at least it only hurts....

duke knooby · 10 Jul 2009, 19:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5HhVpkU2-c

**The Flying Mouse** · 10 Jul 2009, 19:44

Lots of echo on that recording.
There was a better version on youtube in three parts, but I could only find one part of it last time I looked.

This really should be recorded the way it was performed and released somehow (part of a Bat III box set).

**allrevvedup** · 10 Jul 2009, 19:57

I think there was one from an irish show they did in which it didn't sound that great at all...the if it ain't broke part sounding more like the wuthering heights version.

After listening to this link, i much prefer the bat III version

RSG · 11 Jul 2009, 01:23

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

There was a better version on youtube in three parts,
This really should be recorded the way it was performed and released somehow (part of a Bat III box set).

I would be to blame for that, I wound up cancelling my youtube account. :P

Steve6 · 11 Jul 2009, 02:51

There was an audio recording of this floating around, and I have it. But this version of "Only when I feel" is better, I was so disappointed that didn't make the album, it was so Bat Out Hell, but I have to say it didn't blend well with "Break it" so one had to give.

Ma.Ra · 11 Jul 2009, 15:08

The Only When I Feel part fits so mutch with Meat and Bat Out Of Hell, it is a real shame. The same for What Part Of My Body Hurts The Must.
At least, I have the OTT versions of these songs. But I think Meat could have done these 2 songs even more better.

EDIT: In Zürich 2005, he sang OWIF, too.

Elijah's way · 11 Jul 2009, 22:46

I really wish that he would have put this song on Bat 3 it fit it so well and it is a really good song just f...ing love it wish he would release it on the new CD or as a b-side.

Wario · 11 Jul 2009, 23:03

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Originally Posted by RHStoned

I really wish that he would have put this song on Bat 3 it fit it so well and it is a really good song just f...ing love it wish he would release it on the new CD or as a b-side.

i dont think it'll fit on the new album. B-side ... mabey

wolfy35 · 11 Jul 2009, 23:34

I dont think I will be alone in saying I wish that the full version as in that recording had made it to Bat 3 it is so much more powerful and emotionally charged than the version that finally made it.

Although I am not one of the people who say Meat should only sing Steinman works I will freely and happily say that I am one of the people who say that no matter who produces the music Jims songs are hust so good that they deserve to be recorded as is and not altered or edited in any way

RSG · 12 Jul 2009, 06:09

'Pigs' was altered and edited. Guitar was also added. But I believe I read somewhere Jim envisioned the song with guitar.

WhenItComes2LovingU · 14 Jul 2009, 02:39

What Jim said was:

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IT IS AND WILL REMAIN: "IN THE LAND OF THE PIG THE BUTCHER IS KING." ... "In the Land of the PigS" is NOT SCARY! It connotes a bunch of pigs, even a nation of pigs! BUT--"LAND OF THE PIG" connotes ONE MYTHICALLY HUGE ICONIC ALL CONSUMING PIG! A SYMBOL OF ALL!!! IT IS SCARY! Scary to be "in the land of the pig." Not so scary to be in "the land of the pigs." ... And it makes "THE BUTCHER IS KING" infinitely more frightening! I know Meat sang PIGS, dont have a clue why. I had talked to Meat about it 2 years ago, and mentioned it should sound like Metallica/Disturbed meets Kurt Weill, my fave 20th century composer. Well he did kind of get HALF the equation. = : - )

Ellipses mine. In a separate blog entry, he also assumes Desmond is responsible for the changes in lyric and song structure.

**RadioMaster** · 14 Jul 2009, 09:52

both versions have something interesting. But I dont think the batman demo version would work on a regular album. It's more of a musical songs. (Not to easy to get into).

Jim opinion is arguable. I think that the pig isnt the one who's supposed to be scary, it's the butcher. And one scary butcher with a multitude of scared, screaming pigs, trying to run and hide is a much scarier image to me than a 1:1 fight. So I think pigs works better than pig in that context (and in the song)

Pudding · 14 Jul 2009, 10:11

Little pigs running and hiding isn't scary at all, one giant pig on the other hand is something very scary. If you were walking down a dark alley and saw a load of little pigs you wouldn't run, but if you saw a 6 foot pig down a dark alley (reminds me of Barnsley) then you're going to run for your life.

**RadioMaster** · 14 Jul 2009, 10:19

but youre not supposed to be scared by the pigs. THe song is about a few powerful corrupt politicians/etc messing with the mass of little, unimportant, stupid, scared citizens. Having all those citizens resembled by one giant superpig doesnt do anything for the song itself.

Pudding · 14 Jul 2009, 10:53

When you look at a certain society you look at it as a whole, as one mass and not individual people. If you think of New York you'll automatically have an image in mind, what it is, what it does and what the people are like.

When Brits think of France or Germany they have an image in mind of the country as a whole, not individual French or Germans.

**RadioMaster** · 14 Jul 2009, 11:00

well, that's a point.
But in the context of the song that's still not what it's about.
If the song was about an angry mob rising against the leaders, THEN calling it pig would make sense, but in the song that's exactly what they're not doing. They're all just scared little piggies afraid of getting attention from the ones above.

Pudding · 14 Jul 2009, 11:30

Don't forget though that the song was written to be part of a musical where it's part of a cohesive story. Meat was just looking at it as a stand-alone song, when really it isn't, which is probably where Jim is coming from.

**RadioMaster** · 14 Jul 2009, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Don't forget though that the song was written to be part of a musical where it's part of a cohesive story. Meat was just looking at it as a stand-alone song, when really it isn't, which is probably where Jim is coming from.

we can agree on that. in the musical context pig makes more sense as the 'pig', or the gotham citizens, play(s) a big part in the plot, while as stand alone song that isnt the case.
So after all, it was a good idea to change pig to pigs from the musical to the album, which is what i was saying all along

**allrevvedup** · 14 Jul 2009, 12:46

but Meat had to look at it as a standalone song, if Steinman would have been healthy enough to work on the full album it may have been different...but that's an old argument to dredge up.

I prefer Meat's version to Steinman's demo but I can see the musical aspect of Steinman's. Meat/Jim/Desmond Child saw an opportunity to make it something heavier.

Pudding · 14 Jul 2009, 13:28

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup

but Meat had to look at it as a standalone song, if Steinman would have been healthy enough to work on the full album it may have been different...but that's an old argument to dredge up.

That's assuming of course that Jim would have actually used it for Bat3. Also after hearing Desmond Child defend his choice of lyrics of If God Could Talk to Todd Rundgren, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was Desmond who changed the lyrics from pig to pigs.

Wario · 14 Jul 2009, 13:38

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Originally Posted by Pudding

That's assuming of course that Jim would have actually used it for Bat3. Also after hearing Desmond Child defend his choice of lyrics of If God Could Talk to Todd Rundgren, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was Desmond who changed the lyrics from pig to pigs.

Then do the monkey!

WhenItComes2LovingU · 14 Jul 2009, 17:33

And in line with what Pudding says, we actually do have a substantial list of songs Jim would have used for Bat III in his blog, and "Pig" ain't on it.

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I can say that I would have included STILL THE CHILDREN, BRAVER, PARADISE LOST (thats a sequel Rinkoff was referring to), NO LIPS, HANDS, or BUTTS (thats a REAL "PARADISE" sequel, GOD HAS LEFT THE BUILDING (thats closest to BAT), THE MONSTER IS OUT OF THE CAGE (and I have NO idea if Meat or Desmond knew of that be4 their "MONSTER" song), CRY TO HEAVEN, and THE POWERS OF DARKNESS, which extols the GOOD aspects of The Powers Of Darkness. ... I know I wanted ALL new songs. ... Also WHAT PART OF MY BODY HURTS THE MOST.

Again, ellipses mine. However, the question is then begged that why would Jim be talking to Meat about the song two years prior to Bat III were it not for potential inclusion on an album at some point? The amount of songs Jim had provided for Bat III was always in flux. Prior to his non-involvement, at least 5 songs had been written as of 2001, and then I hear talk of 15 demos from Meat in an interview, and then after Desmond came in there was talk of eight Jim songs and three non-Jim, and then by the end of the project, it was a more evenly matched amount of both. The question in my mind is, what story is true? I'm guessing we'll never quite know.

**RadioMaster** · 14 Jul 2009, 17:45

that's only what Jim said though, we have no idea if that's what he really intended.
After all, he's the one who kept talking about making the album and Meat/Des were the ones who actually did it. So you have to give them kudos for at least doing something.

Pudding · 15 Jul 2009, 01:09

Possible consideration, actual consideration and "hey here's a song I wrote what do you think?" are all different scenario's.

Pound to a pinch of shit Jim wouldn't have had It's All Coming Back To me Now on Bat3, so any Steinman songs on that album are questionable whether they were intended to be on there in the first place or not.

WhenItComes2LovingU · 15 Jul 2009, 02:27

^ In fact, it's a matter of public record that Jim stopped Meat legally from doing the song before, preventing him from using it on WTTN with an injunction.

10 Jul 2009, 19:22	#1
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,884	at least it only hurts.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5HhVpkU2-c

10 Jul 2009, 19:44	#2
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Lots of echo on that recording. There was a better version on youtube in three parts, but I could only find one part of it last time I looked. This really should be recorded the way it was performed and released somehow (part of a Bat III box set).

10 Jul 2009, 19:57	#3
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,351	I think there was one from an irish show they did in which it didn't sound that great at all...the if it ain't broke part sounding more like the wuthering heights version. After listening to this link, i much prefer the bat III version

11 Jul 2009, 02:51	#5
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	There was an audio recording of this floating around, and I have it. But this version of "Only when I feel" is better, I was so disappointed that didn't make the album, it was so Bat Out Hell, but I have to say it didn't blend well with "Break it" so one had to give.

11 Jul 2009, 15:08	#6
Ma.Ra Trekkie Join Date: 25.07.2004 Location: in the middle of nowhere Posts: 863	The Only When I Feel part fits so mutch with Meat and Bat Out Of Hell, it is a real shame. The same for What Part Of My Body Hurts The Must. At least, I have the OTT versions of these songs. But I think Meat could have done these 2 songs even more better. EDIT: In Zürich 2005, he sang OWIF, too.

11 Jul 2009, 22:46	#7
Elijah's way Soul Auctioneer Join Date: 26.06.2005 Location: Muscle Shoals, AL Posts: 1,529	I really wish that he would have put this song on Bat 3 it fit it so well and it is a really good song just f...ing love it wish he would release it on the new CD or as a b-side.

11 Jul 2009, 23:34	#9
wolfy35 Dangerous on a full moon Join Date: 14.03.2007 Location: Standing on the outside, Looking in on you Posts: 751	I dont think I will be alone in saying I wish that the full version as in that recording had made it to Bat 3 it is so much more powerful and emotionally charged than the version that finally made it. Although I am not one of the people who say Meat should only sing Steinman works I will freely and happily say that I am one of the people who say that no matter who produces the music Jims songs are hust so good that they deserve to be recorded as is and not altered or edited in any way

12 Jul 2009, 06:09	#10
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	'Pigs' was altered and edited. Guitar was also added. But I believe I read somewhere Jim envisioned the song with guitar.

14 Jul 2009, 09:52	#12
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	both versions have something interesting. But I dont think the batman demo version would work on a regular album. It's more of a musical songs. (Not to easy to get into). Jim opinion is arguable. I think that the pig isnt the one who's supposed to be scary, it's the butcher. And one scary butcher with a multitude of scared, screaming pigs, trying to run and hide is a much scarier image to me than a 1:1 fight. So I think pigs works better than pig in that context (and in the song)

14 Jul 2009, 10:11	#13
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Little pigs running and hiding isn't scary at all, one giant pig on the other hand is something very scary. If you were walking down a dark alley and saw a load of little pigs you wouldn't run, but if you saw a 6 foot pig down a dark alley (reminds me of Barnsley) then you're going to run for your life.

14 Jul 2009, 10:19	#14
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	but youre not supposed to be scared by the pigs. THe song is about a few powerful corrupt politicians/etc messing with the mass of little, unimportant, stupid, scared citizens. Having all those citizens resembled by one giant superpig doesnt do anything for the song itself.

14 Jul 2009, 10:53	#15
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	When you look at a certain society you look at it as a whole, as one mass and not individual people. If you think of New York you'll automatically have an image in mind, what it is, what it does and what the people are like. When Brits think of France or Germany they have an image in mind of the country as a whole, not individual French or Germans.

14 Jul 2009, 11:00	#16
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	well, that's a point. But in the context of the song that's still not what it's about. If the song was about an angry mob rising against the leaders, THEN calling it pig would make sense, but in the song that's exactly what they're not doing. They're all just scared little piggies afraid of getting attention from the ones above.

14 Jul 2009, 11:30	#17
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Don't forget though that the song was written to be part of a musical where it's part of a cohesive story. Meat was just looking at it as a stand-alone song, when really it isn't, which is probably where Jim is coming from.

14 Jul 2009, 12:46	#19
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,351	but Meat had to look at it as a standalone song, if Steinman would have been healthy enough to work on the full album it may have been different...but that's an old argument to dredge up. I prefer Meat's version to Steinman's demo but I can see the musical aspect of Steinman's. Meat/Jim/Desmond Child saw an opportunity to make it something heavier.

14 Jul 2009, 17:45	#23
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	that's only what Jim said though, we have no idea if that's what he really intended. After all, he's the one who kept talking about making the album and Meat/Des were the ones who actually did it. So you have to give them kudos for at least doing something.

15 Jul 2009, 01:09	#24
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Possible consideration, actual consideration and "hey here's a song I wrote what do you think?" are all different scenario's. Pound to a pinch of shit Jim wouldn't have had It's All Coming Back To me Now on Bat3, so any Steinman songs on that album are questionable whether they were intended to be on there in the first place or not.

15 Jul 2009, 02:27	#25
WhenItComes2LovingU Banned Join Date: 16.01.2006 Posts: 303	^ In fact, it's a matter of public record that Jim stopped Meat legally from doing the song before, preventing him from using it on WTTN with an injunction.