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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:11   #201
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Lets just put it this way, if I was a gay Meat Loaf fan- or if I was a women that was a victim of rape. Or if I fell into the 47% of Americans that Romney doesn't worry about no matter how he tries to spin in the other way when he is caught. If I was a fan that fell into these categories can you honestly say you wouldn't feel dissapointed and divided by Meats sudden public views
Yes I can say I am neither disappointed, nor will I fail to follow his career and go to the shows. Why? Because I know he is not anti-gay and he is pro-choice. And if I did not know, I'd damn well find out before passing judgement.

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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:18   #202
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Yes I can say I am neither disappointed, nor will I fail to follow his career and go to the shows. Why? Because I know he is not anti-gay and he is pro-choice. And if I did not, I'd damn well find out before passing judgement.
If you endorse somebody it says to the public (the electorate) this is the guy I agree with- that is the point. There is no arguing that statement. Meat has dented his reputation with this endorsement which was accompanied by a painful performance- and this time it was totally self inflicted.
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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:22   #203
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Meat HAS said why. He has said he really believes that Romney is best placed to deal with the economic issues the US is facing, and that although he voted for Obama he does not believe any more that he can do this.

Whether he chooses to post that here is up to him.
So he does what he never did before... ENDORSING. Really? He never did it in the past, so now Mitt Romney is better than all other candidates that Meat has ever suported. Because he didn't endorse any of them.

He didn't just pick a candidate out of two, he basically said THIS IS THE CANDIDATE I ALWAYS WAITED FOR so I do what I never did before and Endorse this guy.

He endorsed the guy. Which means he likes him a lot more than just for one agenda point. Don't tell me in the past Meat didn't have a candidate he thought was best for the economy. Yet now he goes public on it? Puhleaasssee

If that's the case you better agree on all fundamental issues... which oddly enough Meat now claims he does not... Hmmmmmmmm

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Because I know he is not anti-gay and he is pro-choice. And if I did not, I'd damn well find out before passing judgement.
But yet he now says 'This anti-gay candidate is the one I endorse!'

Basically he's ondoing all his -pro-gay stuff from the past by picking a candidate that turns the clock back for gay people... Hmmmmmmmmmmm

again, if this is Meat's stand today, fine. But have the balls, or rather a backbone to come out for it. Millions of Romney fans do...
You can't go both ways.
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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:25   #204
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So he does what he never did before... ENDORSING. Really? He never did it in the past, so now Mitt Romney is better than all other candidates that Meat has ever suported. Because he didn't endorse any of them.

He didn't just pick a candidate out of two, he basically said THIS IS THE CANDIDATE I ALWAYS WAITED FOR so I do what I never did before and Endorse this guy.

He endorsed the guy. Which means he likes him a lot more than just for one agenda point. Don't tell me in the past Meat didn't have a candidate he thought was best for the economy. Yet now he goes public on it? Puhleaasssee

If that's the case you better agree on all fundamental issues... which oddly enough Meat now claims he does not... Hmmmmmmmm


But yet he now says 'This anti-gay candidate is the one I endorse!'

Basically he's ondoing all his -pro-gay stuff from the past by picking a candidate that turns the clock back for gay people... Hmmmmmmmmmmm

again, if this is Meat's stand today, fine. But have the balls, or rather a backbone to come out for it. Millions of Romney fans do...
You can't go both ways.

Well said!
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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:30   #205
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If you endorse somebody it says to the public (the electorate) this is the guy I agree with- that is the point. There is no arguing that statement. Meat has dented his reputation with this endorsement which was accompanied by a painful performance- and this time it was totally self inflicted.
A question was asked. I answered it. In my opinion endorsing any political party or candidate does not necessarily mean you agree with everything on their platform. You think it does. Our opinions differ.

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So he does what he never did before... ENDORSING. Really? He never did it in the past, so now Mitt Romney is better than all other candidates that Meat has ever suported. Because he didn't endorse any of them.
In the past year we have seen Meat express his concerns for the way the world is going. He believes there is a crisis to be dealt with in the USA. He believes Obama is not the one to resolve it. In my view his concern has developed to the point he has decided to make a stand.

In my view Meat has considerably more balls than those who anonymously hit and run on his FB page
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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:40   #206
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When there are only two real viable candidates I find it quite insulting to suggest that when you support republicans this automatically equals homophobia.

Shocking generalisation in fact. Some of the stuff posted here is akin to bullying as well. Ie. vote for Obama or you are a homophobe you filthy pig. ? WTF?

Meat is not a homophobe or against women's rights in my opinion.

You only have to look at a few hard core liberals such as Michael Moore and Bruce Springsteen (listen to his Wrecking Ball album) to find out many don't agree with a large part of Obama's Wall Street / banking support policies yet they both still come out and endorse Obama to the brim.

What I find sad is that both parties in the States couldn't work together to sort out the national debt problem, instead they just raised the debt ceiling and left the problem for another day. Quite a childish resolution. Both parties should have done something about this. So in this case, who do you vote for? Ie. it makes no difference with regards to many policies.

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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:41   #207
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Yes to all, and I would assure them that Meat doesn't have a homophobic bone in his body
He endorsed an anti-gay rights candidate. Gay rights have been a hot button issue in this election. Civil liberties matter. Not everyone has spoken to Meat Loaf to know he doesn't endorse this view. Indeed, he has endorsed that candidate vociferously, making no mention of any exceptions at the event.

He could have used his one vote to count for the candidate he supported, but no, he publicly endorsed the candidate running under these policies and therefore made himself answerable to them.

It is utter bulls--- if Meat proposes that WE should argue with OUR family and friends in favor of a guy who's policies he in some instances apparently completely disagrees with, yet didn't have the balls to say so at the rally when he was busy getting people to chant that guy's name like the brainless sycophants he obviously thinks those who would be swayed by his endorsement must be.

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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:49   #208
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He endorsed an anti-gay rights candidate. Gay rights have been a hot button issue in this election. Civil liberties matter. Not everyone has spoken to Meat Loaf to know he doesn't endorse this view. Indeed, he has endorsed that candidate vociferously, making no mention of any exceptions at the event.

He could have used his one vote to count for the candidate he supported, but no, he publicly endorsed the candidate running under these policies and therefore made himself answerable to them.
This is not a one policy election. That statement is maddening. The main policies are the economy and jobs.
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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:50   #209
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This is not a one policy election. That statement is maddening.
Indeed it isn't. But nor was that was a 90% or an 80% endorsement.
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When there are only two real viable candidates I find it quite insulting to suggest that when you support republicans this automatically equals homophobia.

Shocking generalisation in fact.

Meat is not a homophobe or against women's rights in my opinion.

You only have to look at a few hard core liberals such as Michael Moore and Bruce Springsteen (listen to his Wrecking Ball album) to find out many don't agree with a large part of Obama's Wall Street / banking support policies yet they both still come out and endorse Obama to the brim.
Obviously not everyone believes your opinon about Meat's position on gays and women's rights. Myself and several others share the opinion that Meat's endorsement of Romney, when he has never endorsed a candidate before flies in the face of his previous stance on these issues. Romney is clearly against gays, some would say he is even homophobic. Meat's clear endorsement, means that essentially he agrees with this man's views, even though on his FB page he has tried to back-pedal on this. Meat's words say one thing his action have shown a different postition, which calls into question what his real view is.
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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:52   #211
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Indeed it isn't. But nor was that was a 90% or an 80% endorsement.
I've yet to come across a celebrity that close to an election will endorse a presidential candidate 80% or 90%. In a two horse race you will have to put your money on someone, you can't realistically wishy washy between them.
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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:55   #212
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When there are only two real viable candidates I find it quite insulting to suggest that when you support republicans this automatically equals homophobia.

Shocking generalisation in fact.

Meat is not a homophobe or against women's rights in my opinion.

You only have to look at a few hard core liberals such as Michael Moore and Bruce Springsteen (listen to his Wrecking Ball album) to find out many don't agree with a large part of Obama's Wall Street / banking support policies yet they both still come out and endorse Obama to the brim.

What I find sad is that both parties in the States couldn't work together to sort out the national debt problem, instead they just raised the debt ceiling and left the problem for another day. Quite a childish resolution. Both parties should have done something about this. So in this case, who do you vote for? Ie. it makes no difference with regards to many policies.

Why are you upset? You're not a Republican, correct? No one here as far as I know said Meat was anti-gay, women, or anything eles. Unfortunately and I'll specific here. When it comes to issues concerning the lgbt community Republican policies are not in their favor.
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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:58   #213
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who cause his political beliefs? like seriously. 20 new posts and they are all here. this place is turning into a political shit-fest. lets lock this and move on with our lives!!!!
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Old 27 Oct 2012, 23:59   #214
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who cause his political beliefs? like seriously. 20 new posts and they are all here. this place is turning into a political shit-fest. lets lock this and move on with our lives!!!!
They are all on topic though
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I've yet to come across a celebrity that close to an election will endorse a presidential candidate 80% or 90%. In a two horse race you will have to put your money on someone, you can't realistically wishy washy between them.
If it's the slightly better of the two or the lesser of two evils, the sane thing to do would be make your own vote and keep your trap shut.

When it's your first endorsement in 40 years, and you decide to use your celebrity, endorsing a candidate whom you disagree with on such huge issues as civil liberties, gay rights and women rights, that seems like a very peculiar decision indeed.
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Old 28 Oct 2012, 00:00   #216
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who cause his political beliefs? like seriously. 20 new posts and they are all here. this place is turning into a political shit-fest. lets lock this and move on with our lives!!!!
You can hardly NOT expect a discussion when the artist we are talking about has made such a statement this week. But if this gets locked that's fine with me. It won't be the first time a thread is getting locked that has generated vast interest in which everyone has been able to express their opinions.
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This is not a one policy election. That statement is maddening. The main policies are the economy and jobs.

Wrong! We have supreme court judges ready to step down. That is HUGE for the US and it's future.
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If it's the slightly better of the two or the lesser of two evils, the sane thing to do would be make your own vote and keep your trap shut.

When it's your first endorsement in 40 years, and you decide to use your celebrity, endorsing a candidate whom you disagree with on such huge issues as civil liberties, gay rights and women rights, that seems like a very peculiar decision indeed.
I see where you are coming from and I agree with you on that.
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Old 28 Oct 2012, 00:02   #219
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who cause his political beliefs? like seriously. 20 new posts and they are all here. this place is turning into a political shit-fest. lets lock this and move on with our lives!!!!
Give me a break.
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I see where you are coming from and I agree with you on that.
Cheers.

Since this is all about voting, I'd like to pose a couple of questions (for anyone) that I alluded to earlier.

Do you think this has done anybody any good? In other words, do you think Romney is more likely to win because of Meat's appearance and endorsement/do you think it has helped Meat Loaf in any way?

Do you think this has harmed Meat's relationship with some of his fans and caused them to feel uncomfortable or ask questions of him that hadn't previously been an issue?

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Cheers.


Do you think this has done anybody any good? In other words, do you think Romney is more likely to win because of Meat's appearance and endorsement/do you think it has helped Meat Loaf in any way?

Do you think this has harmed Meat's relationship with some of his fans and caused them to feel uncomfortable or ask questions of him that hadn't previously been an issue?


He will not win.

I don't think this has helped meat.

I'm struggling with his actions right now.
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Old 28 Oct 2012, 00:17   #222
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Cheers.

Since this is all about voting, I'd like to pose a couple of questions (for anyone) that I alluded to earlier.

Do you think this has done anybody any good? In other words, do you think Romney is more likely to win because of Meat's appearance and endorsement/do you think it has helped Meat Loaf in any way?

Do you think this has harmed Meat's relationship with some of his fans and caused them to feel uncomfortable or ask questions of him that hadn't previously been an issue?
I don't think it will have helped Romney's campaign that much. I hope he doesn't win but then I am not sure if Obama will make much of a difference over the next four years either. Guantánamo Bay is still open for example. There is only so much a president can do I guess.

I do think Meat's endorsement will have alienated a few fans, it's clear from the reactions. Some of that will probably blow over. Will it harm record sales or concert tickets? His weak performance will probably have had more of an influence on that I think.
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You only have to look at a few hard core liberals such as Michael Moore and Bruce Springsteen (listen to his Wrecking Ball album) to find out many don't agree with a large part of Obama's Wall Street / banking support policies yet they both still come out and endorse Obama to the brim.
Exactly.

And given what he wanted to achieve I think that was a glaring tactical error on Obama's part. Will Romney, if elected, do any better? I don't know. What I do know is that I support Meat's right to make a choice and support that candidate, without my suggesting he doesn't know what he's doing, has ruined his career, has called into question his integrity and compassion, and even his long established practice of being at ease with people whatever their sexual orientation and supportive of women.

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I do think Meat's endorsement will have alienated a few fans, it's clear from the reactions. Some of that will probably blow over. Will it harm record sales or concert tickets? His weak performance will probably have had more of an influence on that I think.
It may alienate a few .. I think when he tours here the vast majority of fans may not know or care that much, and will just buy their tickets and look forward to a great night out.

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who cause his political beliefs? like seriously. 20 new posts and they are all here. this place is turning into a political shit-fest. lets lock this and move on with our lives!!!!
but it's been one of the more interesting threads recently, with some healthy debate, and good variety of positions and beliefs being voiced.

i like this thread
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Cheers.

Since this is all about voting, I'd like to pose a couple of questions (for anyone) that I alluded to earlier.

Do you think this has done anybody any good? In other words, do you think Romney is more likely to win because of Meat's appearance and endorsement/do you think it has helped Meat Loaf in any way?

Do you think this has harmed Meat's relationship with some of his fans and caused them to feel uncomfortable or ask questions of him that hadn't previously been an issue?
I think you only have to look on this forum to discover that it has harmed his relationship with some of his fans, I think if anything this has damaged Meats reputation the most. Meat hasn't been in the mainstream media in the US for quite a few years, the other night he came back into it- not with a performance that proved he still has it or with an album that will sell millions once again, but instead he returned to the spotlight as a tired, old rocker who couldn't sing in tune, a republican who supports a man who has divided a nation and with it has perhaps divided his own following. I can take no positives from it.
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