Guns N Roses and "technical difficulties"??

[duke knooby]

i wasn't at the show, so i really shouldn't comment, but in the first clip axl appeared to be unusually polite with his request, the crowd also seemed somewhat hostile by then lol.

there is no reason to throw stuff at the stage, and axl is well known for being rather difficult at the best of times, (though he might have been taking the piss alot this time)

on the bright side though, the belfast gigs looks to have been a good one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbuSbr-M7q0

(though the clips aren't great quality)

[CarylB]

Yes, I have no idea whether he was late coming on stage and had given the audience anything to be hostile about, and yes, he has a reputation for being difficult and late starting (although presumably his fans know this .. you pays your money and takes your chance) .. but there's no excuse to throw stuff onto the stage.

Caryl

[jcmoorehead]

I've already said this on another forum I'm on but while I don't condone the throwing of things onto the stage at the same time I can see why the fans would be angry. The fans pay a lot of money to go and see a show and Axl consistantly treats them like dirt with his antics. Using 'Well he's got a history for it so people should know what to expect" isn't an excuse at all, if that's the case then change the start times to an hour later to accomadate for the arrival of both him and his rediculously large ego.

It's a shame because you have a guy who has a lot of talent, he's written some amazing songs and I'll admit Chinese Democracy was a great album but he's just a complete and utter idiot.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Axl should learn a lesson from Slash:

That's what you call a pro
It's great how fast he picks up the song again.

Originally Posted by Jayd

Myself am not really into Guns & Roses, but at the end of the day, plastic bottles or not, bands should not be subject to missiles being thrown, if that was to happen at a Premier League football match, CCTV is used to find the culprit and they are banned for life from that stadium. Blame should be put at the morons throwing the bottles.

Quoted for truth.

Originally Posted by AndyK

In the Guns and Roses context I think that Axl and the band are to blame for disappointing their fans, but that's still no excuse for throwing things at the stage. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Agreed 100%

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

I agree though that there's no excuse for anyone throwing things at a band, but there always going to be idiots that ruin it for others.

Exactly.
How many bottles were thrown on the stage out of how many fans in the venue?
But everyone suffered because of the actions of the few.
Not rock n roll

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Of course people shouldn't be throwing things but at €70+ per ticket, having to wait around for 3 hour I can understand some out of a crowd of thousands will eventually lose it.

There's nothing wrong with losing it, just as long as losing it doesn't involve any violence.
And throwing stuff at people is violence in my book.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Before I read and saw all this I didn't know Axl Rose had a reputation for "always" being late. How and why should I know about that, if I just wanted to go to see the show?

I never knew this either (although i've listened to their music for years and Axl has something of a rep for being hard to work with).
Not everyone in the venue is a hardcore fan who knows the ways and habits of the band and lead singer, and you can't expect those people to understand when the concert is a couple of hours late starting.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Everyone involved, the backstage staff, promoters, security and people who work at the venue are all ready to put on a show. Then Axl Rose takes the piss. It's not right in my opinion.

Agreed.
I felt very sorry for the couple of poor sods who had to go out and address such a hostile crowd because of Axl's behavior.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Not true, there were a hord of people who had left the O2 as the house lights had come on for 10 minutes around eleven. Seriously would you have stayed? I'm guessing I would have left too. When they found out the band had come back to the stage they weren't allowed back into the arena.

I would have been out of there, and asking for a refund.

That's what the crowd should have done, because throwing stuff at the stage is not acceptable (unless it's Justin Bieber, in which case not throwing stuff is not acceptable).

Funny sort of world when JB is more of a trouper than Axl Rose

[Smithie]

What happened to GNR? Back in my school days, they were one of the coolest bands around.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Funny sort of world when JB is more of a trouper than Axl Rose

indeed. Kudos to Bieber for being more rock n roll than Axl.

[mjbo]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Indeed.
Maybe some of the crowd were harsh but these are only plastic bottles really .

Yes but it is what these plastic bottles contained that would worry me - "unknown substances" according to the reports in the press.

[LucyK!]

I just think the whole thing is desperately sad to be honest. GnR were one of the biigest bands in the world, even if you're not a big fan there's very few people that don't know the songs and recognise the guitars, that logo is on band t-shirts everywhere you look...and yet they end up like this I think it's just so sad for the real die-hard fans who've followed them forever to have to watch them demise to this.

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

He also did Out in the Green festival in 1987 (where he performed One More Kiss)

I think you might want to check your facts:

Blind Before I Stop
That song that no one likes
Rock 'N' Roll Mercenaries
You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth
Midnight At The Lost And Found
All Revved Up With No Place To Go
Bat Out Of Hell
Rock 'N' Roll Medley

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Evil One

I think you might want to check your facts:

Maybe he should check his vastly superior collection?

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Evil One

I think you might want to check your facts

Well i got OMK and Out in the green on the same day. mixed myself up.

Originally Posted by Evil One

That song that no one likes

:'(

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Maybe he should check his vastly superior collection?

Indeed

[Julie in the rv mirror]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Axl should learn a lesson from Slash:

Jeeze, that guy came out of nowhere! That's kind of scary! Slash hardly missed a beat, though.

I can understand the frustration of the crowd, but really- you waited all that time for the guy to come out, and then you're going to throw crap at him? I don't get that. Some people just don't know how to behave, I guess.

[duke knooby]

they even did a 10ish min november rain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb38L5f79ow

better add a longer version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx40dRWRtjw

and some live and let die

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCbt...eature=channel

sweet child of mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gegrd...eature=channel

looks to me like it was a great gig

tis a shame the one the next night didnt go so well

and yes, the band line up is completely different, and different band members will change the dynamic of the performance, but as we've seen with the ever changing neverland express line up over the years... sometimes change is good


(and red ponies probably wouldn't like footage of this quality lol)

[jcmoorehead]

Originally Posted by duke knooby

and yes, the band line up is completely different, and different band members will change the dynamic of the performance, but as we've seen with the ever changing neverland express line up over the years... sometimes change is good

Difference really is that Meat isn't changing the line up of the NLE pretty much every year hiring and firing whoever he feels like at the time. It also isn't really right calling them Guns N Roses when only one member of the core Guns N Roses remains. It'd be like seeing Metallica but only Lars was the original member, or seeing Pink Floyd with just Roger Waters and none of the other original band members.

As for the concerts themselves I'd imagine they are pretty good, like I said Axl is talented when he gets his act together and the backing musicians he has with him will be decent too but he has a huge attitude problem and he just winds up the fans. Again I'm not condoning what the audience did, they were angry but they should have just walked out and lodged a complaint but Axl brought it on himself.

[melon]

Originally Posted by 24K

Am in total agreement with you here !

Me also

[A Slice Of English]

Guns N' Roses have acted like this from Day One. Whilst it may not be a reputation that any right-thinking band would want, the Guns have never exactly been "right-thinking" and Axl in particular is a volatile so and so who can get riled very easily. I would still love to see them live and would go to the show with a sleeping bag and camp bed so I can have a kip for a couple of hours between the warm-up and the main act.

The band is legendary, and I love all their stuff, including Chinese Democracy, which is a different sound but it's the voice that does it for me. Love that gravelly screech.

[A Slice Of English]

Originally Posted by jcmoorehead

It also isn't really right calling them Guns N Roses when only one member of the core Guns N Roses remains.

Sugababes anyone? Santana anyone?

Seriously, the name is where the money is at. You can say they're not the Guns, but they are really, just in a different form.

[Steve6]

People threw plastic beer cups and bottles on stage, but there was actually urine in them. So can you blame Axl for walking off when you get that filth thrown at you?

Coming on that late you're only asking for trouble. I'm sure they won't do it again after that shambles.

[A Slice Of English]

Originally Posted by Steve6

People threw plastic beer cups and bottles on stage, but there was actually urine in them. So can you blame Axl for walking off when you get that filth thrown at you?

Coming on that late you're only asking for trouble. I'm sure they won't do it again after that shambles.

Happened before many, many times and they still come out late. People should go to the show expecting the late start, that way they won't be disappointed. Doesn't make the Guns right, by the way.

[AndyK]

Originally Posted by Steve6

Coming on that late you're only asking for trouble. I'm sure they won't do it again after that shambles.

Of course they will, because they don't show any respect for their audience. They did the same thing at both Reading and Leeds, festivals last weekend, resulting in them breaking the curfew and having the plug pulled on the sound.

Still doesn't excuse having bottles and cups of ~~~~ thrown at you though.

[Steve6]

Originally Posted by AndyK

Of course they will, because they don't show any respect for their audience. They did the same thing at both Reading and Leeds, festivals last weekend, resulting in them breaking the curfew and having the plug pulled on the sound.

Still doesn't excuse having bottles and cups of ~~~~ thrown at you though.

Axl gets away with to much..he should be forced to go on stage at the designated time. The promoters and management are at fault here because they don't seem to care when he goes on. Maybe they know he'll throw a temper tantrum if he doesn't get things his own way..but still they run the show so there's no excuse.

[A Slice Of English]

As long as people continue to book them, they will continue to come on when they feel like it. If people didn't book them any longer, it may force them to reevaluate things. But I doubt it.

[~Helen~]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

People should go to the show expecting the late start, that way they won't be disappointed.

People keep saying this but until this week I never knew they were known for doing that. And if it wasn't for all these conversations on here I wouldn't have known last week wasn't a one-off either! I won't be the only one. And you'd STILL be disappointed they came on late if it meant you didn't actually see them because you had the last bus/train home to catch.

[A Slice Of English]

I would drive to be able to leave when I like. I appreciate not everyone can do that however. Like I said, it doesn't make it right.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by duke knooby

and yes, the band line up is completely different, and different band members will change the dynamic of the performance, but as we've seen with the ever changing neverland express line up over the years... sometimes change is good

Without Slash forget the amazing guitar solos/riffs such as in Sweet Child and November Rain. The original GNR line up created the music they are famous for, that is different with the NLE, who have always mostly been a touring band.

Originally Posted by ~Helen~

People keep saying this but until this week I never knew they were known for doing that. And if it wasn't for all these conversations on here I wouldn't have known last week wasn't a one-off either! I won't be the only one. And you'd STILL be disappointed they came on late if it meant you didn't actually see them because you had the last bus/train home to catch.

My thoughts exactly. Out of 14.000 people there you can be guaranteed that at least thousands would be relying on other means of transport.

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

I would drive to be able to leave when I like. I appreciate not everyone can do that however. Like I said, it doesn't make it right.

Is there good parking near the O2 Dublin that you know of? Doubt they have space for 5000 cars. Not every venue is easily accessible with a car. Like with Meat Loaf in Wembley in London in Dec, I won't be driving. Meat finishing beyond midnight there and then would be bad for people trying to get home who are not staying in nearby hotels and lots of people know that (promoters / venue staff and Meat himself). If Wembley underground station was closed at the time the concert is finished there would be chaos.

Someone mentioned the lateness/carryon at the festivals at the weekend they played. Indeed if that hadn't happened this probably wouldn't have been such a big deal but with GNR already getting bad press and then yet again showing up late as if they don't give is shit is a bitter pill for people to swallow who had probably all bought their tickets before the previous incidents. At least that's the way I would have looked at it, rather than using it is as a template to think they will probably be starting when we need to think about leaving.