Gigography

Renegade Angel · 16 May 2003, 22:13

Does anyone know where I can find an up-to-date gigography of all the shows Meat Has done over the years.
I know it will be hard especially as Meat does and has done hundreds of gigs over the years but i would love to see a full list of all the shows Meat has performed.

Dave · 16 May 2003, 22:59

Here are a couple of lists you might want to check out:

Complete list of the Just Havin' Fun Tour Dates:
http://mirrorofthesoul.com/testify/
Complete list of the Couldn't Have Said It Better Tour Dates:
http://mirrorofthesoul.com/tour/
Complete list of the Night Of The Proms Tour Dates:
http://www.kasiminfo.com/Proms.html

That should give you a pretty good start!

Renegade Angel · 16 May 2003, 23:09

Cheers David!
It is a start, maybe if we work backwards we will end up with a pretty good gig list.
Im gonna have a look through my old concert programmes to find out any of the old ones.

sherrie87 · 17 May 2003, 00:11

Wow, I've never heard of a "gigography". I would love to find out the date of the best concert I ever went to, ML at Jannus Landing in St Petersburg Florida. I think it was 89 or 90, and it really bothers me that I can't pinpoint the date, or at least the year. I tried a Yahoo and Google search with "Meat Loaf" and "Jannus Landing", but I didn't find anything at all. One of the Kasim sites has a "this day in Kasim history" sort of thing every day, they must have a list of many of the concerts. It's either Kasimnews or Kasiminfo, I always get confused about the URL.

Sherrie

Dave · 17 May 2003, 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherrie87

It's either Kasimnews or Kasiminfo, I always get confused about the URL.

Sherrie...it would be http://www.KasimINFO.com !

**SueW** · 17 May 2003, 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherrie87

I would love to find out the date of the best concert I ever went to, ML at Jannus Landing in St Petersburg Florida. I think it was 89 or 90, and it really bothers me that I can't pinpoint the date, or at least the year. I tried a Yahoo and Google search with "Meat Loaf" and "Jannus Landing", but I didn't find anything at all. One of the Kasim sites has a "this day in Kasim history" sort of thing every day, they must have a list of many of the concerts
Sherrie

Each day over the years (that I've been able to discover) on KasimInfo.com I put which concerts Kasim played or TV shows he appeared on. For instance for today 17th May:
On This Day in 1996 Kasim Sulton played a concert with Meat Loaf at Olympiahalle, Munich, Germany.

However, Sherrie I'm afraid that I can't help you out with you query as back in 1990 Kasim was playing with Hall and Oates - he didn't start playing concerts with Meat Loaf until 1993.

Does the venue have a website? Maybe they keep records from 14 years ago, I know that some venues do.

Sue
http://www.KasimInfo.com

Renegade Angel · 17 May 2003, 20:57

I just put together a massive list of all the dates that I found but silly me deleted most of them but here are what I managed to salvage and I'll add the rest later

MEAT LOAF TOUR DATES

1983

DONINGTON - 20th August
ST. IVES - 30th August
BIRMINGHAM - 21st September
MANCHESTER - 22nd September
WEMBLEY - 24th September
IPSWICH - 25th September
NEWCASTLE - 26th September
GLASGOW - 28th September
ABERDEEN - 29th September
EDINBURGH - 30th September

1984 / 1985

SHEFFIELD - 16th November
NOTTINGHAM - 17th November
CARDIFF - 19th November
PORTSMOUTH - 20th November
ST AUSTELL - 21st November
BRISTOL - 23rd November
SOUTHAMPTON - 24th November
OXFORD - 25th November
NEWCASTLE - 27th November
HARROGATE - 28th November
MANCHESTER - 29th November
BIRMINGHAM - 1st December
HAMMERSMITH - 3rd & 4th December
LIVERPOOL - 5th December
IPSWICH - 7th December
BRIGHTON - 8th December
BIRMINGHAM - 9th December
GLASGOW - 19th December
ABERDEEN - 20th December
EDINBURGH - 21st December
LEICESTER - 17th January
NEWCASTLE - 19th January
EDINBURGH - 20th January
MANCHESTER - 22nd January
BIRMINGHAM - 23rd January
HARROGATE - 24th January
BOURNEMOUTH - 26th January
BRIGHTON - 27th January
PRESTON - 29th January
SHEFFIELD - 30th January
IPSWICH - 31st January
HAMMERSMITH - 2nd February

1987
14th February, Brighton
15th February, Brighton
18th February, Birmingham NEC
19th February, Birmingham NEC
21st February, Edinburgh
22nd February, Edinburgh
24th February, Newcastle
25th February, Newcastle
28th February, Bournemouth
1st March, Wembley Arena
2nd March, Wembley Arena

1988

HARROGATE - 9th March
LIVERPOOL - 10th March
ABERDEEN - 12th March
ABERDEEN - 13th March
EDINBURGH - 14th March
NEWCASTLE - 15th March
SHEFFIELD - 17th March
MANCHESTER - 19th March
BIRMINGHAM - 20th March
LONDON - 22nd March
LONDON - 23rd March
LONDON - 24th March
TORQUAY - 26th March
BRISTOL - 27th March
NEWPORT - 28th March
BOURNEMOUTH - 30th March
BRIGHTON - 31st March

1996

EXETER – 1st April
MANCHESTER – 3rd April
GLASGOW – 5TH April
SHEFFIELD 7TH April
BIRMINGHAM – 8TH April
CARDIFF – 14TH April
LONDON – 16TH April
LONDON – 17TH April
BIRMINGHAM - 19th April
BIRMINGHAM - 20th April
SHEFFIELD - 23rd April
GLASGOW - 24th April
NEWCASTLE - 26th April
MANCHESTER - 27th April
LONDON - 29th April
LONDON - 30th April

Tim · 17 May 2003, 21:02

I see, that is a great list... so who has the bootlegs???

Renegade Angel · 17 May 2003, 22:28

This is the best I can come up with but like I say if anyone can add anymore then please add them - im especially interested in the 93/94/95 tour dates.

1982
APRIL
COPENHAGEN
STOCKHOLM
GOTHENBURG
AMSTERDAM
DUSSLEDORF
MUNICH
LUDWIGSHAFEN
FRANKFURT
HAMBURG
BRUSSELS
PARIS
BRIGHTON
BRIGHTON
BIRMINGHAM
BIRMINGHAM
LONDON
LONDON
LONDON
LONDON
MAY
EDINBURGH
EDINBURGH
BELFAST
BELFAST
BIRMINGHAM
1983
USA TOUR

LOS ANGELES, CA
MESA, AZ
DENVER, CO
GRANITE CITY, IL
CHICAGO, IL
MILWAUKEE, WI
MADISON, WI
INDIANAPOILIS, IN
DETROIT, MI
CLEVELAND, OH
MOOSIC, PA
PHILADELPHIA, PA
SALISBURY, MA
POUGHKEEPSIE, NY
NEW YORK, NY
WILDWOOD, NJ

UK TOUR
DONINGTON - 20th August
ST. IVES - 30th August
BIRMINGHAM - 21st September
MANCHESTER - 22nd September
WEMBLEY - 24th September
IPSWICH - 25th September
NEWCASTLE - 26th September
GLASGOW - 28th September
ABERDEEN - 29th September
EDINBURGH - 30th September
DUBLIN
BELFAST

SPAIN / PORTUGAL
LISBON
MADRID
BARCELONA
SAN SABASTIAN

EUROPE
PARIS
MILAN
ROME
AMSTERDAM
DUSSLEDORF
KAISERSLAUTERN
HAMBURG
BASEL
MUNICH
NURENBURG
BERLIN

SCANDANAVIA
OSLO
LUND
STOCKHOLM
HELSINKI

1984 / 1985

SHEFFIELD - 16th November
NOTTINGHAM - 17th November
CARDIFF - 19th November
PORTSMOUTH - 20th November
ST AUSTELL - 21st November
BRISTOL - 23rd November
SOUTHAMPTON - 24th November
OXFORD - 25th November
NEWCASTLE - 27th November
HARROGATE - 28th November
MANCHESTER - 29th November
BIRMINGHAM - 1st December
HAMMERSMITH - 3rd & 4th December
LIVERPOOL - 5th December
IPSWICH - 7th December
BRIGHTON - 8th December
BIRMINGHAM - 9th December
GLASGOW - 19th December
ABERDEEN - 20th December
EDINBURGH - 21st December
LEICESTER - 17th January
NEWCASTLE - 19th January
EDINBURGH - 20th January
MANCHESTER - 22nd January
BIRMINGHAM - 23rd January
HARROGATE - 24th January
BOURNEMOUTH - 26th January
BRIGHTON - 27th January
PRESTON - 29th January
SHEFFIELD - 30th January
IPSWICH - 31st January
HAMMERSMITH - 2nd February

KNEBWORTH FESTIVAL – 22nd June 1985

1987
14th February, Brighton
15th February, Brighton
18th February, Birmingham NEC
19th February, Birmingham NEC
21st February, Edinburgh
22nd February, Edinburgh
24th February, Newcastle
25th February, Newcastle
28th February, Bournemouth
1st March, Wembley Arena
2nd March, Wembley Arena

EUROPE
COPENHAGEN
OSLO
STOCKHOLM
HAMBURG
OSNABRUCK
MUNICH
STUTTGART
ZOFINGEN
OFFENBACH
SAARBRUCKEN
DUSSLEDORF
HANNOVER
BERLIN

USA
WEST VIRGINIA
EAST VIRGINIA
NORTH CAROLINA
SOUTH CAROLINA
KENTUCKY
GEORGIA
ALABAMA
MISSISSIPPI
ARKANSAS
OKLAHOMA
TEXAS
ARIZONA
CALIFORNIA
OREGON
WASHINGTON
MONTANA
WYOMING
UTAH
COLORADO
NEBRASKA
SOUTH DAKOTA
NORTH DAKOTA
MINNESOTA
IOWA
WISCONSIN
ILLINOIS
INDIANA
OHIO
PENNSYLVANIA
NEW YORK
NEW JERSEY
CONNECTICUT
MASSACHUSETTS
RHODE ISLAND

CANADA
MONTREAL
QUEBEC
TORONTO
OTTAWA
LONDON, ONTARIO

AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND
SYDNEY
MELBOURNE
BRISBANE
ADELAIDE
PERTH
NEWCASTLE
CANBERRA
AUCKLAND
WELLINGTON

JAPAN
TOKYO
OSAKA
YOKOHAMA
NAGOYA

1988
February
PHILADELPHIA
POUGHKEEPSIE
ASBURY PARK
BOSTON
NEW YORK
NEWARK
UTICA
GARDEN CITY – 1st March
LAWRENCEVILLE – 2ND March
HARROGATE - 9th March
LIVERPOOL - 10th March
ABERDEEN - 12th March
ABERDEEN - 13th March
EDINBURGH - 14th March
NEWCASTLE - 15th March
SHEFFIELD - 17th March
MANCHESTER - 19th March
BIRMINGHAM - 20th March
LONDON - 22nd March
LONDON - 23rd March
LONDON - 24th March
TORQUAY - 26th March
BRISTOL - 27th March
NEWPORT - 28th March
BOURNEMOUTH - 30th March
BRIGHTON - 31st March

APRIL
ULM
HOF
MANNAHEIM
MUNICH
STUTTGART
NURENBERG
PASSAU
OFFENBACH
GRAS
VIENNA
INNSBRUCK
OFFENBURG
BERLIN
BREMEN
DUSSLEDORF
HAMBURG

MAY - WESTERN CANADA
JUNE – WESTERN US
AUGUST - ICELAND

1996

EXETER – 1st April
MANCHESTER – 3rd April
GLASGOW – 5TH April
SHEFFIELD 7TH April
BIRMINGHAM – 8TH April
CARDIFF – 14TH April
LONDON – 16TH April
LONDON – 17TH April
BIRMINGHAM - 19th April
BIRMINGHAM - 20th April
SHEFFIELD - 23rd April
GLASGOW - 24th April
NEWCASTLE - 26th April
MANCHESTER - 27th April
LONDON - 29th April
LONDON - 30th April

**SueW** · 18 May 2003, 15:19

Renegade Angel - your dates for the StoryTellers tour are wrong. They did not play all those dates in Boston, others were cancelled due to illness later in the tour (e.g. Columbus) and you do not list the Florida dates.

It is also advisable that if you are just swiping info from another site (e.g. the NOTP dates obviously came from my site) you should at least quote your sources. I'm not sure if this board has the "out" that the MLUKFC is not responsible for what people post on this board but if they don't the MLUKFC could get into trouble too.

Sue
http://www.KasimInfo.com

Renegade Angel · 18 May 2003, 16:13

I was just trying to put together a list of all the shows - OK, I may have 'swiped' the material from your site, but seen as someone posted the link to your site, pointing me in the right direction as to where I could get these dates then Im hardly going to ignore this am I?

I could have easily just copied the list myself and typed it out, but instead I pasted it - but does it really matter?
Im not saying that I had the most up-to-date gigography, I was hoping that we could all work together to make it as acurate as we could get it, but it seems that you are more upset that it came from your site.

Apologies to everyone on this message board for having a bit of fun - next time I will try and be more serious.

Renegade Angel · 18 May 2003, 16:16

PS - I have removed the dates that I swiped from your site

**SueW** · 18 May 2003, 16:39

My point was that if you take info from any site and post it anywhere on this board, you should quote your sources. Websites and getting the info for websites takes a lot of time and energy. I'm very careful on my site to quote where I receive info from or to add links to the sites (e.g. venue sites), also to ask permission before I use info. Other sites (e.g. Mirror Of The Soul) are too.

As I said before I don't know if the MLUKFC cover themselves by saying that what people post are their own responsibility but if not, then the fan club could conceivably get into trouble with intellectual copyright laws if people post other things on this board.

In the case of these dates, the correct way to have done it was to have added a note that the dates came from whichever site you took them from. I never said that you had to remove the NOTP dates either (as all the non-corporate ones are available on other sites too).

In case you're wondering why I'm sensitive about this, other than it being a legal matter, recently a site was set up that had about 80 photos from my site without permission and no acknowledgement from where they came. Plus I don't want the MLUKFC getting into trouble from other websites.

Incidentially the correct list of StoryTellers dates for the concerts actually played (from http://www.kasiminfo.com/Tours/Meat/StoryTellers.html) was:
10/30 Albany, NY The Palace Theatre
11/02 Boston, MA The Orpheum
11/04 Boston, MA The Orpheum
11/05 Portland, ME State Theater
11/07 Erie, PA Warner Theater
11/09 Providence, RI Performing Arts Center
11/11 Newark, NJ New Jersey Perorming Arts Center
11/13 Uncasville, CT Mohegan Sun
11/14 Atlantic City, NJ Trump Marina
11/16 Poughkeepsie, NY, Mid Hudson Civic Center
11/18 Wilkes-Barre, PA Kirby Center
11/20 Wilkes-Barre, PA Kirby Center
11/22 Pittsburgh, PA Benedum Center
11/23 Buffalo, NY Shea's Performance Arts Center
11/26 Rochester, NY Auditorium Theatre
11/27 Syracuse, NY Landmark Theatre
11/30 Philadelphia, PA Entertainment Center
12/01 Washington, DC Constitution Hall
12/03 St. Louis, MO Fox Theatre
12/05 Chicago, IL Aire Crown Theatre
12/06 Milwaukee, WI The Riverside Theatre
12/12 Detroit, MI State Theatre
12/13 Toledo, OH Seagate Center
12/15 Toronto, ONT, Massey Hall
12/16 Youngstown, OH Stamburgh Auditorium
12/18 Cleveland, OH Music Hall
12/19 Cleveland, OH Music Hall
12/27 New York, NY Beacon Theatre
12/29 New York, NY Beacon Theatre
12/31 New York, NY Beacon Theatre
01/01 New York, NY Beacon Theatre
01/03 Ruth Eckland Hall, Clearwater, FL
01/05 Ruth Eckland Hall, Clearwater, FL
01/06 Hard Rock Live, Orlando, FL
01/08 Florida Theater, Jacksonville, FL
01/09 Gusman Center, Miami, FL

Sue
http://www.KasimInfo.com

Renegade Angel · 18 May 2003, 16:57

I understand that you might be annoyed that someone is stealling material from your site and using it as there own work but they are only tour dates that if I hadn't found them from your site then they would have been somewhere else and I would have just copied them but seen as there was a link to your page already posted here then I looked there first, so I apologise to you for not giving credit as to where I got them from.

The thing I don't understand is that they are only tour dates and not pictures or your own personal material that is copyrighted.
Like I say I could have just copied them and typed them onto the page, as I did with most of the others that took me ages to copy from various tour books - what difference would it be if someone clicked on the link that was already posted or if they saw the dates here?

**SueW** · 18 May 2003, 17:36

I think you'll find that it is called Intellectual Copyright Theft. In the case of the NOTP dates you won't (or shouldn't) find the corporate dates anywhere else as I doubt that anyone else spent 2 months going to all the concerts and asking the crew and members of the orchestra about the corporate concerts (as they were not announced shows).

I've already posted a message in the moderators section of the site asking about whether or not the MLUKFC are covered by what people post on this board or not. As you said in this case they were only tour dates but I don't want the MLUKFC getting into trouble if someone posted huge chunks of copyrighted material from other websites or books or things.

Sue
http://www.KasimInfo.com

Renegade Angel · 18 May 2003, 18:53

I must apologise that I used the NOTP tour dates from your site - I didn't know that you researched this tour as well as you did and my hat goes off to you for that.
However these tour dates did take place, weather they were advertised or not, they still deserve to be added to the gigography, so anybody trying to put such a gigography together would include these dates if they found them on the net.

16 May 2003, 22:13	#1
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	Gigography Does anyone know where I can find an up-to-date gigography of all the shows Meat Has done over the years. I know it will be hard especially as Meat does and has done hundreds of gigs over the years but i would love to see a full list of all the shows Meat has performed.

16 May 2003, 22:59	#2
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564	Here are a couple of lists you might want to check out: Complete list of the Just Havin' Fun Tour Dates: http://mirrorofthesoul.com/testify/ Complete list of the Couldn't Have Said It Better Tour Dates: http://mirrorofthesoul.com/tour/ Complete list of the Night Of The Proms Tour Dates: http://www.kasiminfo.com/Proms.html That should give you a pretty good start!

16 May 2003, 23:09	#3
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	Cheers David! It is a start, maybe if we work backwards we will end up with a pretty good gig list. Im gonna have a look through my old concert programmes to find out any of the old ones.

17 May 2003, 00:11	#4
sherrie87 Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.02.2003 Location: Largo, FL Posts: 1,262	Wow, I've never heard of a "gigography". I would love to find out the date of the best concert I ever went to, ML at Jannus Landing in St Petersburg Florida. I think it was 89 or 90, and it really bothers me that I can't pinpoint the date, or at least the year. I tried a Yahoo and Google search with "Meat Loaf" and "Jannus Landing", but I didn't find anything at all. One of the Kasim sites has a "this day in Kasim history" sort of thing every day, they must have a list of many of the concerts. It's either Kasimnews or Kasiminfo, I always get confused about the URL. Sherrie

17 May 2003, 20:57	#7
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	I just put together a massive list of all the dates that I found but silly me deleted most of them but here are what I managed to salvage and I'll add the rest later MEAT LOAF TOUR DATES 1983 DONINGTON - 20th August ST. IVES - 30th August BIRMINGHAM - 21st September MANCHESTER - 22nd September WEMBLEY - 24th September IPSWICH - 25th September NEWCASTLE - 26th September GLASGOW - 28th September ABERDEEN - 29th September EDINBURGH - 30th September 1984 / 1985 SHEFFIELD - 16th November NOTTINGHAM - 17th November CARDIFF - 19th November PORTSMOUTH - 20th November ST AUSTELL - 21st November BRISTOL - 23rd November SOUTHAMPTON - 24th November OXFORD - 25th November NEWCASTLE - 27th November HARROGATE - 28th November MANCHESTER - 29th November BIRMINGHAM - 1st December HAMMERSMITH - 3rd & 4th December LIVERPOOL - 5th December IPSWICH - 7th December BRIGHTON - 8th December BIRMINGHAM - 9th December GLASGOW - 19th December ABERDEEN - 20th December EDINBURGH - 21st December LEICESTER - 17th January NEWCASTLE - 19th January EDINBURGH - 20th January MANCHESTER - 22nd January BIRMINGHAM - 23rd January HARROGATE - 24th January BOURNEMOUTH - 26th January BRIGHTON - 27th January PRESTON - 29th January SHEFFIELD - 30th January IPSWICH - 31st January HAMMERSMITH - 2nd February 1987 14th February, Brighton 15th February, Brighton 18th February, Birmingham NEC 19th February, Birmingham NEC 21st February, Edinburgh 22nd February, Edinburgh 24th February, Newcastle 25th February, Newcastle 28th February, Bournemouth 1st March, Wembley Arena 2nd March, Wembley Arena 1988 HARROGATE - 9th March LIVERPOOL - 10th March ABERDEEN - 12th March ABERDEEN - 13th March EDINBURGH - 14th March NEWCASTLE - 15th March SHEFFIELD - 17th March MANCHESTER - 19th March BIRMINGHAM - 20th March LONDON - 22nd March LONDON - 23rd March LONDON - 24th March TORQUAY - 26th March BRISTOL - 27th March NEWPORT - 28th March BOURNEMOUTH - 30th March BRIGHTON - 31st March 1996 EXETER – 1st April MANCHESTER – 3rd April GLASGOW – 5TH April SHEFFIELD 7TH April BIRMINGHAM – 8TH April CARDIFF – 14TH April LONDON – 16TH April LONDON – 17TH April BIRMINGHAM - 19th April BIRMINGHAM - 20th April SHEFFIELD - 23rd April GLASGOW - 24th April NEWCASTLE - 26th April MANCHESTER - 27th April LONDON - 29th April LONDON - 30th April

17 May 2003, 21:02	#8
Tim The Butcher Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Westervoort, The Netherlands Posts: 10,321	I see, that is a great list... so who has the bootlegs???

17 May 2003, 22:28	#9
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	This is the best I can come up with but like I say if anyone can add anymore then please add them - im especially interested in the 93/94/95 tour dates. 1982 APRIL COPENHAGEN STOCKHOLM GOTHENBURG AMSTERDAM DUSSLEDORF MUNICH LUDWIGSHAFEN FRANKFURT HAMBURG BRUSSELS PARIS BRIGHTON BRIGHTON BIRMINGHAM BIRMINGHAM LONDON LONDON LONDON LONDON MAY EDINBURGH EDINBURGH BELFAST BELFAST BIRMINGHAM 1983 USA TOUR LOS ANGELES, CA MESA, AZ DENVER, CO GRANITE CITY, IL CHICAGO, IL MILWAUKEE, WI MADISON, WI INDIANAPOILIS, IN DETROIT, MI CLEVELAND, OH MOOSIC, PA PHILADELPHIA, PA SALISBURY, MA POUGHKEEPSIE, NY NEW YORK, NY WILDWOOD, NJ UK TOUR DONINGTON - 20th August ST. IVES - 30th August BIRMINGHAM - 21st September MANCHESTER - 22nd September WEMBLEY - 24th September IPSWICH - 25th September NEWCASTLE - 26th September GLASGOW - 28th September ABERDEEN - 29th September EDINBURGH - 30th September DUBLIN BELFAST SPAIN / PORTUGAL LISBON MADRID BARCELONA SAN SABASTIAN EUROPE PARIS MILAN ROME AMSTERDAM DUSSLEDORF KAISERSLAUTERN HAMBURG BASEL MUNICH NURENBURG BERLIN SCANDANAVIA OSLO LUND STOCKHOLM HELSINKI 1984 / 1985 SHEFFIELD - 16th November NOTTINGHAM - 17th November CARDIFF - 19th November PORTSMOUTH - 20th November ST AUSTELL - 21st November BRISTOL - 23rd November SOUTHAMPTON - 24th November OXFORD - 25th November NEWCASTLE - 27th November HARROGATE - 28th November MANCHESTER - 29th November BIRMINGHAM - 1st December HAMMERSMITH - 3rd & 4th December LIVERPOOL - 5th December IPSWICH - 7th December BRIGHTON - 8th December BIRMINGHAM - 9th December GLASGOW - 19th December ABERDEEN - 20th December EDINBURGH - 21st December LEICESTER - 17th January NEWCASTLE - 19th January EDINBURGH - 20th January MANCHESTER - 22nd January BIRMINGHAM - 23rd January HARROGATE - 24th January BOURNEMOUTH - 26th January BRIGHTON - 27th January PRESTON - 29th January SHEFFIELD - 30th January IPSWICH - 31st January HAMMERSMITH - 2nd February KNEBWORTH FESTIVAL – 22nd June 1985 1987 14th February, Brighton 15th February, Brighton 18th February, Birmingham NEC 19th February, Birmingham NEC 21st February, Edinburgh 22nd February, Edinburgh 24th February, Newcastle 25th February, Newcastle 28th February, Bournemouth 1st March, Wembley Arena 2nd March, Wembley Arena EUROPE COPENHAGEN OSLO STOCKHOLM HAMBURG OSNABRUCK MUNICH STUTTGART ZOFINGEN OFFENBACH SAARBRUCKEN DUSSLEDORF HANNOVER BERLIN USA WEST VIRGINIA EAST VIRGINIA NORTH CAROLINA SOUTH CAROLINA KENTUCKY GEORGIA ALABAMA MISSISSIPPI ARKANSAS OKLAHOMA TEXAS ARIZONA CALIFORNIA OREGON WASHINGTON MONTANA WYOMING UTAH COLORADO NEBRASKA SOUTH DAKOTA NORTH DAKOTA MINNESOTA IOWA WISCONSIN ILLINOIS INDIANA OHIO PENNSYLVANIA NEW YORK NEW JERSEY CONNECTICUT MASSACHUSETTS RHODE ISLAND CANADA MONTREAL QUEBEC TORONTO OTTAWA LONDON, ONTARIO AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND SYDNEY MELBOURNE BRISBANE ADELAIDE PERTH NEWCASTLE CANBERRA AUCKLAND WELLINGTON JAPAN TOKYO OSAKA YOKOHAMA NAGOYA 1988 February PHILADELPHIA POUGHKEEPSIE ASBURY PARK BOSTON NEW YORK NEWARK UTICA GARDEN CITY – 1st March LAWRENCEVILLE – 2ND March HARROGATE - 9th March LIVERPOOL - 10th March ABERDEEN - 12th March ABERDEEN - 13th March EDINBURGH - 14th March NEWCASTLE - 15th March SHEFFIELD - 17th March MANCHESTER - 19th March BIRMINGHAM - 20th March LONDON - 22nd March LONDON - 23rd March LONDON - 24th March TORQUAY - 26th March BRISTOL - 27th March NEWPORT - 28th March BOURNEMOUTH - 30th March BRIGHTON - 31st March APRIL ULM HOF MANNAHEIM MUNICH STUTTGART NURENBERG PASSAU OFFENBACH GRAS VIENNA INNSBRUCK OFFENBURG BERLIN BREMEN DUSSLEDORF HAMBURG MAY - WESTERN CANADA JUNE – WESTERN US AUGUST - ICELAND 1996 EXETER – 1st April MANCHESTER – 3rd April GLASGOW – 5TH April SHEFFIELD 7TH April BIRMINGHAM – 8TH April CARDIFF – 14TH April LONDON – 16TH April LONDON – 17TH April BIRMINGHAM - 19th April BIRMINGHAM - 20th April SHEFFIELD - 23rd April GLASGOW - 24th April NEWCASTLE - 26th April MANCHESTER - 27th April LONDON - 29th April LONDON - 30th April

18 May 2003, 15:19	#10
SueW Moderator Join Date: 14.04.2002 Posts: 1,345	Renegade Angel - your dates for the StoryTellers tour are wrong. They did not play all those dates in Boston, others were cancelled due to illness later in the tour (e.g. Columbus) and you do not list the Florida dates. It is also advisable that if you are just swiping info from another site (e.g. the NOTP dates obviously came from my site) you should at least quote your sources. I'm not sure if this board has the "out" that the MLUKFC is not responsible for what people post on this board but if they don't the MLUKFC could get into trouble too. Sue http://www.KasimInfo.com

18 May 2003, 16:13	#11
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	I was just trying to put together a list of all the shows - OK, I may have 'swiped' the material from your site, but seen as someone posted the link to your site, pointing me in the right direction as to where I could get these dates then Im hardly going to ignore this am I? I could have easily just copied the list myself and typed it out, but instead I pasted it - but does it really matter? Im not saying that I had the most up-to-date gigography, I was hoping that we could all work together to make it as acurate as we could get it, but it seems that you are more upset that it came from your site. Apologies to everyone on this message board for having a bit of fun - next time I will try and be more serious.

18 May 2003, 16:16	#12
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	PS - I have removed the dates that I swiped from your site

18 May 2003, 16:39	#13
SueW Moderator Join Date: 14.04.2002 Posts: 1,345	My point was that if you take info from any site and post it anywhere on this board, you should quote your sources. Websites and getting the info for websites takes a lot of time and energy. I'm very careful on my site to quote where I receive info from or to add links to the sites (e.g. venue sites), also to ask permission before I use info. Other sites (e.g. Mirror Of The Soul) are too. As I said before I don't know if the MLUKFC cover themselves by saying that what people post are their own responsibility but if not, then the fan club could conceivably get into trouble with intellectual copyright laws if people post other things on this board. In the case of these dates, the correct way to have done it was to have added a note that the dates came from whichever site you took them from. I never said that you had to remove the NOTP dates either (as all the non-corporate ones are available on other sites too). In case you're wondering why I'm sensitive about this, other than it being a legal matter, recently a site was set up that had about 80 photos from my site without permission and no acknowledgement from where they came. Plus I don't want the MLUKFC getting into trouble from other websites. Incidentially the correct list of StoryTellers dates for the concerts actually played (from http://www.kasiminfo.com/Tours/Meat/StoryTellers.html) was: 10/30 Albany, NY The Palace Theatre 11/02 Boston, MA The Orpheum 11/04 Boston, MA The Orpheum 11/05 Portland, ME State Theater 11/07 Erie, PA Warner Theater 11/09 Providence, RI Performing Arts Center 11/11 Newark, NJ New Jersey Perorming Arts Center 11/13 Uncasville, CT Mohegan Sun 11/14 Atlantic City, NJ Trump Marina 11/16 Poughkeepsie, NY, Mid Hudson Civic Center 11/18 Wilkes-Barre, PA Kirby Center 11/20 Wilkes-Barre, PA Kirby Center 11/22 Pittsburgh, PA Benedum Center 11/23 Buffalo, NY Shea's Performance Arts Center 11/26 Rochester, NY Auditorium Theatre 11/27 Syracuse, NY Landmark Theatre 11/30 Philadelphia, PA Entertainment Center 12/01 Washington, DC Constitution Hall 12/03 St. Louis, MO Fox Theatre 12/05 Chicago, IL Aire Crown Theatre 12/06 Milwaukee, WI The Riverside Theatre 12/12 Detroit, MI State Theatre 12/13 Toledo, OH Seagate Center 12/15 Toronto, ONT, Massey Hall 12/16 Youngstown, OH Stamburgh Auditorium 12/18 Cleveland, OH Music Hall 12/19 Cleveland, OH Music Hall 12/27 New York, NY Beacon Theatre 12/29 New York, NY Beacon Theatre 12/31 New York, NY Beacon Theatre 01/01 New York, NY Beacon Theatre 01/03 Ruth Eckland Hall, Clearwater, FL 01/05 Ruth Eckland Hall, Clearwater, FL 01/06 Hard Rock Live, Orlando, FL 01/08 Florida Theater, Jacksonville, FL 01/09 Gusman Center, Miami, FL Sue http://www.KasimInfo.com

18 May 2003, 16:57	#14
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	I understand that you might be annoyed that someone is stealling material from your site and using it as there own work but they are only tour dates that if I hadn't found them from your site then they would have been somewhere else and I would have just copied them but seen as there was a link to your page already posted here then I looked there first, so I apologise to you for not giving credit as to where I got them from. The thing I don't understand is that they are only tour dates and not pictures or your own personal material that is copyrighted. Like I say I could have just copied them and typed them onto the page, as I did with most of the others that took me ages to copy from various tour books - what difference would it be if someone clicked on the link that was already posted or if they saw the dates here?

18 May 2003, 17:36	#15
SueW Moderator Join Date: 14.04.2002 Posts: 1,345	I think you'll find that it is called Intellectual Copyright Theft. In the case of the NOTP dates you won't (or shouldn't) find the corporate dates anywhere else as I doubt that anyone else spent 2 months going to all the concerts and asking the crew and members of the orchestra about the corporate concerts (as they were not announced shows). I've already posted a message in the moderators section of the site asking about whether or not the MLUKFC are covered by what people post on this board or not. As you said in this case they were only tour dates but I don't want the MLUKFC getting into trouble if someone posted huge chunks of copyrighted material from other websites or books or things. Sue http://www.KasimInfo.com

18 May 2003, 18:53	#16
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	I must apologise that I used the NOTP tour dates from your site - I didn't know that you researched this tour as well as you did and my hat goes off to you for that. However these tour dates did take place, weather they were advertised or not, they still deserve to be added to the gigography, so anybody trying to put such a gigography together would include these dates if they found them on the net.