Meat Loaf Endorses Mitt Romney For POTUS

[Jayd]

listening to any of those songs and they are bad I am sorry to say, Meats voice sounds very tired, hopefully soon he is going to get some rest

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Adje

BTW, is this 'version' of America the Beautiful up there with Roseanne's National Anthem performance? This weighs heavier being 'sung' at a political rally...

Not at all... As an American, The Star Spangled Banner holds a dear place in my heart. This song is not that song. Further, this was a bunch of people really in the mood and having fun with a song...not a crazed comedienne attempting to create a Andy Kauffman moment. Different song.... Hell, I have even criticized Meat Loaf's much lauded performance of The Star Spangled Banner on this very forum. But this is not that song and does not hold as much importance to me, as an American.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by GDW

CarylB forget the political part. Do you think Meat Loaf's performance was good or bad. A bad or good would be good!

Why would I forget the political part? That was the purpose, and I believe I've already said his vocals coming right at the end in the short clip of ATB were strained .. I also said why in my view this was. You think it would be good for me to say "bad". Why? Schadenfreude?

I don't consider the entire performance "bad", no. Not Meat's best by any means, but this was at a time when he's normally on vocal rest. It doesn't make it a "good" performance. It makes me understand.

The most important thing in my view, given the title of this thread, is that Meat is informed, researched, thoughtful, and genuinely believes this candidate is the one to effect the changes required to get the US back on its feet economically. He does not agree with all Romney's views, but is exercising his democratic right to back the candidate he considers the US needs right now.

Caryl

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Dave

Not at all... As an American, The Star Spangled Banner holds a dear place in my heart. This song is not that song. Further, this was a bunch of people really in the mood and having fun with a song...not a crazed comedienne attempting to create a Andy Kauffman moment. Different song.... Hell, I have even criticized Meat Loaf's much lauded performance of The Star Spangled Banner on this very forum. But this is not that song and does not hold as much importance to me, as an American.

yeah his star spangled banner performance is that of shear perfection.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Wario

yeah his star spangled banner performance is that of shear perfection.

No, it is not....it is inspiring, but it is not perfection. The Star Spangled Banner is a march and Meat Loaf performed the song much slower than it should be performed. Whitney Houston's performance is by far the most emotional and inspiring version I have ever heard, but it is still technically not correct either. But...back on topic please.

[Dave]

I really woke up to a Facebook message from PFLAG chapter that is not even local to me informing me that I should cancel my Rocky Horror Picture Show screening tonight, get rid of all of my Meat Loaf collection, and letting me know that Meat Loaf's appearance at the GLAAD Awards was a sham to comfort people before they found out the reality that Meat Loaf is a "homophobic redneck" with some sort of agenda. I immediately sent them a screen shot of Meat Loaf's comments about gay people and was told outright that Meat Loaf is a liar. Personally, I am going to take Meat Loaf at his word when he says he supports the GLBT community and women's rights. I refuse to call him a liar.

[Monstro]

Originally Posted by LisaT

Can someone please post Meat's response here or point me in the right direction? I've scanned his FB page and I can't find it! Thanks.

Please no posts from other sites here, sorry but it's against forum rules

[mtaylor315]

Originally Posted by Dave

I really woke up to a Facebook message from PFLAG chapter that is not even local to me informing me that I should cancel my Rocky Horror Picture Show screening tonight, get rid of all of my Meat Loaf collection, and letting me know that Meat Loaf's appearance at the GLAAD Awards was a sham to comfort people before they found out the reality that Meat Loaf is a "homophobic redneck" with some sort of agenda. I immediately sent them a screen shot of Meat Loaf's comments about gay people and was told outright that Meat Loaf is a liar. Personally, I am going to take Meat Loaf at his word when he says he supports the GLBT community and women's rights. I refuse to call him a liar.

I read a few comments about Meat being homophobic too. I think its absolute rubbish. Being a Republican doesn't mean you hate gay people. Being gay, I know first hand about the hate that is thrown out, and I certainly wouldn't consider Meat to be that sort of person. I saw his facebook comments about the LGBT community on Facebook and take that to be the truth.

I don't like Romney whatsoever, but Meat can support whoever he chooses. This will all blow over soon enough as people will get bored and find something else to talk about x

[LuuuuvMeat]

Originally Posted by mtaylor315

Being a Republican doesn't mean you hate gay people. x

Correct but Republican policies in general are mostly homophobic.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by LuuuuvMeat

Correct but Republican policies in general are mostly homophobic.

My understanding is that "homophobic" means fear or hatred towards gays or lesbians.
I do not think most republicans think like that.

I don't have anything against gays or lesbians and would be voting democratic if I was an American however;

Do I agree with gays or lesbians getting married as in the same way as a man or woman: hmmm I'm not quite sure really and if I had to choose probably not, not in a Christian religious ceremony anyway. I doesn't quite make sense to me.
Do I agree with gay couples adopting children? Probably not, certainly not since it is damn hard for a hetero sexual couple to even be considered for adoption. It's almost akin to positive discrimination allowing people such as Elton John such an easy route to doing that. All celebrities I think seem to be able to almost "buy" children in fact. But I certainly don't think gay couples raising children is the most natural thing in the world.

I doubt this really makes me a complete homophobe more balanced I would have thought, but I'm sure many people will disagree.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by LuuuuvMeat

Correct but Republican policies in general are mostly homophobic.

Wrong... Most of the Tea Party policies are homophobic. They are as closely aligned to The Republicans as the Klu Klux Klan are with The Democrats. The GOP has been taken hostage.

[LuuuuvMeat]

DOMA

[LuuuuvMeat]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

My understanding is that "homophobic" means fear or hatred towards gays or lesbians.
I do not think most republicans think like that.

I don't have anything against gays or lesbians and would be voting democratic if I was an American however;

Do I agree with gays or lesbians getting married as in the same way as a man or woman: hmmm I'm not quite sure really and if I had to choose probably not, not in a Christian religious ceremony anyway. I doesn't quite make sense to me.
Do I agree with gay couples adopting children? Probably not, certainly not since it is damn hard for a hetero sexual couple to even be considered for adoption. It's almost akin to positive discrimination allowing people such as Elton John such an easy route to doing that. All celebrities I think seem to be able to almost "buy" children in fact. But I certainly don't think gay couples raising children is the most natural thing in the world.

I doubt this really makes me a complete homophobe more balanced I would have thought, but I'm sure many people will disagree.

Wow!

[The Flying Mouse]

This level of reaction baffles me, it honestly does.
I think evert taxi in America needs to be spray painted either red of blue, depending on the political leanings of the driver.
God forbid that a democrat rides in a taxi driven by someone who wants to vote for Romney
Paint the shops too, because it would be terrible to put money into a till owned by someone who doesn't share the same presidential candidate as you

Because how is that different from someone saying they don't want to buy any more of Meat's albums?

I agree that just as Meat has the right to express his opinion, others have the right to disagree with him. But I don't see Meat calling anyone a "fat f*ck".

It's important to remember that every party has assholes among it's supporters, not just the democrates.
I say that because the actions and words of these people are more likely to increase support for the Republican party.

[AndrewG]

I think it's actual a bit silly to NOT vote for a certain party based on a single issue. There are plenty of things Obama has done I completely disagree with. He has supported Wall Street to the brim, whereas many expected him to do something about it instead. In that light he has been very disappointing but I do favour his mostly liberal policies. Flaming down Meat Loaf for being homophobic and against women's rights is rather ridiculous actually.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by LuuuuvMeat

Correct but Republican policies in general are mostly homophobic.

If you were to say in your opinion most Republicans are homophobic, I would probably disagree, but accept you have that view.

But stating that "policies in general are homophobic"? How can policies on taxation, environmental issues, national defence, healthcare , economic regeneration etc etc be "homophobic"? Will policies on these issues be applied differently depending on people's sexual orientation?

They certainly aren't where I live, and I really cannot see this being the case in the USA

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by LuuuuvMeat

Wow!

Wow what? Am I not allowed to think conservatively about certain issues? What kind of democracy do you want?

[LuuuuvMeat]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Wow what? Am I not allowed to think conservatively about certain issues? What kind of democracy do you want?

A democracy where everyone is equal.

[JaysScout]

Freedom of speech....the 1st amendment to the US Constitution...wonderful things! They allow us to speak freely and express our views. It allows Meat Loaf, and any of us, to make choices. Like Meat, you can choose to never support a presidential candidate until this year, or choose to support one if you desire. Freedom of speech also gives those who disagree with someones choice, the right to call them names and boycott concerts, merchandise, and movies in which they may appear. It has always AMAZED me that those who say they support freedom of speech, get so upset when someone else exercises that right.....when it doesn't agree with theirs. Freedom of speech also gives you the right to be a hypocrite. Since Meat made his endorsement, I've seen plenty of hypocrites exercising that right.

Bravo Meat!!! He has ALWAYS been a standup guy.....and I'm betting he will continue to be so.

[LuuuuvMeat]

Originally Posted by CarylB

If you were to say in your opinion most Republicans are homophobic, I would probably disagree, but accept you have that view.

But stating that "policies in general are homophobic"? How can policies on taxation, environmental issues, national defence, healthcare , economic regeneration etc etc be "homophobic"? Will policies on these issues be applied differently depending on people's sexual orientation?

They certainly aren't where I live, and I really cannot see this being the case in the USA

Just a few. Gay couples can't file taxes together, gays can not be on partners heath care plans, gays can be fire for being gay still in many states, & gays can't abopt kidsin many states. Should go on?

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I think it's actual a bit silly to NOT vote for a certain party based on a single issue. There are plenty of things Obama has done I completely disagree with. He has supported Wall Street to the brim, whereas many expected him to do something about it instead. In that light he has been very disappointing but I do favour his mostly liberal policies. Flaming down Meat Loaf for being homophobic and against women's rights is rather ridiculous actually.

I agree with your first statement. I have never found a party or politician whose entire platform I agree with, and will vote for the one I feel most likely to tackle the most pressing issues in a way that might resolve them effectively.

I really am not sufficiently informed to say whether Obama has performed well or badly. I too agree with his liberal aims, and that he has been trying to implement them in a huge economic downturn hasn't helped, but I can understand some people's disappointment in his term of office.

I agree absolutely that flaming Meat as homophobic and against women is complete nonsense. It would be laughable were it less ridiculous and offensive.

Caryl

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by LuuuuvMeat

Just a few. Gay couples can't file taxes together, gays can not be on partners heath care plans, gays can be fire for being gay still in many states, & gays can't abopt kidsin many states. Should go on?

No, because most of these all come back to one issue, which is based on legal partnerships/marriages between same sex couples. I still think that most of what is contained in most policies which are aimed at tackling the broad range of issues are not based on an anti-gay platform. Leave out joint filing and everything else about taxation is not based on homophobic beliefs. And this election is based on federal government, not state government .. though I'd say that imo more needs to be made nationwide law .. eg your employment legislation

[LisaT]

Originally Posted by Monstro

Please no posts from other sites here, sorry but it's against forum rules

Oops, sorry.

[lorenzoduke]

To say Meat is homophobic isn't exactly going to be a huge leap in people's minds when Meat says he endorses Romney and Romney says gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry and shouldn't have the same rights as straight couples.

I don't think there's anything ridiculous in the least about presuming to ascribe Mitt Romney's views to Meat, given that Meat has voluntarily endorsed him. If someone endorsed Nick Griffin, would you assume he was racist? If someone endorsed the Lib Dems, would you assume he shared liberal values?

Fine, he qualified his comments on Facebook. He didn't qualify them when he gave his endorsement at the rally. Which do you think reached more people?

If you endorse a politician, people will assume you endorse that politician's views and proposed policies.

If you DON'T endorse many of the key policies, hot button issues and values that a candidate is running behind, how about you....don't endorse them? If you merely think they're the slightly better of two candidates, how about using your vote instead of your bluster?

I said earlier in the thread, to a lot of people - and the facts stand - a vote for Romney is a vote against gay rights. Ergo, to a lot of people Meat saying 'I endorse Romney' is no different than Meat going to a rally and saying 'I'm against gay marriage'.

He said 'I endorse Mitt Romney', that Mitt Romney was the candidate for a brighter future for America, that people should argue with their friends and families and persuade them that Romney is the way to go.

He did not say 'I kind of endorse Mitt Romney, but think he's wrong about this, this and this'.

Standing behind Romney and his divisive policies, causing his fans to turn on him, and being mocked for a poor performance all over the internet. Was it worth it? Has something being achieved, other than damage?

[BostonAngel]

Originally Posted by Tomjoad

A different angle about this endorsement: do you think all members of the band who were onstage agreed with Meat statements?
I think he should have done this thing alone...

I had that same thought. I know a couple of them are Obama supporters. This is part of what gets to me about the whole thing; By having it be a BAND appearance to support a political candidate, he was in fact, forcing his own political choice on the rest of them which I don't think is very fair. He should have appeared by himself. Granted, maybe they did have the chance to decline if they wished. What would have been the repercussions of that choice though, I wonder Even my mother said that some of the band members looked absolutely miserable.
I realize my opinion might be controversial. Politics is full of controversy.