Changes

[R.]

We are going to introduce some changes, the 1st one is this: like.png. I'm pretty sure you'll find out very quickly how this works. Right now it's available everywhere except Fred's World. This may change in the future.

Enjoy.

[Monstro]

Ok, should've read this thread first lol

[robgomm]

Hey that's cool! Thanks for this!

[samurai7]

haha, someone's been listening to me! lol

[melon]

Not available on my phone lol, but at least I can now see the reply button, I used to have to guess AMD hope I didn't hit the report button ha ha

[AndrewG]

Poor Fred.

[AndyK]

Thanks to this thread, I shall be turning to face thre strain all day today.


Ch-ch-ch-changes

[melon]

Originally Posted by melon

Not available on my phone lol, but at least I can now see the reply button, I used to have to guess AMD hope I didn't hit the report button ha ha

And by looking at this, I see my signature doesn't work on my phone either...

[R.]

And another one ... but this one is anonymous.

[CarylB]

Thanks

[Sarge]

One question: What's the purpose/benefit?

I will not click any of these buttons. I don't think its important to show everybody that I like something that way. If I agree or disagree with someone/something, I can still mention it in a post. Just clicking a button is convenient but also pretty lazy and detracts from actually communicating with each other, in my opinion. I suspect some people might be tempted to fish for "likes" or "punish" members for not sharing their opinion by purposely "disliking" posts.

I'm not pleased to see that this forum is going to be like Facebook. The only positive thing about this thread is that it made me listen to David Bowie again.

[CarylB]

As I see it, a "Like" button can simply signify that one agrees with a comment without just posting "I agree" or giving a thumbs up, if one has nothing material to add. I think it's only lazy if you don't read the post you're signalling you like, and would be as childish to "dislike" in order to "punish" members, as it would be to fish for "likes" .. Perhaps I have more faith

It was suggested on the Fixing thread, that if I post a differing opinion, it's natural for the person holding the one with which I differed or disagreed to stand up for theirs even more strongly. Also it was suggested that it would often be better for me to ignore an opinion I don't agree with, rather than say I don't agree and why, or that the reported "flaw" wasn't something I noticed, or that I didn't see it as a flaw.

A "Disagree" button enables us to do the latter, or should we post that we disagree with an opinion and explain why, if the person holding that opinion feels they then have to defend it, we can disassociate ourselves from it, without responding yet again and being held somehow responsible for prolonging a debate.

Caryl

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by CarylB

A "Disagree" button enables us to do the latter

What has clicking "dislike" to do with "ignoring" a post? Why is the feature anonymous? Don't you have the guts to dislike something in public? I think it's pretty useless and leads to nothing - at least nothing good or constructive.

A forum is meant to be a place to discuss and debate. What are you doing here if you want to "disassociate" yourself from conversations by clicking a button and aren't even interested in standing up for your own opinion?

[CarylB]

1. Clicking dislike is an alternative to posting that one disagrees. (I would prefer the buttons actually said Agree and Disagree, but I think most people take that inference)

2. Of course I have the guts to dislike something in public. I can hardly believe you ask that of me. Anyway, if you hit "Like" your name is shown as Liking/agreeing. I thought this would be the same for Dislike/disagree, and would prefer that it was. I did however explain that it had been suggested that sometimes I should not post my alternative opinion, and that if I did and the original poster defended their opinion, (as I was told was likely to happen) I would be prolonging a debate if I replied again.

3. Asking me what I am doing here if I am "not even interested" in standing up for my own opinion is a question I find rather aggressive and discourteous; it is certainly confrontational as well as missing the point.

No doubt I will now be accused of prolonging a negative debate. However I think I have made my position clear, and perhaps we can leave it now.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by CarylB

1. Clicking dislike is an alternative to posting that one disagrees.

"Alternative to posting" on a discussion board? I think it's lazy, and when done anonymously also sneaky and yellow. Sorry for the wording, but that's what I think about it. Not wanting to post but devaluate another member's post that way is unfair, too. I wouldn't click dislike even if I absolutely hated a particular post. Even if I don't agree with someone, I acknowledge the fact that the author put time and effort in their post (unlike just clicking some stupid button).

As long as the names of those who clicked "dislike" aren't shown, it's pretty easy to "dislike" any comment a particular person posted ("I don't like him/her, let's dislike all his/her posts) or click the button just "for fun". That whole like/dislike thing is not reliable, not representative, highly manipulable and rather childish, in my opinion. It will not "fix" anything.

Originally Posted by CarylB

However I think I have made my position clear

... and probably clicked the "dislike" button as well. See, that's another problem with the missing names. I will just assume that it was you who disliked my post.

[Dave]

I am optimistic this will maybe put a stop to the endless and tiring "CHSIB" type posts.

[evil nickname]

Originally Posted by Sarge

What has clicking "dislike" to do with "ignoring" a post? Why is the feature anonymous? Don't you have the guts to dislike something in public? I think it's pretty useless and leads to nothing - at least nothing good or constructive.

A forum is meant to be a place to discuss and debate. What are you doing here if you want to "disassociate" yourself from conversations by clicking a button and aren't even interested in standing up for your own opinion?

CHSIB. I pretty much agree with and like this post. Or, to suggest yet another name for that 'like' button "You took the words right out of my mouth."

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Sarge

"Alternative to posting" on a discussion board? I think it's lazy, and when done anonymously also sneaky and yellow. Sorry for the wording, but that's what I think about it.

I said I'd prefer the names were shown. I am neither lazy, nor unwilling to put my name to anything I do (a nicer term imo than "sneaky and and yellow"; it can be done)

Not wanting to post but devaluate another member's post that way is unfair, too. I wouldn't click dislike even if I absolutely hated a particular post. Even if I don't agree with someone, I acknowledge the fact that the author put time and effort in their post (unlike just clicking some stupid button).

I have replied to this point twice

As long as the names of those who clicked "dislike" aren't shown, it's pretty easy to "dislike" any comment a particular person posted ("I don't like him/her, let's dislike all his/her posts) or click the button just "for fun". That whole like/dislike thing is not reliable, not representative, highly manipulable and rather childish, in my opinion. It will not "fix" anything.

And this

... and probably clicked the "dislike" button as well. See, that's another problem with the missing names. I will just assume that it was you who disliked my post.

And you'd be incorrect. Assumptions are always risky. If you come back and repeat the same argument again though I may use it, although to date I have not. But I have answered the same point twice now, then this time referred you to my answer, and the point of it in my view is to halt repetitive discussion that goes nowhere.

Originally Posted by Dave

I am optimistic this will maybe put a stop to the endless and tiring "CHSIB" type posts.

Yes. I had hoped the Dislike might be a way of ending repetitive posting of the same points as well

Originally Posted by evil nickname

CHSIB. I pretty much agree with and like this post. Or, to suggest yet another name for that 'like' button "You took the words right out of my mouth."

Discussion seems pointless when people don't read posts but keep re-iterating the same points in rebuttal.

Perhaps the buttons should be defined as
Agree and have nothing useful/material to add
Disagree but I have explained my opinion to the point of exhaustion

Caryl

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by R.

And another one ... but this one is anonymous.

I thanked you Rainer, but didn't realise what you meant when you said this was anonymous. I would prefer my name to be shown, whichever button I used. If nothing else it would prevent wrong assumptions and accusations of cowardice. These are likely to lead to exactly the prolonged kinds of pointless debate the idea was designed to prevent. I'm prepared to end debating opinion endlessly, but not to accept my character being impugned.

Caryl

[evil nickname]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Discussion seems pointless when people don't read posts but keep re-iterating the same points in rebuttal.

I couldn't have said it better.

[chairboys]

Originally Posted by Sarge

One question: What's the purpose/benefit?

I will not click any of these buttons. I don't think its important to show everybody that I like something that way. If I agree or disagree with someone/something, I can still mention it in a post. Just clicking a button is convenient but also pretty lazy and detracts from actually communicating with each other, in my opinion. I suspect some people might be tempted to fish for "likes" or "punish" members for not sharing their opinion by purposely "disliking" posts.

I'm not pleased to see that this forum is going to be like Facebook. The only positive thing about this thread is that it made me listen to David Bowie again.

Originally Posted by evil nickname

CHSIB. I pretty much agree with and like this post. Or, to suggest yet another name for that 'like' button "You took the words right out of my mouth."

I have to say I agree with Sarge on this one. I believe this system has been requested in good faith, BUT will cause more harm than good.
There is nothing wrong with it, per se, but I think it could get political!
The quote above is from Evil Nickname. Read it. Now, tell me what there is not to like about that sentence as it stands. I can't see anything, yet it received a negative vote.
And Caryl, you are definitely someone who doesn't need these buttons!!
I won't be pressing the buttons. This is not to say that I don't like what I read, but I care not to show favouritism. I'm staying neutral on this!
Ps Thank god it hasn't made me listen to Bowie.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by chairboys

There is nothing wrong with it, per se, but I think it could get political!

That's my apprehension.

Originally Posted by chairboys

The quote above is from Evil Nickname. Read it. Now, tell me what there is not to like about that sentence as it stands. I can't see anything, yet it received a negative vote.

... obviously from a person who has no sense of humor.

[AndrewG]

Was the dislike function added just for the sake of Wario's posts?

(Like this if you agree )

[R.]

Originally Posted by Sarge

One question: What's the purpose/benefit?

Our users should answer this question for themselves wether they see a benefit or not. If they see one, they will most likely use it.

Originally Posted by Sarge

I will not click any of these buttons.

Then don't, see above. Nobody forces you to do so.

Originally Posted by Sarge

If I agree or disagree with someone/something, I can still mention it in a post.

True.

Originally Posted by Sarge

I suspect some people might be tempted to fish for "likes" or "punish" members for not sharing their opinion by purposely "disliking" posts.

Your assumption may be correct - but it shows how bad you think about some of our users. On the other hand, this is already happening since we opened this forum a decade ago.

Originally Posted by Sarge

I'm not pleased to see that this forum is going to be like Facebook.

It certainly is not. We are not forcing you to do anything, unlike Facebook forcing you to use a specific @facebook.com email address as your username, for example. The only similiarity is the "Like" button, a feature that is very popular on the web. I would have even used the one from Facebook if it wouldn't collect data so aggressively.

Originally Posted by Sarge

As long as the names of those who clicked "dislike" aren't shown, it's pretty easy to "dislike" any comment a particular person posted ("I don't like him/her, let's dislike all his/her posts) or click the button just "for fun".

Sad thing is, you have a pretty bad opinion about the people here. I’ll remove the anonymization later on to stop that potential kind of abuse.

Originally Posted by Sarge

That whole like/dislike thing is not reliable

It is pretty straight forward. You click like/dislike and the system records your vote and shows it every thread view. The only thing that may render it unreliable is that you are allowed to change your vote. If that turns out to be unpleasant, we'll turn that off. So what?

Originally Posted by Sarge

not representative

True. It was never intended to be.

Originally Posted by Sarge

highly manipulable

Bollocks. I’ll challenge you to go try and manipulate it.

Originally Posted by Sarge

and rather childish, in my opinion.

Thank you very much.

Originally Posted by Sarge

It will not "fix" anything.

It is not and was never meant to "fix" anything. It is a coincidence that I suddenly had some spare time I could use to work on my todo list. Fyi, this was on my todo list since I made the first demos for a new layout over a year ago. Applying fixes mentioned in the other thread may take a little longer than those 5 days that thread is running, we have to commit to a decision first.

Originally Posted by Sarge

... and probably clicked the "dislike" button as well. See, that's another problem with the missing names. I will just assume that it was you who disliked my post.

According to Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, Assumption is the mother of ~~~~-ups.

Originally Posted by chairboys

The quote above is from Evil Nickname. Read it. Now, tell me what there is not to like about that sentence as it stands. I can't see anything, yet it received a negative vote.

You have to see it in context with Dave's reply immediately before. It is meant to be a "joke". Not all people like this kind of humor, hence the dislike. And if you consider his next post in this thread, one could get the impression that this was a trolling attempt. Or not.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Was the dislike function added just for the sake of Wario's posts?

That was one of the reasons.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Sarge

What has clicking "dislike" to do with "ignoring" a post?

I think the dislike is a compromise between not saying anything and getting into an argument.

As we've all seen, there have been plenty of times on this forum where people have felt compelled to tell a poster they are wrong, and have then gone into great detail to tell them just how wrong they are.

This will in turn incite a reply from the poster defending their point of view, and before we know it it's WWIII.

The dislike button will hopefully prove useful as some forum users may be content to clicking "dislike" to publicly signify their disagreement, rather than with lenghy posts which invite retaliation.



I've got high hopes (mmmmm, time for some Floyd ) but if it proves to cause more problems than it solves it can always be taken off