do you miss the over 8 minute Meat Loaf song?

Wario · 26 Jul 2012, 17:23

we havent had one since Seize the Night, I was just wondering if there were any thoughts on the matter.

With the exception of POE, Love is Not Real, and Elvis in Vegas, nothing from the past two records exceeded 6 minutes.

In fact nothing on HIAHB exceeds the 5:40 range

any thoughts?

tonyloaf · 26 Jul 2012, 18:36

Agree with you all the way! The meat loaf style , long and loud

**The Flying Mouse** · 26 Jul 2012, 18:47

Would be nice to hear a new epic.

Cherry.Loaf · 26 Jul 2012, 22:14

I'd quite like a new 8 minute song but they usually seem to be more fantasy based where as hiahb and hctb sound more realistic? Does that make any sense to anyone but me ha ha

Evil One · 26 Jul 2012, 22:32

Only if it's good. I don't want a crap 4 minute song stretched out to 8 minutes.

LucyK! · 27 Jul 2012, 00:37

Unless Jim writes it, no.

No-one is better than Jim at writing the long, epic pieces, and I think if Meat was presented with one now it woul be by someone trying to re-create the "Meat Loaf style" which isn't going to work.

wolfy35 · 27 Jul 2012, 00:57

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

Unless Jim writes it, no.

No-one is better than Jim at writing the long, epic pieces, and I think if Meat was presented with one now it woul be by someone trying to re-create the "Meat Loaf style" which isn't going to work.

There are already some epic Steinman tracks that Meat has not either recorded or released so for me it would be if Jim could produce it as well, I can quite happily live without a long Steinman track that had been butchered like the ones Child did for TMIL

Mr. Happy · 27 Jul 2012, 08:33

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

No-one is better than Jim at writing the long, epic pieces, and I think if Meat was presented with one now it woul be by someone trying to re-create the "Meat Loaf style" which isn't going to work.

It wouldn't be an issue if that's the style he was going for. Would be a complete 180, but it'd work

I think it CAN be done right without Jim, though. Couldn't Have Said It Better is a good example. You just need to have a writer that knows what they're doing. Sort of like James Michael

I'd rather have a song focus on quality rather than quantity (length). I don't need another 7 minute Monster is Loose, or an 8 minute Future Ain't What It Used To Be when it's a far, far cry from what it could be. I don't care if it's a long song, so long as it's a GOOD song. And likewise, I don't care if a song is an exceptionally short song (like Cry to Heaven). As long as it's a good song

With that said, when they're done right, long songs tend to have something that shorter songs don't. You couldn't squeeze Objects into three minutes, and that's arguably one of the best songs Meat Loaf has ever recorded AND it's THE longest (after Anything For Love) studio song. You couldn't do Anything For Love, Bat, Paradise or For Crying Out Loud in three minutes. Yet notice how these are Meat's best songs?

Does that answer the question?

PanicLord · 27 Jul 2012, 09:01

It would be great to have a brand new epic song but as others have said I'm more interested in the quality of song than its length. A top drawer Steinman track with quality production and Meat on fire? Hell yeah!

Elijah's way · 27 Jul 2012, 13:33

Yes please!!!

James Michael, Rick Brantly and Nikki Sixx could easley write an 8 min epic song

GDW · 27 Jul 2012, 17:39

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Originally Posted by Elijah's way

Yes please!!!

James Michael, Rick Brantly and Nikki Sixx could easley write an 8 min epic song

They might be able to write it but they won't be able to arrange and produce it like Mr Jim Bob.

Dave · 27 Jul 2012, 18:03

Not really. It is nice to hear a Meat Loaf song that does not have to repeat the same line over and over again.

GDW · 27 Jul 2012, 18:11

At least it sticks in your head.

Dave · 28 Jul 2012, 00:29

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Originally Posted by GDW

At least it sticks in your head.

But it still repeats over and over again...does not bring anything new to the party.

Evil One · 28 Jul 2012, 14:13

Would Objects In The Rear View Mirror be the same without the repetition?

Wario · 28 Jul 2012, 14:35

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Would Objects In The Rear View Mirror be the same without the repetition?

It was cut down a tad on VBO and i never really noticed. I think its the one flaw of a flawless song.

Youre better off asking why Everything Louder took forever to fade out

Meat Loaf_fan · 28 Jul 2012, 14:48

I'm happy with what Meat is doing in last 2 years. (HCTB is on 2-nd position, HIAH is on 3-rd position in my private ranking.) Of course Meat is famous from long songs, but to me is only matter if that songs are good. For example (from "Hang Cool Teddy Bear"): I love "Elvis In Vegas"

and "Peace On Earth"

, but on the other hand "Love Is Not Real"

is the weakest song on the album (at least to me). How to sum up? Maybe in this way: Meat - please still be happy when you are giving to people so much enjoyment

.

Wario · 28 Jul 2012, 16:06

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Originally Posted by Meat Loaf_fan

I'm happy with what Meat is doing in last 2 years. (HCTB is on 2-nd position, HIAH is on 3-rd position in my private ranking.) Of course Meat is famous from long songs, but to me is only matter if that songs are good. For example (from "Hang Cool Teddy Bear"): I love "Elvis In Vegas"

and "Peace On Earth"

, but on the other hand "Love Is Not Real"

is the weakest song on the album (at least to me). How to sum up? Maybe in this way: Meat - please still be happy when you are giving to people so much enjoyment

.

I am too (youre right about LINR, its pretty poor and filler in some regards). I just hope on either this winters possible Xmas album (which I wonder who all forgot about that?) or the next record we get an 8+ minute spectacle. Itd be nice to get an 8+ minute Xmas song XD

Meat Loaf_fan · 28 Jul 2012, 16:35

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Originally Posted by Wario

I am too (youre right about LINR, its pretty poor and filler in some regards). I just hope on either this winters possible Xmas album (which I wonder who all forgot about that?) or the next record we get an 8+ minute spectacle. Itd be nice to get an 8+ minute Xmas song XD

"Hot Holidays"? With Reba McEntire (

)? I would be more than happy.

**The Flying Mouse** · 28 Jul 2012, 17:05

Love Is Not Real is one of the highlights of HCTB for me

Evil One · 28 Jul 2012, 17:24

It was one of the lowlights for me.

Adje · 28 Jul 2012, 18:46

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Originally Posted by Evil One

It was one of the lowlights for me.

Which perfectly made it fit with the rest of the songs, for me

**The Flying Mouse** · 28 Jul 2012, 18:47

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Originally Posted by Evil One

It was one of the lowlights for me.

Well you're wrong

samurai7 · 28 Jul 2012, 18:50

I personally thought it was one of the best on there too

(But the best song didn't make the final album)

CarylB · 28 Jul 2012, 18:58

To be honest I don't have any issue with whether the song lasts 3 minutes or 15. If it's the kind of sing that benefits from being a longer song than the norm, great. If it doesn't, then I don't have any problem.

CHSIB and DIST were longer songs on CHSIB .. I loved them both. But I love Cry to Heaven and Blue sky, both short songs. It's the message, the lyrics, the music and Meat for me .. and whether that's delivered over 2 minutes or 12 minutes is immaterial. I love Meat's style since Rob Cavallo let him run exactly where he wanted. That would be the only thing I would not want to see reined in.

Caryl

26 Jul 2012, 17:23	#1
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	do you miss the over 8 minute Meat Loaf song? we havent had one since Seize the Night, I was just wondering if there were any thoughts on the matter. With the exception of POE, Love is Not Real, and Elvis in Vegas, nothing from the past two records exceeded 6 minutes. In fact nothing on HIAHB exceeds the 5:40 range any thoughts?

26 Jul 2012, 18:36	#2
tonyloaf Metal Head Join Date: 15.05.2006 Location: Brighton Posts: 2,400	Agree with you all the way! The meat loaf style , long and loud

26 Jul 2012, 18:47	#3
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Would be nice to hear a new epic.

26 Jul 2012, 22:14	#4
Cherry.Loaf Los Angeloser Join Date: 02.04.2010 Location: Bristol Posts: 1,072	I'd quite like a new 8 minute song but they usually seem to be more fantasy based where as hiahb and hctb sound more realistic? Does that make any sense to anyone but me ha ha

26 Jul 2012, 22:32	#5
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,194	Only if it's good. I don't want a crap 4 minute song stretched out to 8 minutes.

27 Jul 2012, 00:37	#6
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Unless Jim writes it, no. No-one is better than Jim at writing the long, epic pieces, and I think if Meat was presented with one now it woul be by someone trying to re-create the "Meat Loaf style" which isn't going to work.

27 Jul 2012, 09:01	#9
PanicLord Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: At The End Of The Line Posts: 2,654	It would be great to have a brand new epic song but as others have said I'm more interested in the quality of song than its length. A top drawer Steinman track with quality production and Meat on fire? Hell yeah!

27 Jul 2012, 13:33	#10
Elijah's way Soul Auctioneer Join Date: 26.06.2005 Location: Muscle Shoals, AL Posts: 1,529	Yes please!!! James Michael, Rick Brantly and Nikki Sixx could easley write an 8 min epic song

27 Jul 2012, 18:03	#12
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564	Not really. It is nice to hear a Meat Loaf song that does not have to repeat the same line over and over again.

27 Jul 2012, 18:11	#13
GDW Super Loafer Join Date: 26.03.2010 Location: Perth Posts: 984	At least it sticks in your head.

28 Jul 2012, 14:13	#15
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,194	Would Objects In The Rear View Mirror be the same without the repetition?

28 Jul 2012, 14:48	#17
Meat Loaf_fan Super Loafer Join Date: 01.03.2008 Location: Gdańsk (Poland) Posts: 311	I'm happy with what Meat is doing in last 2 years. (HCTB is on 2-nd position, HIAH is on 3-rd position in my private ranking.) Of course Meat is famous from long songs, but to me is only matter if that songs are good. For example (from "Hang Cool Teddy Bear"): I love "Elvis In Vegas" and "Peace On Earth" , but on the other hand "Love Is Not Real" is the weakest song on the album (at least to me). How to sum up? Maybe in this way: Meat - please still be happy when you are giving to people so much enjoyment .

28 Jul 2012, 17:05	#20
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Love Is Not Real is one of the highlights of HCTB for me

28 Jul 2012, 17:24	#21
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,194	It was one of the lowlights for me.

28 Jul 2012, 18:50	#24
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	I personally thought it was one of the best on there too (But the best song didn't make the final album)

28 Jul 2012, 18:58	#25
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	To be honest I don't have any issue with whether the song lasts 3 minutes or 15. If it's the kind of sing that benefits from being a longer song than the norm, great. If it doesn't, then I don't have any problem. CHSIB and DIST were longer songs on CHSIB .. I loved them both. But I love Cry to Heaven and Blue sky, both short songs. It's the message, the lyrics, the music and Meat for me .. and whether that's delivered over 2 minutes or 12 minutes is immaterial. I love Meat's style since Rob Cavallo let him run exactly where he wanted. That would be the only thing I would not want to see reined in. Caryl