010, 11:26

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Originally Posted by Pudding

What age would you put on someone who is an old duffer?

well not on somebody who can sing and run around on a stage for 2 hours every second night? fly around the world for 3 -4 months promoting an album, and then still finds time to do a couple of movies? he really appears to be acting like an old duffer

Sue K · 28 Aug 2010, 11:33

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Originally Posted by nikox1

well not on somebody who can sing and run around on a stage for 2 hours every second night? fly around the world for 3 -4 months promoting an album, and then still finds time to do a couple of movies? he really appears to be acting like an old duffer

"Old duffer", imo, is a state of mind. I've seen young folks who act in that presumed way old farts are thought to behave and presumed old farts whose minds are active, youthful and open to change.

Pudding · 29 Aug 2010, 01:02

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Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

I'm a Hawkins fan

Me too. His theories about black holes and time travel are just mind blowing.

Sarge · 29 Aug 2010, 09:10

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Originally Posted by Pudding

His theories about black holes and time travel are just mind blowing.

Are you talking about Stephen Hawking?

GDW · 29 Aug 2010, 09:22

He's a fantastic singer.

A Slice Of English · 29 Aug 2010, 09:28

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Are you talking about Stephen Hawking?

Buuuuuurn...!

28 Aug 2010, 00:05	#204
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	I just hope there are no more Justin Hawkins songs to come.

28 Aug 2010, 00:37	#206
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	I'm indifferent towards him, but I don't think the songs he provided for Meat were the strongest on the album.

28 Aug 2010, 00:39	#207
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,908	justin rocks!!!

28 Aug 2010, 00:42	#208
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 08.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	I like Love Is Not Real. California is stupid in a funny way but the problem is that someone who just hears the song and hasn't heard Meat's explanation of what it is actually about can easily take it the wrong way. I have no issues with Hawkins as a songwriter, he's a very good musician, too, but I hope a new album will be more "mature" (which doesn't mean that it has to be devoid of humor). HCTB is a good album, I just don't know if it was a great idea to treat it like a movie and play a guy who's in his early twenties. If the concept was more obvious, maybe... I would like to know how Meat sees himself, what kind of image he expects people to have of him. If you hire people like Hawkins or Nally who are known for their rather "crazy" style, record songs like Like A Rose and Los Angeloser, you move into a certain direction...

28 Aug 2010, 02:41	#212
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	Most likely id seriously doubt Their won't be more Justin songs, in fact Im optimistic that most likley the majority will be Justin songs. Hes very good.

28 Aug 2010, 09:23	#216
Mr. Happy Guest Join Date: 13.02.2010 Location: Posts: 736	I can see the Diane Warren song that didn't make the cut for HCTB showing up on it, if it was as good as Meat made it out to be

28 Aug 2010, 09:33	#217
A Slice Of English Guest Join Date: 10.11.2003 Posts: 1,258	I'm a Hawkins fan and absolutely love Love Is Not Real and California on the album. Both songs are amusing but also LINR has a great rock sound and I love the guitar on it. Brilliant.

29 Aug 2010, 09:22	#224
GDW Super Loafer Join Date: 26.03.2010 Location: Perth Posts: 984	He's a fantastic singer.