Meat Loaf Endorses Mitt Romney For POTUS

[lorenzoduke]

Originally Posted by loaferman61

I am sure he would expect that his own fans would respect his right of choice even though they disagree with him.

I would find that a disgustingly hypocritical thing for someone who has told people to argue with family and friends rather than respecting their own political views to think.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Where have they gone then?

Not deleted by Meat, but removed by FB after being reported as sexually graphic and offensive

[Sarge]

Just out of curiosity, how do you know in detail how Meat Loaf's FB page is being administrated? How do you know who deletes what and why?

[LuuuuvMeat]

Originally Posted by loaferman61

Hopefully Meat will see that some support his right to endorse whomever he wishes. He also knows much the same happened to African-American actress Stacey Dash when she endorsed Romney. You are going to get attacked by the liberal mob because it is not hate when they do it. I am sure he would expect that his own fans would respect his right of choice even though they disagree with him. 90% of what I have read online against Meat is from what are in my opinion radical homosexuals, Meat has never done or said anything that would indicate he is anti-gay in any way. He just chose between the only 2 options we get and Obama previous to this election was non-committal at most on the gay marriage thing. I am also betting a lot of these people saying they "were a fan" never really were.

Liberal mob? Radical homosexuals?

Sounds like Fox news sound bites. LOL!

[The Flying Mouse]

Thread cleaned.
Enough with the personal attacks.
This thread has got bundles of fun already without the same old personal arguments cropping up.

Stick to the topic.


As for the deletion (by Meat or Facebook) I can't say i'm suprised. If somebody called me a "fat f*ck" i'm sure i'd delete it myself. I can't think of a single reason for someone to let that stand on their own page
The same goes for people who post saying they're going to burn all his albums. Why would you want such a tirade of hate on your own wall?
Especially when it's bound to do nothing more than encourage other loonies (let me repeat the word for emphisis, LOONIES) to post such hate messages just because the guy picked a candidate they don't agree with.

Folks have posted here that they support Romney, but those people are not called gay bashers or women haters. Their choice of candidate might not be agreed with, but they are at least treated with respect (or at the very least, a lack of open hostility).

It's such a shame that part of his fanbase projects so much onto him that they feel betrayed that he has a different political point of view from them.

People like that are freaking nuts

Originally Posted by AndrewG

How do you know this for sure? Do you have some statistics to back this up? You only have to look at the reactions of some of the hard core fans here to see that some people ARE disappointed. A lesser hard core fan may indeed throw the records out or not play or buy them anymore or not go to his gigs anymore. I certainly think that this is a possibility because of this association. If Romney wins I think that that is even more likely than if he loses.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was a healthy mix of both fans and assholes who say they're fans who are not fans anymore because they think it makes some sort of point

The people pretending to be fans don't matter.

The people who are fans who want to burn Bat Out Of Hell are either the most casual of fans who are not really losing anything by getting rid of their copy, or the nuttiest of the nuttiest who think they've been betrayed because the singer of their favourite album doesn't share their views.

The latter should not be allowed near tall buildings with rifles

The normal fan, the sane fan, can seperate the politics from the music.
I support Obama (well, actually I now back Vermin ) and I listen to Meat Loaf. Life doesn't feel complicated or compromised in the least

[lorenzoduke]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

The normal fan, the sane fan, can seperate the politics from the music.

Bringing the band to perform at a political rally doesn't seem much like separating the politics from the music to me. Had Meat merely used his own vote rather than attempting to use his fame to try to influence others political decisions, this discussion wouldn't exist.

Unless everyone in the band is a Republican, that shows a lack of respect for them.
Unless L'il Jon gave his permission for his recorded performance to be used at the rally, that shows a lack of respect for him.
Telling people to argue with their friends and family is asking people to show a lack of respect for those people.

All of this, I find very out of character.

To those who don't mind a celebrity telling them who to vote for and who don't consider it pompous and ridiculous for that person to tell them to argue with family rather than respect their views, more power to you. No I won't be burning my albums or missing concerts because of this, but Meat basically using his fanbase and his fame to try to tell people how to vote makes me respect him less, as does him giving a huge unqualified endorsement to someone we later find out he completely disagrees with on numerous important topics of civil rights.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Not deleted by Meat, but removed by FB after being reported as sexually graphic and offensive

Yes but even Meat's responses and his explanation that he defends women's rights have been removed.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Thread cleaned. Enough with the personal attacks.

Especially when it's bound to do nothing more than encourage other loonies (let me repeat the word for emphisis, LOONIES).

People like that are freaking nuts

Yeah. It's hard to take the first part seriously when you go on to label an entire bunch of people as 'freaking nuts' and 'loonies'. I'm not defending what they said, but if I were to post a generalization like that here about some of the more overzealous personalities when it comes to defending all things Loaf, I imagine the comment would be deleted and I'd be issued an infraction.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Telling people to argue with their friends and family is asking people to show a lack of respect for those people.

I agree with the majority of your post but I think Meat means nothing more than a healthy debate with this. Everyone has a right to be critical and use your vote. I think he is discouraging apathy with this myself rather than bullying everyone into voting for the same thing. My understanding anyway.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Bringing the band to perform at a political rally doesn't seem much like separating the politics from the music to me.

I don't see why it's that different to a gig. Paul got a kick out of being on the bus and posted a photo, Dave Luther posted some pictures and basically said it was an honour to be within feet of a Presidential candidate even if as a liberal he didn't support him, and that everybody was just having fun with it.

[JennaG]

It doesn't bother me either way who Meat has chosen to support in this election and quite frankly, I don't care. I am a fan of Meat Loaf's because his music has brought me great joy over the years and when I met him, he was one of the loveliest people I have ever had the privilege of meeting. The fact that he holds a particular opinion about a political party does not change how I feel about him as an artist or as a person.

I am not supporting anyone in this election and I have far more important things to be worrying about than who is going to be running a country I don't even live in and probably won't be visiting for quite a few years. What I am bothered about is the nature of some of the comments that were posted on Meat Loaf's Facebook, they went beyond simply stating a disagreement with him over this matter and were nothing but insults.

Some might argue that by making your views known, you put yourself out there for others to make comments on it but resorting to irrelevant insults achieves nothing in trying to convince people to see things the way you want them to.

[LuuuuvMeat]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Folks have posted here that they support Romney, but those people are not called gay bashers or women haters. Their choice of candidate might not be agreed with, but they are at least treated with respect (or at the very least, a lack of open hostility).

:

FB is a different animal. There are more strangers blowing off steam. MLUKFC is familiar.

[lorenzoduke]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I don't see why it's that different to a gig. Paul got a kick out of being on the bus and posted a photo, Dave Luther posted some pictures and basically said it was an honour to be within feet of a Presidential candidate even if as a liberal he didn't support him, and that everybody was just having fun with it.

As I mentioned earlier, performing at a political rally implies support of the candidate in question. If all of the band were happy to be there, I'm surprised, but fair enough. The rest of my points remain.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Yes but even Meat's responses and his explanation that he defends women's rights have been removed.

As far as that goes, it looks as though they've done what one might expect on most forums .. removed all the off topic posts on that particular thread Meat had started before the rally, leaving just the ones that relate to the opening post.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by JennaG

I am not supporting anyone in this election and I have far more important things to be worrying about than who is going to be running a country I don't even live in and probably won't be visiting for quite a few years.

I think it would be great if this REALLY were the case. In my opinion the policies of the government of the USA have far more consequences than just concerning matters within the borders of that country. They certainly do influence policies here in the UK, certainly with regards to our own foreign and economic policies.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by LuuuuvMeat

FB is a different animal.

Imo FB is a feral animal!

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Bringing the band to perform at a political rally doesn't seem much like separating the politics from the music to me.

He was singing a patriotic song. He needed a band. We wanted to use his own. I doubt he held a gun to anybodys head.
We don't know what happened between Meat and the band, and we don't know how wiling each member was to take part.
As we don't know, it's best not to speculate.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Had Meat merely used his own vote rather than attempting to use his fame to try to influence others political decisions, this discussion wouldn't exist.

Celebrities try to influence the public all the time.
In England we have footballers that try to sell you underwear and shaving razors. We've got a rugby player trying tobget us all to play Bingo, TV chefs trying to flog you their own products or send you to a certain supermarket (and even Gordon Ramsey doing an add for Spec Savers).
Shop here, buy this, think that.
The cult of the celeb was here long before Meat sang for Romney, and it still means more nor less.

If Paul Crook told me such or such a guitar was good, i'd believe him. He's a guitarist. But what makes David Beckham an expert in underwear? Brittany Spears in perfume? Or Reg Holdsworth in double glazing windows?

Anyone who takes Meat's views over their own is a dunderhead, and needs to be put into an institution for their own good. Just like anyone who stays in a hotal based on the fact Lenny Henry claims to stay there.

A sane person knows the difference between professional opinion and personal opinion.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Unless everyone in the band is a Republican, that shows a lack of respect for them.
Unless L'il Jon gave his permission for his recorded performance to be used at the rally, that shows a lack of respect for him.

You know that any of the band members didn't want to do it?
I don't know one way of the other, so I don't feel like I can speculate.
Do you know for a fact Lil Jon was against his recording being used?
I only hope that part of the deal was a payment from the Romney camp to go to the charities the song was in aid of.

To say "there's no way Lil Jon would do this" is projecting again. It's not right, and it's not realistic.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Telling people to argue with their friends and family is asking people to show a lack of respect for those people.

Only by suggesting that they are dumb enough to do what they are told by a singer.
I might ask you to share my commercial page with your friends and family. It doesn't mean I disrespect them.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

To those who don't mind a celebrity telling them who to vote for and who don't consider it pompous and ridiculous for that person to tell them to argue with family rather than respect their views, more power to you. No I won't be burning my albums or missing concerts because of this, but Meat basically using his fanbase and his fame to try to tell people how to vote makes me respect him less, as does him giving a huge unqualified endorsement to someone we later find out he completely disagrees with on numerous important topics of civil rights.

See above
I don't think that any celeb backing Obama is overstepping their bounds. Why should Meat be doing so just because it's for the other camp?
Let's have the same rule for everybody here.
Is the issue with the fact he endorces a candidate, or is the issue his choice of candidate?

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Yeah. It's hard to take the first part seriously when you go on to label an entire bunch of people as 'freaking nuts' and 'loonies'. I'm not defending what they said, but if I were to post a generalization like that here about some of the more overzealous personalities when it comes to defending all things Loaf, I imagine the comment would be deleted and I'd be issued an infraction.

What I said was an attack on a certain (IMHO unrealistic) viewpoint, not on any particular person.
Certainly nobody on this forum.
How can an attack be personal if it's not aimed at anyone?

Originally Posted by LuuuuvMeat

FB is a different animal. There are more strangers blowing off steam. MLUKFC is familiar.

Would you like to be a mod for a day to see how different things are here at times?

[lorenzoduke]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Celebrities try to influence the public all the time.
In England we have footballers that try to sell you underwear and shaving razors. We've got a rugby player trying tobget us all to play Bingo, TV chefs trying to flog you their own products or send you to a certain supermarket (and even Gordon Ramsey doing an add for Spec Savers).
Shop here, buy this, think that.

There's a vast difference between telling you what pants to wear and telling you who to vote for. Whichever brand of boxers Beckham decides to promote isn't ultimately going to affect people's right to marry or retain autonomy over their body.

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

To say "there's no way Lil Jon would do this" is projecting again.

Which is why I never said it.

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I might ask you to share my commercial page with your friends and family. It doesn't mean I disrespect them.

Asking someone to look at your page isn't disrespectful. Telling someone to argue with and attempt to influence somebody's beliefs is again, more than a little different than that.

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Is the issue with the fact he endorces a candidate, or is the issue his choice of candidate?

I have repeatedly said what my issue is, very clearly. If you choose to ignore that and speculate, that's up to you. I suppose it's easier to debate someone's point if you choose to debate a point they never made.

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I think it would be great if this REALLY were the case. In my opinion the policies of the government of the USA have far more consequences than just concerning matters within the borders of that country. They certainly do influence policies here in the UK, certainly with regards to our own foreign and economic policies.

I can see exactly what you're saying and normally I'd agree with you but without saying too much, there are things going on for me at the moment that are more of a priority than supporting a candidate in an election I can't even vote in.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

What I said was an attack on a certain (IMHO unrealistic) viewpoint, not on any particular person.
Certainly nobody on this forum.
How can an attack be personal if it's not aimed at anyone?

That's odd, because for a minute I thought you said that people like that were 'freaking nuts'...

[LuuuuvMeat]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Would you like to be a mod for a day to see how different things are here at times?

Sure! I'm always up for a challenge.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

There's a vast difference between telling you what pants to wear and telling you who to vote for. Whichever brand of boxers Beckham decides to promote isn't ultimately going to affect people's right to marry or retain autonomy over their body.

Meat's endorcement will not effect people's rights to marry or retain autonomy over their bodies either.
I don't believe for one second that Meat's voice, no matter who he speaks in favour of, will have ANY effect on this election.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Which is why I never said it.

But I dare say there are those in Lil Jon's fanbase that will. Because to believe that he either supports Romney, or sold out and let the recording be used for money, would make those fans feel betrayed.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Asking someone to look at your page isn't disrespectful. Telling someone to argue with and attempt to influence somebody's beliefs is again, more than a little different than that.

I play my nephew Meat Loaf Meat Loaf and Joe Cocker. I'm trying to influence him. Does that make me a bad person?
Politics is all about disagreement and debate. Encouraging the debate is part of the course IMHO.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

I have repeatedly said what my issue is, very clearly. If you choose to ignore that and speculate, that's up to you.

You're making two seperate points. How can Meat back Mitt Romney? and why does Meat think he's in a position to influence people because he's a celebrity?

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

I suppose it's easier to debate someone's point if you choose to debate a point they never made.

You've lost me there

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

That's odd, because for a minute I thought you said that people like that were 'freaking nuts'...

OK, how about............

"people of the mindset that they can project their own personal opinions onto their favourite celebrity are freaking nuts".

Is that better?

[lorenzoduke]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

You're making two seperate points. How can Meat back Mitt Romney? and why does Meat think he's in a position to influence people because he's a celebrity?

Neither of those are points I have made.

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

You've lost me there

Evidently.