Born To Rock Show

meatloaf-unofficial · 26 Jul 2009, 17:17

I hope I'm able to post this but some other people here may be thinking on the same wave length as me in the fact that besides the Anything For Love video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQtagZnDzA - shot live in 1996 (I think it was berlin), and there also being footage of Rubber and Bat from the show aswell, could there not be a full show of this concert and if so, why was it not released?

I noticed on the video there and also on the photos in the Around The World CD, that there is a camera crane. Reason why I point this out is, Meat must of had some reason for filming it because don't cranes and camera equip + labour cost quite a bit, and why would you bring one in to record a few songs and not the whole show?

It just got me thinking. Like with the Rockoplast show, could this be released on DVD too at sometime in the future? It certainly would make excellent footage

Any others thought the same or am I on mi jack jones with this one?

Evil One · 26 Jul 2009, 17:20

We can hope.

**RadioMaster** · 26 Jul 2009, 18:17

As far as i know only thouse three songs were recorded. There was a tv show called "On tour with..." where the recordings aired. My understanding was that they didnt need more then three songs for their show, so didnt bother to record more. But Evil's right, we can only hope

Evil One · 26 Jul 2009, 18:20

Be nice if they left the cameras rolling for the whole show!

Jayd · 26 Jul 2009, 18:30

Was this not the tour that was filmed at The Beacon Theartre in New York, and broadcast on Channel 4 quite a few times ?

If so, this could easily be put onto DVD/Blu-ray, but who owns the rights, and if sales warrant a release, is a different matter.

meatloaf-unofficial · 26 Jul 2009, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Jayd

Was this not the tour that was filmed at The Beacon Theartre in New York, and broadcast on Channel 4 quite a few times ?

If so, this could easily be put onto DVD/Blu-ray, but who owns the rights, and if sales warrant a release, is a different matter.

No it isn't the same show. I have the Docu "On Tour With Meat" and I'm sure it says that its filmed in berlin - though it could be wrong...

"Live In The Neighbourhood" was the show your thinking of. Wonder if the whole show was recorded there aswell...

hmmmm, Meat if you read this, please shed some light

Sarge · 26 Jul 2009, 18:46

Interesting questions.

It's definitely something I'd love to see on DVD. The '96 shows are some of the best he's ever done. There were so many highlights, you can't list them all.

Meat and the band were just fantastic and the shows lasted about three (!) hours, as far as I remember. There were absolutely stunning performances of Original Sin and Left in the Dark, let alone Paradise which was extraordinarily funny and took about 30 minutes of the show. I also liked the idea of introducing songs by showing clips from old movies.

roomster · 26 Jul 2009, 19:01

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

I have the Docu "On Tour With Meat"

Is this item to be bought somewhere?

meatloaf-unofficial · 26 Jul 2009, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Interesting questions.

It's definitely something I'd love to see on DVD. The '96 shows are some of the best he's ever done. There were so many highlights, you can't list them all.

Meat and the band were just fantastic and the shows lasted about three (!) hours, as far as I remember. There were absolutely stunning performances of Original Sin and Left in the Dark, let alone Paradise which was extraordinarily funny and took about 30 minutes of the show. I also liked the idea of introducing songs by showing clips from old movies.

Was a car not used in Paradise or something as I can remember seeing somewhere? Being lowered down from the trussing. It looked like a fab concert - too bad I was FAR too young to see him back then lol

Sarge · 26 Jul 2009, 19:38

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

Was a car not used in Paradise or something as I can remember seeing somewhere?

Yes, it gave Patti the chance to quickly change costumes while Meat pretended to be in the car with her. A whip was involved, too.

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

It looked like a fab concert - too bad I was FAR too young to see him back then lol

That's one of the reasons why it would be great if there was a professional recording of the entire concert. I guess there are many young fans who'd like to see it.

*AndyK* · 26 Jul 2009, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Sarge

That's one of the reasons why it would be great if there was a professional recording of the entire concert. I guess there are many young fans who'd like to see it.

And a fair few older ones who'd like to see it again!

**RadioMaster** · 26 Jul 2009, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Be nice if they left the cameras rolling for the whole show!

theres a difference between a recording of the whole show and footage from cameras rolling. They'd have to find someone to mix audio and video first. And also the chance is quite high you wont have enough of that footage left to produce a whole concert dvd.

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And a fair few older ones who'd like to see it again!

now now, it's not our fault your memory went with the age mr king

evil nickname · 26 Jul 2009, 22:28

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

They'd have to find someone to mix audio and video first. And also the chance is quite high you wont have enough of that footage left to produce a whole concert dvd.

As to your first point: there are more than enough capable audio and video-editors in the world, so that should not be a problem.

As to the second: then you have an incomplete show. To which you add other existing material that doesn't fill a DVD on it's own, throw in some extra's, et voila, you got a 'from the archives' DVD.

**RadioMaster** · 26 Jul 2009, 23:28

I've worded this wrong. what i meant was finding someone who is actually familiar with this particular show (eg someone who was part of the recording process in 96), and that task is probably a little harder...

sure they could find someone...and sure they could dig up more unreleased material and put it together for an archive dvd, but I dont think any record company would spend the needed amount of money on it, as it's just too risky.

meatloaf-unofficial · 27 Jul 2009, 00:03

but I'm sure 100% it would sell and they'd deffo make a profit!!

**RadioMaster** · 27 Jul 2009, 00:14

It'd sell among the hardcore fans! You would get maybe 50 or even a hundred people to buy it. That's not nearly enough for them to take the risk of investing money in it.

Who actually owns the rights is another matter which should be considered.

Pudding · 27 Jul 2009, 00:19

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

It just got me thinking.

Sounds dangerous

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

but I'm sure 100% it would sell and they'd deffo make a profit!!

What evidence do you have to support that claim?

I'd like an official DVD and CD released from each of Meats tours but I can't see it ever happening. Meat should look into selling stuff like this via .net

Steve6 · 27 Jul 2009, 00:48

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I'd like an official DVD and CD released from each of Meats tours but I can't see it ever happening. Meat should look into selling stuff like this via .net

I wouldn't. Anytime Meat Loaf releases a new CD there should be new songs on them. Not the same songs like "Bat" "Afl" etc released over and over again. There's enough live versions out there already. I highly doubt his record company would release a DVD and CD for each tour anyway.

meatloaf-unofficial · 27 Jul 2009, 01:30

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Sounds dangerous

What evidence do you have to support that claim?

I'd like an official DVD and CD released from each of Meats tours but I can't see it ever happening. Meat should look into selling stuff like this via .net

OK... so I dont have any evidence but I'd like to believe it would

- but we can only live in hope....

CarylB · 27 Jul 2009, 01:48

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Originally Posted by Steve6

I wouldn't. Anytime Meat Loaf releases a new CD there should be new songs on them. Not the same songs like "Bat" "Afl" etc released over and over again. There's enough live versions out there already. I highly doubt his record company would release a DVD and CD for each tour anyway.

You might not, but clearly there are many who would like this.

I think that recordings from concerts would be great to have as permanent reminders of a wonderful night or nights, and the fact that certain "standards" would always be on them, because Meat would include them as they're what the vast majority of his audiences go to hear, would imo be fine .. they were part of that concert, and live would always be a bit different rather than another studio "edit".

I agree that a DVD from a tour is something that could be sold via the fanclub (although at present there isn't one!) .. but given the numbers I suspect the cost of producing one that was of a standard, both in terms of sound and vision, that Meat would want to release might outweigh the revenue generated. CDs from the soundboard recordings would I'm sure fly off the fanclub shelves, but again the numbers might well not justify the cost of producing them to the standard that Meat would want.

Caryl

Steve6 · 27 Jul 2009, 02:12

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Originally Posted by CarylB

I agree that a DVD from a tour is something that could be sold via the fanclub (although at present there isn't one!) .. but given the numbers I suspect the cost of producing one that was of a standard, both in terms of sound and vision, that Meat would want to release might outweigh the revenue generated. CDs from the soundboard recordings would I'm sure fly off the fanclub shelves, but again the numbers might well not justify the cost of producing them to the standard that Meat would want.

Caryl

Listen there's a lot of very smart people out there who bring their own little recorder to the shows and then make bootlegs of it. I know it's wrong but people do it. There's loads of bootlegs of Meat's live shows out there already as it is, and for this reason I don't think they'll ever issue CD's from soundboard recordings, and I'm sure if you know the right people and look in the right places you'll get DVD bootlegs of his shows aswell. I have none but I'm 100% sure you'll get them. It's these kind of things the music industry is trying to fight from happening.

Pudding · 27 Jul 2009, 03:06

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

OK... so I dont have any evidence but I'd like to believe it would

I'd like to believe that too, but at the end of the day it's all about money, can it sell and what's its selling points.

Live with MSO had a symphony orchestra, Storytellers was part of the VH1 series, 3 Bats live was the 3 Bats. Born To Rock has nothing unique that I can see that makes it sellable that'll warrant the cost of mass producing it.

CarylB · 27 Jul 2009, 03:27

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Listen there's a lot of very smart people out there who bring their own little recorder to the shows and then make bootlegs of it. I know it's wrong but people do it. There's loads of bootlegs of Meat's live shows out there already as it is, and for this reason I don't think they'll ever issue CD's from soundboard recordings, and I'm sure if you know the right people and look in the right places you'll get DVD bootlegs of his shows aswell. I have none but I'm 100% sure you'll get them. It's these kind of things the music industry is trying to fight from happening.

We seem to be straying away from the issue here. We all know there are bootlegs of shows .. they're illegal, they're wrong and I suspect of dubious quality .. I would never touch them.

But this thread isn't about bootlegs, it's about people expressing a view that they'd like to be able to buy legal DVDs or CDs of Meat's shows, and I said that much as I'd love this to be possible, I doubted there would be sufficient market for and margin in producing them to the standard Meat would wish routinely for every tour.

As Pud has pointed out, those which have been produced and released all had a unique selling point which made it feasible to mass produce .. and much as I'd love to be able to buy a DVD or CD of every tour via the fanclub, as I said, the numbers imo wouldn't warrant the production costs .. nothing to do with "competing" against inferior bootlegs, because I'm sure fans would prefer something official and of a good standard were it available; but the economics mitigate against it.

Caryl

Steve6 · 27 Jul 2009, 04:04

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Originally Posted by CarylB

As Pud has pointed out, those which have been produced and released all had a unique selling point which made it feasible to mass produce .. and much as I'd love to be able to buy a DVD or CD of every tour via the fanclub, as I said, the numbers imo wouldn't warrant the production costs .. nothing to do with "competing" against inferior bootlegs, because I'm sure fans would prefer something official and of a good standard were it available; but the economics mitigate against it.
Caryl

Meat Loaf has audio recordings of all his live shows. He probaly has thousands stashed away in his house I think. He doesn't have the final say on what gets released or when.. that's the record company's decision. If they think they'll make plenty of €€€€€ by doing what you mentioned above, then their in on it. But if it doesn't have a chance of making plenty of €€€€ then there's no hope I'm afraid.

Pudding · 27 Jul 2009, 04:17

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Originally Posted by Steve6

But if it doesn't have a chance of making plenty of €€€€ then there's no hope I'm afraid.

Correct

26 Jul 2009, 17:17	#1
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	Born To Rock Show I hope I'm able to post this but some other people here may be thinking on the same wave length as me in the fact that besides the Anything For Love video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQtagZnDzA - shot live in 1996 (I think it was berlin), and there also being footage of Rubber and Bat from the show aswell, could there not be a full show of this concert and if so, why was it not released? I noticed on the video there and also on the photos in the Around The World CD, that there is a camera crane. Reason why I point this out is, Meat must of had some reason for filming it because don't cranes and camera equip + labour cost quite a bit, and why would you bring one in to record a few songs and not the whole show? It just got me thinking. Like with the Rockoplast show, could this be released on DVD too at sometime in the future? It certainly would make excellent footage Any others thought the same or am I on mi jack jones with this one? Last edited by meatloaf-unofficial; 26 Jul 2009 at 17:18. Reason: spelling errors - tutut!! lol

26 Jul 2009, 17:20	#2
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	We can hope.

26 Jul 2009, 18:17	#3
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	As far as i know only thouse three songs were recorded. There was a tv show called "On tour with..." where the recordings aired. My understanding was that they didnt need more then three songs for their show, so didnt bother to record more. But Evil's right, we can only hope

26 Jul 2009, 18:20	#4
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Be nice if they left the cameras rolling for the whole show!

26 Jul 2009, 18:30	#5
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,312	Was this not the tour that was filmed at The Beacon Theartre in New York, and broadcast on Channel 4 quite a few times ? If so, this could easily be put onto DVD/Blu-ray, but who owns the rights, and if sales warrant a release, is a different matter.

26 Jul 2009, 18:46	#7
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	Interesting questions. It's definitely something I'd love to see on DVD. The '96 shows are some of the best he's ever done. There were so many highlights, you can't list them all. Meat and the band were just fantastic and the shows lasted about three (!) hours, as far as I remember. There were absolutely stunning performances of Original Sin and Left in the Dark, let alone Paradise which was extraordinarily funny and took about 30 minutes of the show. I also liked the idea of introducing songs by showing clips from old movies.

26 Jul 2009, 23:28	#14
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	I've worded this wrong. what i meant was finding someone who is actually familiar with this particular show (eg someone who was part of the recording process in 96), and that task is probably a little harder... sure they could find someone...and sure they could dig up more unreleased material and put it together for an archive dvd, but I dont think any record company would spend the needed amount of money on it, as it's just too risky.

27 Jul 2009, 00:03	#15
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	but I'm sure 100% it would sell and they'd deffo make a profit!!

27 Jul 2009, 00:14	#16
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	It'd sell among the hardcore fans! You would get maybe 50 or even a hundred people to buy it. That's not nearly enough for them to take the risk of investing money in it. Who actually owns the rights is another matter which should be considered.