Verbal abuse

[original sin]

I have to say that I agree with Guppie on this one. I always seem to have an opinion as well and I have never felt disrespected or abused for it.
I don't totally agree with Sin and Heat on the point of respect though. Personally, I feel that everyone deserves respect in one measure or another. For me, it's the way people treat each other which lessons or increases the amount of respect that they get, but the respect is always there at the beginning. I guess that it goes back to "do unto others".

Maria ~ Just my opinion

Maria

I can fully understand your view point. Personally I, like Heat has expressed, acknowledge the right of every individual to receive common courtesy, a dignified approach and be free of degrading treatment. However in my book RESPECT is on a different level altogether.

I can communicate with different people and personalities and will at all times treat them in a dignified and courteous manner, this does not mean I respect them. It means I am a polite and courteous person.

I do not think Sadam Hussain qualifies for my respect, nor many others I could name.

Yes, respect will increase with acts and deeds but it also (imho) needs a start point., and that will grow and develop as your relationship shapes. This of course is accepting that it starts from mutual courtesy and diginity.

I think it is totally different to respect the right of the individual to receive an expected standard, I.e courtesy, dignity, equality and freedom of speech than to have respect for the actual individual.

Using Sadam Hussain again as an example, I do not and cannot have respect for the man, but I respect his right to a free and fair trial.

Likewise I do not profess to love the world, because, I can’t and I don’t and even acknowledging my many faults, I am never insincere or hypocritical. That’s my standard.


Sin - (who thinks she now may have covered all her thoughts and feelings)

[heat]

Originally Posted by David M. Driskell

I am seeing two Meat Loaf fans who could be considered to be less than loving to all they come in contact with. I am sorry you have a lack of respect in your heart for people, and pray that maybe one day you will find it in your heart to treat everyone with equal respect and show everyone just as much love as you can muster.

Firstly David, let me say that you do not know me, all you know of me is the personna that i have chosen to face these forums with, so therefore it's not your job to either judge me nor decide just how loving and caring a person i am.

You say that 'you pray one day that you will find it in your heart to treat everyone with equal respect'. As i have stated before, for me, Respect is something that has to be earned. I can honestly say that i don't respect you - how can i? i don't know you. All i know of you is what you have chosen to show me. What i do have, however, is the curtesy and good manners to accpet your opinions and points of view even if i don't always agree with them. Just because i can't give you my respect, doesn't mean that i have any less of a reguard for you than i do some other members of this forum.

I'm sorry that you think my views on respect are less important than your views, but that's ok. As an adult of moderate intelligence, i'm sensible enough to know that not everybody is going to get on all of the time. That's ok too. However, what isn't ok is when certain people are persecuted for expressing opinions and thoughts. That's just not on.

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by heat

Firstly David, let me say that you do not know me, all you know of me is the personna that i have chosen to face these forums with, so therefore it's not your job to either judge me nor decide just how loving and caring a person i am.

You say that 'you pray one day that you will find it in your heart to treat everyone with equal respect'. As i have stated before, for me, Respect is something that has to be earned. I can honestly say that i don't respect you - how can i? i don't know you. All i know of you is what you have chosen to show me. What i do have, however, is the curtesy and good manners to accpet your opinions and points of view even if i don't always agree with them. Just because i can't give you my respect, doesn't mean that i have any less of a reguard for you than i do some other members of this forum.

I'm sorry that you think my views on respect are less important than your views, but that's ok. As an adult of moderate intelligence, i'm sensible enough to know that not everybody is going to get on all of the time. That's ok too. However, what isn't ok is when certain people are persecuted for expressing opinions and thoughts. That's just not on.

Once again Heat ... I Couldn't Have Said It Better Myself :)
Thank you !!!!!
Vicki

[shadow1000001]

Originally Posted by original sin

Maria

I can fully understand your view point. Personally I, like Heat has expressed, acknowledge the right of every individual to receive common courtesy, a dignified approach and be free of degrading treatment. However in my book RESPECT is on a different level altogether.

I can communicate with different people and personalities and will at all times treat them in a dignified and courteous manner, this does not mean I respect them. It means I am a polite and courteous person.

I do not think Sadam Hussain qualifies for my respect, nor many others I could name.

Yes, respect will increase with acts and deeds but it also (imho) needs a start point., and that will grow and develop as your relationship shapes. This of course is accepting that it starts from mutual courtesy and diginity.

I think it is totally different to respect the right of the individual to receive an expected standard, I.e courtesy, dignity, equality and freedom of speech than to have respect for the actual individual.

Using Sadam Hussain again as an example, I do not and cannot have respect for the man, but I respect his right to a free and fair trial.

Likewise I do not profess to love the world, because, I can’t and I don’t and even acknowledging my many faults, I am never insincere or hypocritical. That’s my standard.


Sin - (who thinks she now may have covered all her thoughts and feelings)

I want to thank you Sin for fully explaining that to me. I really appreciate it

Maria

[CarylB]

David Driskell wrote

I want you all to know I love each and everyone of you with every fiber of my being. I love every member of this board and wish only the best for you.

Then elsewhere

J & T!!!!
You both should be certified as unhealthy, obsessed lunatic, sycophantic, sad people having withdrawal symptoms on your third bottle of gin for thinking this is a good idea!!! HEE HEE!!! Seriously, and the fact that the thought police almost had me talked into thinking this was a good idea as well is crazy!!! HEE HEE!!! All I can say is make sure to pack up your Meat Loaf shower gel and toothpaste when you go!!!
YOU SUCK!!!
J O K I N G !!!

I rest my case

[Guppie]

But Caryl... I read that post too and I took that as humor, just a joke..

[CarylB]

Sorry Guppie .. as all these were words from the list of abuse to which I had been subjected, this is imo poor humour and at MY expense. And I thought you agreed these were abusive and hurtful

[Guppie]

Must be the language-thing then, because I took it as a joke, that he was calling J and T those words because they are such devoted fans, just to show how stupid it would be to call them those words.
That's how I read the post.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Guppie

Must be the language-thing then, because I took it as a joke, that he was calling J and T those words because they are such devoted fans, just to show how stupid it would be to call them those words.
That's how I read the post.

Couldn't Have Said It Better Myself

ROCK ON DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!

[Mike Piercy]

I thought rock music was about having fun.

This is the Meat Loaf UK Fan Club and this debate is growing more tiresome by the day.

Any chance of getting back to Meat and his music

Mike

[Guppie]

Oh, this topic didn't get locked, the sticky one did.

Since I was involved in this topic too I'd like to respond one more time.

Diane wrote:

This whole "verbal abuse" thing has rattled on and on for what feels like an eternity and I'm sure I'm not the only one sick to death of it. It hit a new all-time low today and I am appalled that Meat's picture should be used to abuse other people. This is the ultimate in bad taste and shows a complete and utter disrespect for the man and his art. It is highly offensive to both Meat and the people it is aimed at.

I never meant to rattle on or bore folks on this forum. Initially I saw a valid point and responded. Name calling is NOT done. Simple. The picture that is mentioned by you and R: never saw that. Probably removed before I logged in?


I logg in every day on mlukfc. Can't keep up with all the posts, so I just randomly pick a few and choose "reminder" to help me remind where I reacted.

But since I'm one of the last persons to respond in the verbal abuse topic, I hope I didn't offend anyone or started something bad or anything. But if I did, I apologize.

I'm Dutch. My English is fairly well but it IS written text and a mistake is easily made.

So please, bare in mind that I'm Dutch?

[Diane]

Originally Posted by Guppie

Oh, this topic didn't get locked, the sticky one did.

Since I was involved in this topic too I'd like to respond one more time.

Diane wrote:

I never meant to rattle on or bore folks on this forum. Initially I saw a valid point and responded. Name calling is NOT done. Simple. The picture that is mentioned by you and R: never saw that. Probably removed before I logged in?

But since I'm one of the last persons to respond in the verbal abuse topic, I hope I didn't offend anyone or started something bad or anything. But if I did, I apologize.

No Guppie, I'm not upset with you. I was mad at the double standards being employed here, Meat's picture being used to express other people's points of view in an offensive way and the fact that people can't just state their opinions and then agree to disagree.

We're all Meat Loaf fans (wouldn't be here otherwise) but we should all be tolerant of the fact that we don't all think alike, thank God, which should lead to good, healthy debate, not the backbiting squabbling we've seen of late.

Of course I'm not condoning name-calling in any way and can understand how hurtful it is to be on the receiving end. The person responsible was cautioned. If it had ended there it would have saved a lot of the unpleasantness that has been banded around here.

I like to think of us as a pretty unique bunch of people because we are all brought together by our love of Meat and his music. Many of us will be lucky enough to be seeing him in concert either now or in the New Year. I doubt I'm alone when I say that seeing Meat live on stage is the absolute icing on the cake. The last thing I want to do, especially at this time when I'm on a huge adrenalin rush, is to come here and read all the bitterness that is being posted. I can't imagine Meat appreciates it either when he comes here and reads it at a time when he would be hoping to bring so much enjoyment and excitement to his fans. Let's get on with enjoying the very special art that Meat brings to us all and allow each other the privilege to appreciate the pleasure he brings us in our own individual ways without fear of condemnation or contempt. It is after all supposed to be the season of peace and goodwill!!!

Diane

[Bren]

Originally Posted by Guppie

I'm Dutch. My English is fairly well but it IS written text and a mistake is easily made.

So please, bare in mind that I'm Dutch?

Guppie,
Your English is excellent, not only are your posts clear and concise and easy to read, they are very well written,.....you need have no worries there.

Bren

[Guppie]

Originally Posted by Diane

Let's get on with enjoying the very special art that Meat brings to us all and allow each other the privilege to appreciate the pleasure he brings us in our own individual ways without fear of condemnation or contempt. It is after all supposed to be the season of peace and goodwill!!!
Diane

Let's do that.
Thanks for explaining, Diane. I'm glad you weren't upset with me

And Bren, thanks too for your comment.

[ChrissybabezNI]

Originally Posted by Bren

Guppie,
Your English is excellent, not only are your posts clear and concise and easy to read, they are very well written,.....you need have no worries there.

Bren

I know its not part of the topic but I have to agree with this. Lots of people on here have English as a second (or maybe third?) language and you all speak it perfectly and your spelling is actually better than a lot of people who speak it as a first language. The only other language I can sort of speak is German, and I'm nowhere near this good, hoping to improve though.

Chrissy

[rockfenris2005]

I have no problems with Caryl. It's just that her animated Meat Loafs scare me - I mean, REALLY scare me. Her latest one is Santa Claus, and I'm too scared to go to bed because I'm afraid I'll have nightmares. All in all, she's a great gal - and a true Meat Loaf fan. Be proud, Fireball!!!

[CarylB]

Thanks Ryan .. but if you like vampires how can you be scared by something as kindly as Santa and/or Meat? ))

[Mike Piercy]

Looks like Roy Wood's Wizzard

Mike

[CarylB]

Well .. if you give Roy Meat's eyes, mouth, nose and put him in a Santa costume .. yes, he would Mike :)

[Gez]

Hey, thats a great picture

[CarylB]

Thanks Gerry .. you want sound with that?

http://www.republic-of-loafdom.com/m...004/Guitar.htm

:)

[dottie]

nuff said

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by dottie

nuff said

Right you are Dottie

Vicki

[Gez]

Got it on my desktop. Excellent

[rockfenris2005]

Another thing that scares me (concerning weird animations) is where they put Saddam's real head onto an animated body in SOUTH PARK. I just don't like when they do that - it's devilish and frightening.