McDonalds Vs fat gits with no willpower

[daveake]

Get some for me whilst you're there

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Sarge

I'm confused.

Steve's "debating" style has a tendency to do that

I have dozens of bars of dark chocolate in the house .. but have resisted them, although I drank some coffee to write a hopefully cogent response to some of the "fact!!!"s

Caryl

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I have dozens of bars of dark chocolate in the house

Eat that filth and it will give you leprosy.

[Steve6]

I've taken some time out to have a think about everything that has been discussed on this thread so far. I'll accept that maybe I shouldn't have made so many assumptions based on my own personal experience. But diet change is working for me. I'll admit that's it's a very slow process, but in my opinion it's a better one than the medication route. Which was a terrible one for me, so many dark days even years.
I'll be honest discussing this whole area makes me very upset, because of what I lost through putting drugs into my body. Being lied to by professionals, and fighting it all my own. If drugs didn't exist I'd be very happy right now, and wouldn't have went through any mental torture. There is only so much of it I can explain over the Internet, because it's very very long story stretching back to my childhood. But I blame it all on drugs. I don't want to keep disagreeing with Caryl, Dave, or Lucy because they are right, and I'm wrong. I just get angry about it is all.

[daveake]

Good stuff. I think I'll send you a gift to celebrate the fact that you've come round to my way of thinking. One question before I order it ...

... "do you want fries with that?"

Dave

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Steve6

I've taken some time out to have a think about everything that has been discussed on this thread so far. I'll accept that maybe I shouldn't have made so many assumptions based on my own personal experience. But diet change is working for me. I'll admit that's it's a very slow process, but in my opinion it's a better one than the medication route.

Which is great, and you're to be congratulated that you've stuck to it and found your way, and one that suits you. It's just dangerous to assume that one size fits all with any treatment, and particlarly with treatment of psychological or behavioural issues/disorders.

Caryl

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by daveake

... "do you want fries with that?"

Dave

Only if they're proper chips and fried in grapeseed oil

Caryl

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by Steve6

I've taken some time out to have a think about everything that has been discussed on this thread so far. I'll accept that maybe I shouldn't have made so many assumptions based on my own personal experience. But diet change is working for me. I'll admit that's it's a very slow process, but in my opinion it's a better one than the medication route. Which was a terrible one for me, so many dark days even years.
I'll be honest discussing this whole area makes me very upset, because of what I lost through putting drugs into my body. Being lied to by professionals, and fighting it all my own. If drugs didn't exist I'd be very happy right now, and wouldn't have went through any mental torture. There is only so much of it I can explain over the Internet, because it's very very long story stretching back to my childhood. But I blame it all on drugs. I don't want to keep disagreeing with Caryl, Dave, or Lucy because they are right, and I'm wrong. I just get angry about it is all.

Both you and I Steve have admitted in this thread that we have been diagnosed with ADHD (which you stated was a made up disease and I admit I took offense to). The symptoms I have had to deal with all my life certainly weren't made up but I can see that you have thought again about this and realised that some of the things you said were an assumption.

I've not found diet to be the sole factor in controlling my symptoms as even when I was on a strict diet set by medical professionals I still had issues with concentration and hyperactivity. Yes, cutting down on caffeine helped with anxiety but other than that I've not noticed much of a change in the way I am.

I'm glad that a change in diet helped you but how people react to anything varies from person to person.

Sky

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Steve6

Evil One there is nothing wrong with a burger, chips, provided they aren't full of additives and chemicals. But I'll tell you from my own experience, Coca-Cola, Tea, Coffee, Alcohol is toxic stuff man even in small amounts. I wouldn't touch a can of coke if I was paid €100, no chance whatsoever. Caffeine caused me more problems in my life, that I won't even bother getting into it. You may enjoy the odd glass of coke, but for some people like myself it's the match that ignites the bomb.

There are worse things in the world than coke.
Should we ban milk, cheese, butter to stop the lactose intolerant from being tempted?
How about nuts?
Nut alergies can kill, so should we ban all nuts (don't say it ) so people are unable to show disreguard for their lives rather deny themselves the nutty goodness?

If somebody has a medical issue with an ingredient, then the problem is hopefully spotted early enough, and the patient is educated in how they can live their lives to the full in spite of their condition.
That doesn't mean the whole world has to change their eating habits.

I may be wrong here, but the way i'm reading this thread, it looks like it's being said there is a direct link between junk food and mental illness

All I can say to that is that it would make a great ad campaign

"You might scream for ice cream,
but you'll go crrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrazy for our new tripple whopper with bacon"


I was under the impression that McDonalds was being blamed for making people fat, not cuckoo.

Addiction wise, certain foods can only be discribed addictive because they stimulate the release of endorphines into the body, making them pleasurable to eat, but it's hardly common that this is a serious addiction.

If someone has issues with chocolate (diabetes for instance) then they should avoid chocolate, not eat as much as they can and then call for the head of Willy Wonka on a plate.

Originally Posted by daveake

Absolutely. It's never someone's fault that they are fat - it's the food or their metabolism or anything else aside from the simple truth that they eat too much.

There are genuine cases, but they are in the minority.
It's like footballers or other celebs who get caught playing away from home and claim that they are "sex addicts", that they are victims who should be understood and pitied.
If "like" is to be replaced with "addicted to", i'm in deep shit and need to get to rehab

Originally Posted by daveake

Gregory Rhymes, 15, has eaten at McDonald's almost every day since the age of six. His Macaholic addiction has taken his weight to 400lbs, although he is only 5ft 6in tall. 'I normally order the Big Mac, fries, icecream or shake - I like to Super Size my orders,' he said. Gregory has developed diabetes.

No shit?

Originally Posted by daveake

Rhymes' mother, Ruth, claims that she would not have let her son gorge himself if she had known the food contained such high levels of fat, cholesterol and salt. 'I always believed McDonald's food was healthy for my son,' she said.

If that is true (which I very much doubt) then she needs to have her children taken away from her as she is obviously mentally incapable of the looking after a child.
What next? "I threw my kid in front of a bus but I never knew it could hurt him"

Originally Posted by daveake

He sued the neighbour whose fence broke his leg. He lost the case. He also lost his foot. Serves the f*cker right.

Amen

[daveake]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

It's like footballers or other celebs who get caught playing away from home and claim that they are "sex addicts", that they are victims who should be understood and pitied.

Indeed. All they're doing is taking advantage of their celeb status to, in the immortal words of a rock star on some TV prog recently, "shag above their station".

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I may be wrong here, but the way i'm reading this thread, it looks like it's being said there is a direct link between junk food and mental illness

All I can say to that is that it would make a great ad campaign

"You might scream for ice cream,
but you'll go crrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrazy for our new tripple whopper with bacon"

I have an aversion to descibing either psychological or behavioural problems as "mental". I think it's probably established that behavioural problems can be exaccerbated by certain food, and children's concentration can be affected by their diet. Most of us have argued that what we eat and drink can affect behaviour but isn't the sole cause of behavioural issues, depression, anxiety etc. Steve has found omitting certain types of food has helped him.

Fast food does tend to be heavy with unnecesary sugar, E additives, caffeine, salt etc, as does a lot of the "convenience" food available. It does lead to obesity in many who don't exercise moderation, which can lead to many other issues like diabetes, and it isn't a good diet for children on a regular basis. But I think most have agreed that the important factors are exercising moderation, education, taking personal responsibility, exercising responsible and informed parenting rather than banning the foods/drinks. Even Steve seems to have come to a level of agreement about this now

Your comment about nut allergies is interesting. Many schools now won't allow any food with nuts on the premises; an increasing number are against any form of home baking being brought in, for meals/snacks or fund raising activities. I can't help wonder why our children have become so sensitive. Nut allergies weren't an issue when I was at school, nor did we ever have a child drop to the floor stricken with a reaction. But there was far less pollution from vehicle emissions, and we ate more simply and "convenience" and "junk" foods weren't around. I can't recall any schoolmate auffering from asthma either, nor exhibiting symptoms of gluten or dairy intolerance. Though I'm pretty sure all the paint at school was lead-based, and our mothers were not forbidden to drink or smoke when they were pregnant.

I can't help but think that the environment must have an effect, and that the extensive use of E numbers and other preservatives may be increasing some children's food sensitivity, not just in terms of behaviour but also in their bodies' reactions to certain foods. Still doesn't mean we should ban all convenience or "jumk" foods imo .. back to education and parenting.

Caryl

[24K]

I seriously need chocolate and coke, lucky me i have both ! The proper coke as i call it in the glass bottles, it tastes better.
I feel for anyone who is on any type of diet, it's hard, i have been there several times, for various reasons. An espresso would have killed me at one time, i shall enjoy while i can, one day i may have to go back to not being allowed it.
So for those on diets for whatever reason i have sympathy, i hope anyone who has to restrict themselves that you find the will power !
By the way thank God for drug companies is all i can say !

[suzieq]

Wow! I'm going to drink a glass of water now.

[Sarge]

I just drank a bottle of German cola with a very high concentration of caffeine. Do I have a good excuse for being crazy now?

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Do I have a good excuse for being crazy now?

not really as you were crazy anyway

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by 24K

I seriously need chocolate and coke,

thats a quality addiction.. i need alcohol and dominos pizza

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by Sarge

I just drank a bottle of German cola with a very high concentration of caffeine. Do I have a good excuse for being crazy now?

What's the difference between German cola and UK cola? Is this own brand or proper Coke/Pepsi?

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by Evil One

What's the difference between German cola and UK cola? Is this own brand or proper Coke/Pepsi?

it was probably kraken auf cola... its quite strong

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by Evil One

Is this own brand or proper Coke/Pepsi?

fritz-kola from Hamburg - contains more caffeine than many other colas.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I may be wrong here, but the way i'm reading this thread, it looks like it's being said there is a direct link between junk food and mental illness

There is a direct link due to chemicals in the food and its been proven. But that's not to be confused with all mental illnesses are down to eating junk food nor eating junk food can/will send you mental.

You're not a slim guy, so I'm guessing you eat a lot of shit (high in fat and sugars) and don't do much exercise, would someone call you mental?...who knows but eating a lot of shit food and not doing much exercise is a mental order or disorder, especially when we know eating healthier and doing exercise is better for our health.

I don't give my kids much junk food (once or twice a month at most) they eat a lot of fresh meat, seafood, vegetables and fruits. They only eat a small number of sweets on a Sunday and that's it and they seem to behave normally. However, I know several kids at the school who are allowed to eat junk food and sweets all the time and they're practically bouncing off the walls.

This is also down to parenting too though. I find that it's more often than not the kids whose parents don't care what crap their kids eat have the biggest problems with their kids.

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by Pudding

You're not a slim guy, so I'm guessing you eat a lot of shit (high in fat and sugars) and don't do much exercise, would someone call you mental?...who knows but eating a lot of shit food and not doing much exercise is a mental order or disorder, especially when we know eating healthier and doing exercise is better for our health.

As a fat git with no willpower, I appreciate the discussion.
I know I am responsible for myself. I agree totally.
But do I have a mental order (???) or disorder because I choose to eat what I want? No.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by Rage Against

As a fat git with no willpower, I appreciate the discussion.
I know I am responsible for myself. I agree totally.
But do I have a mental order (???) or disorder because I choose to eat what I want? No.

A lack of willpower (which you've readily admitted) is a form of mental disorder is it not? The ability for self-discipline isn't there, even when there is a clear risk to health. People who want to lose weight should see a psychiatrist first and not a dietician, because mentally they either can't stop stuffing their face or they're eating all the wrong things.

Not many would argue that someone with anorexia has a mental disorder, so why can't fat people have a mental disorder too?

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by Pudding

A lack of willpower (which you've readily admitted) is a form of mental disorder is it not? The ability for self-discipline isn't there, even when there is a clear risk to health. People who want to lose weight should see a psychiatrist first and not a dietician, because mentally they either can't stop stuffing their face or they're eating all the wrong things.

Not many would argue that someone with anorexia has a mental disorder, so why can't fat people have a mental disorder too?

No I don't think a lack of willpower is a mental disorder. Indeed, I don't think I have a lack of willpower. I make a choice. My choice.

SELF-discipline would be there if I choose for it to be there. As for the risk to health, I'm not debating that being overweight is a health risk. It is, but so is walking across the street, playing sports, smoking, drinking and in some places going out after dark. Do you have a mental disorder if you do those. No.

I don't have a mental disorder, I choose for myself. You might not like it or agree with it, but it's not your choice.

I agree that some people become addicted to food, just like people get addicted to other things. I don't think most addictions are mental disorders, necessarily. I agree they may need therapy or counseling to get to the root of their issue, but that doesn't necessarily give them a disorder.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by Rage Against

No I don't think a lack of willpower is a mental disorder. Indeed, I don't think I have a lack of willpower. I make a choice. My choice.

I'm sorry I thought it was you who posted this.

Originally Posted by Rage Against

As a fat git with no willpower

Anyone who's addicted to anything has some sort of mental disorder. Whether it be food, alcohol, drugs or even Meat Loaf. I visit here far too often than I should, a clear sign of the beginnings of lunacy

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by Pudding

I'm sorry I thought it was you who posted this.



Anyone who's addicted to anything has some sort of mental disorder. Whether it be food, alcohol, drugs or even Meat Loaf. I visit here far too often than I should, a clear sign of the beginnings of lunacy

I disagree.