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Old 26 Oct 2012, 09:04   #26
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Oh dear. I dont like how this is going to end up. Think its a bad move.
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 09:48   #27
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I sense Springsteen's support for Obama is more strong and relevant really.

I don't think there is much weight in Meat's support if I'm honest. At the end of the day he has not really sung a lot of political songs unlike people like Dylan and Springsteen nor has he really made politically related statements at concerts before as far as I am aware. So why support? How is it related to Meat's music?

The singing in that video sounded awful by all of the guys. It looked like a drunk night out at a karaoke bar with Mitt the shit.

Mitt is a lemon who Meat Loaf shouldn't back.

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Old 26 Oct 2012, 10:24   #28
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After that spectacle do you think Meat and Jim will ever work together again?
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 10:40   #29
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Do you think Meat and many other people will ever work together?
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 10:47   #30
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Yeah one other. Mitt Romney.
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 11:21   #31
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Politics and rock don't mix. Sad to see that Meat has abandoned this principle after standing by it for so long. I'd be saying that regardless of which candidate he endorsed. Music unites. Politics divides, and this is likely to divide his fanbase. A rock star telling people to get out and vote is one thing - a rock star telling people who they should vote for is quite another.

Meat's music has conveyed principles, emotions and values without relying on party politics the way many others have. I always considered that to be a great strength.

Meat Loaf, as a name, as a public person and as a performer, means something to the general public. I see no purpose to celebrity endorsement other than to make the traits associated with that celebrity associated with that particular political candidate. It ties them together, 'Think Meat Loaf, think Romney' or else what's the point?

Hell In A Handbasket proved Meat could convey his values without asking to pick sides. This just puts up a barrier between fans. At the risk of sounding rude, I'd wager that a ringing endorsement for one side or the other probably does more damage to Meat Loaf fandom than it does good for the candidate.

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Old 26 Oct 2012, 11:31   #32
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Mitt is a lemon who Meat Loaf shouldn't back.
He certainly didn't endear himself with the British folk when he dropped a couple of clangers during his Olympic visit!
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 11:33   #33
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Politics and rock don't mix. Sad to see that Meat has abandoned this principle after standing by it for so long. I'd be saying that regardless of which candidate he endorsed. Music unites. Politics divides, and this is likely to divide his fanbase. A rock star telling people to get out and vote is one thing - a rock star telling people who they should vote for is quite another.

Meat's music has conveyed principles, emotions and values without relying on party politics the way many others have. I always considered that to be a great strength.
I feel fooled. Meat has disappointed me. With his performance, with what he said, and how he said it. I feel sad.
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 12:07   #34
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Politics and rock don't mix.
I very much disagree. Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan?

Regardless of what happened here, I always knew Meat supported the republicans. As much as I disagree with their view points on many things it doesn't really change my opinion on Meat's music because as I said his music isn't political. This is different with the before mentioned artists.
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I very much disagree. Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan?

Regardless of what happened here, I always knew Meat supported the republicans. As much as I disagree with their view points on many things it doesn't really change my opinion on Meat's music because as I said his music isn't political. This is different with the before mentioned artists.
I made that exact point in my post.

'Meat's music has conveyed principles, emotions and values without relying on party politics the way many others have.'
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 12:38   #36
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I just don't understand the hate towards Meat over this. Emotionally or in any other way his speaking out has not changed how I feel or think of him. Granted, I am not American, but I think that means diddly squat as far as how you treat a human who has voiced his opinion, respectfully at that.

The man stood up and voiced his opinion, which is something that's getting harder and harder to do without scrutiny these days. I applaud him for that, so many people sit back and keep quiet, then kick up the stink later down the track.

On Twitter I likened it to me hating my coach because he likes chocolate and maybe I like strawberry flavour... It is pointless. All this hate over something so petty.

Meat has Mitts back? I don't care, I have Meat's back regardless of who he supports. Personally I prefer Obama *shrugs* but Meat means more to me than some politician who has nawt to do with me. Especially seeing as even politics in my own country is something I don't care for.

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Old 26 Oct 2012, 12:43   #37
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 12:45   #38
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On Twitter I likened it to me hating my coach because he likes chocolate and maybe I like strawberry flavour... It is pointless. All this hate over something so petty.
I don't think anyone's expressed hate (unless I've missed it).

What if your coach told you to like chocolate flavour, that chocolate flavour was the right choice and that you should argue with anyone who says differently?

Most people hold matters such as human rights, wars, healthcare etc. closer to heart than that anyhow.
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 12:49   #39
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Chocolate trumps political views.
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 13:14   #40
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I don't think anyone's expressed hate (unless I've missed it).

What if your coach told you to like chocolate flavour, that chocolate flavour was the right choice and that you should argue with anyone who says differently?
Hating aplenty on his facebook, not here, sorry should have been specific.

As for your other point, I'd have to respectfully disagree and carry on supporting strawberry. Without abusing him and telling him I will no longer play in his team because he likes chocolate and I dont! Even though I love my team, love my sport and think he's a pretty awesome, experienced coach.... Because chocolate v strawberry is much more important than all that... "Grab yer pitchforks!" (for the record, I prefer chocolate!)

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I don't think anyone's expressed hate (unless I've missed it).
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Perhaps not here Michael, but elsewhere? Yes. Trolls abound. You said:
'Meat's music has conveyed principles, emotions and values without relying on party politics the way many others have.' This has not changed; it still does.

Would I vote Republican if I were an American? Absolutely not. Would I defend anyone's right to support whomever they choose? Yes .. that's what the "Freedom of speech" I see so frequently bandied about here and elsewhere on the internet is all about surely?

Meat is a fantastic performer, a lovely human being with real soul, who is kind and gracious with his fans. That's enough for me.

And I'd give you a hundred of the jackasses who don't even BOTHER to vote in our elections (particularly women who had to fight to even get the vote only a hundred years or so ago) for ONE man who cares enough to vote, and to put himself on the line.

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Old 26 Oct 2012, 13:30   #42
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Everything I've seen about Romney gives me the impression that he is willing to pat the lower-middle classes on the head, looking down his nose at them ,all the while helping out his friends and fellow millionaires.

The impression i get from Obama is that he's someone that has a better grasp of what it is like for lower-middle classes and is trying to change it.

I liken America to a heart attack patient at the moment; they had 8 years where so many things that can damage them were constantly piled on before the heart attack hit and now it's slowly trying to recover by making some strides but not overdoing things because all the problems could come back again and force another collapse.

As for that performance of America the beautiful, if Meat hadn't tried to be 'Meat Loaf' and just sang it, I doubt there'd be the reaction there has been.

Maybe he just got caught up in the moment but I doubt anyone not knowing who he was would've come away from watching that thinking 'Hey, I'd better get me some Meat Loaf albums'

Oh and just to add I don't care who supports what political party, we all have our reasons for doing so.
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 13:42   #43
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Hating aplenty on his facebook, not here, sorry should have been specific.

As for your other point, I'd have to respectfully disagree and carry on supporting strawberry. Without abusing him and telling him I will no longer play in his team because he likes chocolate and I dont! Even though I love my team, love my sport and think he's a pretty awesome, experienced coach.... Because chocolate v strawberry is much more important than all that... "Grab yer pitchforks!" (for the record, I prefer chocolate!)

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When all's said and done, 'I like chocolate more than strawberry' isn't going to cause offense, upset or alienation from people who disagree. 'I don't think you should have the right to do this or that' is, and when you endorse a political candidate you are also endorsing their often very divisive views.

The people on Facebook may well be thinking that by endorsing Mitt Romney, Meat has now publicly declared his views on all kinds of topics - women's rights, gay rights, military, taxes, healthcare and so on. I'd wager previously none of us really wondered about what Meat thought of those issues. Personally, I had no real desire to know and was happy that people from all walks of life could come together and enjoy the music without thinking about that.

Why does it matter what presidential candidate Meat supports? I don't know, ask him. He's the one who decided to make it a matter of public record.

Should it change the way his fans think or feel in any way? If not, then why bother doing it?

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Old 26 Oct 2012, 13:51   #44
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Politics is NOT place for celebrities!!! I'm very disappointed that Meat would sink this low and endorse such a arrogant pompous sun of a bitch. Like Obama says "the last thing we need is to move backward, we need to move forward".

Does he actually think that Romney is gonna get more votes just becaues he is endorsing him? If he wins it's gonna be like having Bush back.

I stand firm with Obama!!!
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Old 26 Oct 2012, 14:11   #45
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who cares????? In the live atmosphere its different. U just heard a raw board feed. terrible mix.
I could really give a crap what any celebrity political alignment is, It will have absolutely no bearing on how I vote.

But I'm sorry dude, there is no defending that vocal performance at all. That was one of the most atrocious things I have ever heard

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Sorry but Meat made a fool out of himself and he'll never live it down.
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When all's said and done, 'I like chocolate more than strawberry' isn't going to cause offense, upset or alienation from people who disagree. 'I don't think you should have the right to do this or that' is, and when you endorse a political candidate you are also endorsing their often very divisive views.

The people on Facebook may well be thinking that by endorsing Mitt Romney, Meat has now publicly declared his views on all kinds of topics - women's rights, gay rights, military, taxes, healthcare and so on. I'd wager previously none of us really wondered about what Meat thought of those issues. Personally, I had no real desire to know and was happy that people from all walks of life could come together and enjoy the music without thinking about that.

Why does it matter what presidential candidate Meat supports? I don't know, ask him. He's the one who decided to make it a matter of public record.

Should it change the way his fans think or feel in any way? If not, then why bother doing it?
I did say, I'm not American, I have no idea what his policies are, nor do I care. I care about Meat, yes. I'm not trying to argue who is right and who is wrong, plus I have already mentioned how I sit with this.

Chocolate & strawberry was merely an example and the most simple thing I could think of (my coach over indulged in hot chocolates the other week, so it was relevant to me)

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Politics and rock don't mix. Sad to see that Meat has abandoned this principle after standing by it for so long. I'd be saying that regardless of which candidate he endorsed. Music unites. Politics divides, and this is likely to divide his fanbase. A rock star telling people to get out and vote is one thing - a rock star telling people who they should vote for is quite another.

Meat's music has conveyed principles, emotions and values without relying on party politics the way many others have. I always considered that to be a great strength.

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Hell In A Handbasket proved Meat could convey his values without asking to pick sides. This just puts up a barrier between fans. At the risk of sounding rude, I'd wager that a ringing endorsement for one side or the other probably does more damage to Meat Loaf fandom than it does good for the candidate.
Shall we list all the musicians who have openly supported Obama?
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Everyone on here is always talking about Meat's "rights" and that he deserves "respect". Now we see people's true colors, you want to slag on him because he did not endorse the liberal. Meanwhile Katy Perry was endorsing Obama, joining Springsteen, etc. and not a whimper. People are hypocrites. You say Meat deserves our respect then respect his right to make his choice. He is a grown man and knows what he is doing. Go Meat! I support your right to endorse whomever you choose, even if you had picked the other guy.

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Again - please, if you feel the need....attack words not people. Name calling and personal attacks do not help promote intelligence on your side of the argument.
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