solong --farewell

[evil nickname]

Originally Posted by BostonCPA

Meat I will hunt down that person like the dog he is if it means keeping you.

You really think such a remark is nescessary?

[aussielovesmeat]

Meat, I am so sorry you have been hurt by some people's comments.
I really struggle to understand people who say they are fans, but then disect everything, and feel the need to come on here and deliver hurtful comments.
I've said it before, will say it again now... anyone who has ever been to one of your concerts would have to be blind not to see that you give 110%
You can't fake something like that !!! And what more can people want than that Crikey, you already give all that you can.........

Please take care of yourself, and enjoy the rest of your tour !!!!!

I hope someone will post when the new site gets up and running, I'll be joining !!!

God Bless you Meat
Kaye

[Cpl Mickey]

I would like to agree with R. lets wait until the site is up and running, before we say we will or won't pay. We should respect Meat's decision

[Manheim]

This is my view on things and may cause more grief than it's worth,but the hell it it.

What seems to be Meats problem? Can he not take a bit of criticism? We all know and realise that he puts a lot of effort into his performances, nobody doubts that, but there's no way he or any other performer can give 100% day in and day out without serious effect on his health and performance. He's going to have off days and unfortunately people are going to catch him on those days. Some of those people will be members of this board and surly with Freedom of Speech they should be allowed voice their views on that particular show good or bad without both members and the artist themselves ripping them to shreds. Every time something negative is posted on this board other members jump right in and lash the poster out of it because they don't agree with them. You don't see members lashing other members who put up positive posts by calling them names and implying that their stupid or thick. There's no point in having a message board like this unless people are willing to accept the positive and the negative views of its members. It's seems to be that only positive things are only allowed here. What ever happened to Freedom of Speech? I think that is totally wrong of Meat to come on here and abuse people the way he has just because they personally felt that it was a bad show for them. I can guarantee he doesn't treat reporters and columnists like this when they write bad reviews about his music or acting and I'm sure he has got some bad reviews at some time or an other. Meat is in the business long enough to know that you can't please all the people all the time, their is no way he's going to get everybody to like him, no matter what he does. What's he going to do, write to all those people who don't like him or his music and call the names and abuse them just because they don't like him?

My impression and I state MY impression of most of the people on this board is that you can't see any bad in the man; to you he is the most perfect thing ever, even more perfect than god. He has no flaws and performs and gives 1000% (one thousand) every time. No artist can do that, and you people need to start realising that and accept that he has bad days and let other people point out that he had a bad day without abusing them and lashing them out of it for giving their opinion. It would seem to me that no matter what Meat does (good or bad) you people would think it was wonderful. I realise that you too have your opinions, but there is no need to belittle those who have a different opinion than yours, you should just accept their views like they accepts yours.

I think it's time to put an end to all the bitterness on this board and start afresh. Meat is gone from here and there is little anybody can do about that, he is a strong minded person and speaks his mind and seems to me that once he's made a decision, there's no going back on it. It's time to move on and try and get this board back to what it should be, a forum for Meat fans to Post good or bad views on the man and his career. Let's all be friends and learn to accept the views of everybody. There's nothing worse than going on to a forum and seeing people taking swipes at each other, it doesn't look good for the members of the forum or the artist for which the forum is dedicated. I'm sure there have being people who have come to view this forum and decided after reading some of the threads that they couldn't be bothered getting involved in it, that if their opinions couldn't be accepted, then they didn't want the hassle that it would bring.

What do you say? Let's bury the hatchet and move on. Let's make this board the best it can be with both the good points and the bad points being treated equally. Let's make so that anybody who decides to take a peek can go, "God, this is a great board where both sides are treated equally". Hopefully they'll tell their mates and the membership will shoot up and Meat's fan base will grow from strength to strength and make what Meat does even better.

[CarylB]

Can he not take a bit of criticism?

He has said he gets upset by criticism. We have seen that he does. It was obvious.

Meat opened himself up here to us. To some of us that was priceless, and worth accepting that criticism was hurtful, and best avoided if he were to continue to come here and share his feelings with us, because he obviously is wounded by, and reacts to criticism. It's how he is, and for many of us that was fine. Having him here was more important.

It's not that he's incapable of doing anything wrong, just that he doesn't welcome being told this in a forum of his fans. I was blessed with the most wonderful father possible. He was not completely without flaws, but I rejoiced in all his good qualities, and did not hold the odd weakness up to his scrutiny. My opinion is that Meat came here like family. He brought himself, not his stage persona here. To me that was something special. It was clear that he was hurt by criticism, and as far as I'm concerned he gives enough that is shining and good for me to respect those feelings, because I could not see him continuing to come and share himself if he felt attacked, whether this was intentional or not. It's just how he clearly felt.

However those who prize their freedom of spech have won out. I'm just responding to what you say Manheim and giving my view under that umbrella of freedom of speech people are so concerned about. So please, no talk of firefighters, or threats to my friends. I have made no threats to or about you. Just honestly responded to your question.

[CarylB]

I think it's quite useless and a waste of energy and database space if you bicker about a website you simply don't know.

Wise words oh plumbing, gun toting grasshopper :)

[Winston]

The Truth is hard to swallow when your choking on your pride.

[Bart]

he, he, he.lol.

[Jayd]

Just come home from work and saw Meat's post and I have got to say, it put sadness into my heart to read it. I don't think putting him down even more at this time is appropriate, like kicking him when he is already down. And like R said, lets wait and see Meat's new site when it opens and then decide if you want to pay or not, your not gonna be forced.

[ladyloaf69]

what is the new website called anyways, i hate to see meat go but it is liek what he did in america at his suppose to be meet and greets, he turned his back on his fans. just because of certain people causing the problems he took it out on everyone . that is real professional in my book. so now u have to pay for a site, isn't he making enough money , why should people have to pay . i am sorry i am just upset that this happened. i feel that meat needs to be more professional at what he does instead of using his acting to show how he really feels

[Guppie]

C'mon... just because he doesn't want to post here anymore, doesn't mean he turns his back on his fans.
I don't take it that way.

[BostonCPA]

Originally Posted by evil nickname

You really think such a remark is nescessary?

Sorry! I was just playing no need to get our panties in a twist.
Meat won't leave us, he loves us too much. Cross your fingers.


Most, BostonCPA

[mariella]

Originally Posted by Guppie

C'mon... just because he doesn't want to post here anymore, doesn't mean he turns his back on his fans.
I don't take it that way.

Me neither! Just don't see it as turning his back on us!

xxx

Mariella

[ladyloaf69]

i am sorry u don't feel .but for someone to not post here anymore because of certain people that is ridicilous. why take it out on the rest of his fans when it only has to do with certain ones. why hurt his true fans

[ChrisBelfast]

Meat probably wouldnt have posted here anyway once his own site is up and running, i guess he saw this the best time to leave, although it was under sad circumstances. I still think he'll be reading here though, just not posting. How could an artist not read a fan board, its his biggest source for feedback. Maybe things will die down a bit and he'll appear again.

[mariella]

I think if Meat doesn't feel comfortable with posting here, he has, like ALL of us, every right NOT to do this anylonger. THAT simple!

xxx

Mariella

[hawkmoonnl]

Originally Posted by pinky69

i am sorry u don't feel .but for someone to not post here anymore because of certain people that is ridicilous. why take it out on the rest of his fans when it only has to do with certain ones. why hurt his true fans

True fans? Excuse me but someone who has (some) negative feedback can still be considered as a true fan as well. At least they speak out at high volume and don't take everything for granted. True fans...never knew they excisted till today....

[ladyloaf69]

to each his own but mine is gone

[mariella]

Originally Posted by CarylB

He has said he gets upset by criticism. We have seen that he does. It was obvious.

Meat opened himself up here to us. To some of us that was priceless, and worth accepting that criticism was hurtful, and best avoided if he were to continue to come here and share his feelings with us, because he obviously is wounded by, and reacts to criticism. It's how he is, and for many of us that was fine. Having him here was more important.

It's not that he's incapable of doing anything wrong, just that he doesn't welcome being told this in a forum of his fans. I was blessed with the most wonderful father possible. He was not completely without flaws, but I rejoiced in all his good qualities, and did not hold the odd weakness up to his scrutiny. My opinion is that Meat came here like family. He brought himself, not his stage persona here. To me that was something special. It was clear that he was hurt by criticism, and as far as I'm concerned he gives enough that is shining and good for me to respect those feelings, because I could not see him continuing to come and share himself if he felt attacked, whether this was intentional or not. It's just how he clearly felt.

Thank you, Caryl. Ofcourse I too feel sad today. But I think this is what has been happening here at the forum. Thank you for putting it into words for me!

xxx

Mariella

[Manheim]

Right folks, this is probably going to be the post that gets me banned for life or will cause this topic to be moved to the now popular Fight Club.

I've being an observer on this board for a few months and haven't posted much, I've sat back and kept my mouth shut because I was asked to but I now feel it's time to take the gloves off and let rip.

I've being on a few message boards and I have never before seen the kind of crap that goes on here on those. This board has become nothing but a bitching board and it's a small group of people that have it this way, with their over protection of Meat. It's these people who have the board the way it is and it's these people that have forced Meat and others way from it. They keep hounding the people who have negative things to say about Meat and then get their mates to log on and join their bandwagon and make the negative poster feel like s hit. It's amazing, once a negative post goes up, and one of this small group sees it, the number of their cronies that sign in and post goes through the roof. Also if members of this elite group do anything that might offend Meat outside of this board, and it gets mentioned here, they waste no time in trying to get it silenced or removed because it shows them for what they really are, hypocrites. It's ok for them to do or say something that might offend Meat elsewhere, but may the wrath of god descend on anyone who upsets Meat here.

I'm sick of people pussy footing around Meat just because it might hurt his feelings, you know what they say "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the Kitchen" CarylB you say that meat came to this board as an equal, (in other words leaves his artist persona behind) therefore he should be able to accept the views of ALL it's members. Surly he knew before coming to this board that there would be members and posts that would criticise him, his music, and his performances. If he can't take criticism, then he shouldn't have joined. Why should we pussy foot around him, I can guarantee you it wouldn't be done for any other member. If he wants to be treated like the rest of us, then he's got to be able to hack the criticism he gets.

There are certain members on this board who seem to have their head stuck up their arse and need to cop on and stop taking what ever drugs their on and come back to reality. You'd swear that the world was going to end if a negative word was said against Meat. There must be something seriously wrong with Meat if he let's the opinions of the few get to him. A few negative posts and he's gone off sulking. He's even threatened to cancel the Meet & Greets. The guy needs to grow up and stop acting like a spoilt child. I'd hate to see what would happen a lot of people started criticising him. These are just a few of the thousands of fans he has and he let's them get to him.

Who the F UCK does Meat think he is coming on here and abusing people the way he's done over the last few days. If he done that in the media, he'd be sued for it. I don't care who he is, nobody deserves to be treated the way he has treated those people and if that was you or me, we'd be booted off the board for it, but because IT'S MEAT, he's allowed get away with it. I think he should be made come back on here and apologise publicly to those people and maybe throw in a signed CD and invite them to a personal Meet & Greet.

Just so you all know, I will not be apologising for any statement above.

That's all my ranting and raving for now.

Let the bitching begin and may the best man win!!!!

[MEAT LOAF TRIBUTE]

Couldnt have said it better myself! Well said it needed saying! meats thrown his toys out of his pram, and he aint playing anymore .

[Bart]

he, he. you guys have nothing better t do . i bet you are both very lonely people and your only friend is the computer, he, he, he, lol

[CarylB]

i hate to see meat go but it is liek what he did in america at his suppose to be meet and greets, he turned his back on his fans. just because of certain people causing the problems he took it out on everyone . that is real professional in my book. so now u have to pay for a site, isn't he making enough money , why should people have to pay . i am sorry i am just upset that this happened. i feel that meat needs to be more professional at what he does instead of using his acting to show how he really feels

I see it rather differently:
There were never any M&Gs arranged in the US leg because of the pressure Meat was under in this leg of the tour. They were not promised, so to call them "supposed" is not really accurate.
He chose to come here, and because he was getting wound up at criticisms decided to leave. He had no obligation to be here, so is not "taking it out" on anybody, just exercising his freedom of choice
A pay for site may be like an on-line fan club, and those who just want to have a pop at him are less likely to opt to pay for the privilege. Whatever, it is unlikely to be about making money. Meat has said time and again that this is not his motivation for doing things, and I believe him.

Like Guppie, I don't see this as Meat turning his back on his fans .. just deciding he no longer wants to visit somewhere where he will get upset. Meat has always said that the person who takes Meat Loaf on stage is shy, and today he's admitted he, like many performers, feels insecure. I think that's been plain, and that's why so many of us have sought to support him rather than offer him criticisms of his performances. I agree with Jayd2 that to continue to put him down is unnecessary, but that it continues speaks volumes about his reasons for leaving.

[ladyloaf69]

my question is that meat always said he wasn't in it for money, right, then why is he having a website that u have to pay to write to him

[Manheim]

It's amazing isn't it, the only way Meat can stop the critics is to force them to pay to criticise him, how childish is that, the mass have to suffer to stop the minority.

If Meats not in it for the money, then he should give what ever money he makes from the new site to charity. May I suggest the "Catholic Charities Counseling Services" (http://www.ccomaha.org/counselingservices.htm) who deal with Anger Management