Dead pixels on 3 Bats Live (Blu-ray)?

[roomster]

Have anyone noticed that there are some dead pixels on quite a lot of the footage on the 3 Bats Live Blu-ray version?

At first I was afraid that it was my LCD-TV which have dead pixels, but it must be from the production equipment used to film the concert. This because the dead pixels are on different places on my screen, depending on which camera used to film that exact scene.

[dukesofhazard]

I've noticed that too & also thought it was my TV - got used to it though. Rather it be the disc than my TV to be honest!

[Jayd]

MMMMMmmmm, that a funny one, I have never known a actual disc to carry dead pixels, since it's just coded information. The film used to film the actual concert may have dirt, and it's not been cleaned up when transferred to Blu-ray. I too have this on Blu, and to be honest, I have never really noticed it.

[Evil One]

It wouldn't be the first time Meat has been let down by the quality of other peoples work, and it probably won't be the last.

[roomster]

Originally Posted by Jayd

MMMMMmmmm, that a funny one, I have never known a actual disc to carry dead pixels, since it's just coded information. The film used to film the actual concert may have dirt, and it's not been cleaned up when transferred to Blu-ray. I too have this on Blu, and to be honest, I have never really noticed it.

The dead pixels must be from some of the cameras who shot the concert, and I dont think they used film. Its more common to shoot digital now, and digital cameras may have dead pixels, though it's not often to see it on professional shots.

The dead pixels are many places in the concert, but I have made some examples with time and location so you can find them yourself.









I am not complaining about this by the way, its just a little thing I have noticed, being a big fan watching the concerts time after time

[Evil One]

I've only watched my Three Bats twice so I'll take your word for it. I have no desire to watch it again to check!

[Jayd]

Originally Posted by roomster

The dead pixels must be from some of the cameras who shot the concert, and I dont think they used film. Its more common to shoot digital now, and digital cameras may have dead pixels, though it's not often to see it on professional shots.

The dead pixels are many places in the concert, but I have made some examples with time and location so you can find them yourself.


I am not complaining about this by the way, its just a little thing I have noticed, being a big fan watching the concerts time after time

I think this has come from the transfer process, not so much the cameras used ? A lens records the image, pixels are used to show an image. The examples you have shown, the cameras are from various angles, so that means more than one camera is used, and has the same fault, which I can't really see. High Definition transfers are very difficult to produce, and take a great deal of time. Three Bats, will not receive the same treatment in the transfer process compared to say a Hollywood movie, so little things like this you may see on more lower budget transfers.

[roomster]

Originally Posted by Jayd

I think this has come from the transfer process, not so much the cameras used? A lens records the image, pixels are used to show an image.

Both photo and video cameras have lenses, but its not the lenses that actually capture the film or pictures. A traditional film-based camera uses film to save/capture pictures or video, and a modern digital system uses a imagesensor which consists of pixels to save/capture.

Both cameras for video and photography can have one or more pixels that doesnt function as intended, and then we talk about dead pixels.

Originally Posted by Jayd

The examples you have shown, the cameras are from various angles, so that means more than one camera is used, and has the same fault, which I can't really see.

All of the examples I have shown are from different cameras. I know this because the dead pixels are on different places. Every time one of these cameras is used on the concert, the dead pixels are there, and in the same location. Beacause of this your transfer-process-theory is not very likely.

Originally Posted by Jayd

High Definition transfers are very difficult to produce, and take a great deal of time. Three Bats, will not receive the same treatment in the transfer process compared to say a Hollywood movie, so little things like this you may see on more lower budget transfers.

I have checked with some audio-video forums and they say that it is not unusual to have dead pixels on digital video/photography equipment, but its not common to see it on professional footage, like this is.

[roomster]

Originally Posted by Jayd

That is true, an image sensor or a CCD, does capture the image from the lens, before it's converted to information, for tape or flash drive, but a CCD can have quite a few dead pixels on it, and internal processing on the unit can remedy this, as it can be quite common for a CCD to have failed pixels. On the Three Bats blu-ray, there just seem to be too many cameras displaying the same fault, for it to be camera fault. I maybe wrong, I think to see if it's a transfer process fault, the best way is to compare the DVD and Blu-Ray transfers. Both filmed with he same equipment, but both put through different transfer process. If it's a camera fault, then we should see the same on the DVD transfer also.

I have both the DVD and Blu-ray version, and the dead pixels are on the DVD-version too. They are sometimes harder to see because of the lower DVD-resolution, but they sure are there.

I have by the way sent an email to the man who produced the Blu-ray for Universal Music Group International, and are hoping for a response from him. To settle this once and for all

[Wario]

Originally Posted by roomster

I have both the DVD and Blu-ray version, and the dead pixels are on the DVD-version too. They are sometimes harder to see because of the lower DVD-resolution, but they sure are there.

I have by the way sent an email to the man who produced the Blu-ray for Universal Music Group International, and are hoping for a response from him. To settle this once and for all

should've asked him why BFG wasn't corrected either

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

should've asked him why BFG wasn't corrected either

That mistake should never have been put out the first time.

[Jayd]

Originally Posted by roomster

I have both the DVD and Blu-ray version, and the dead pixels are on the DVD-version too. They are sometimes harder to see because of the lower DVD-resolution, but they sure are there.

I have by the way sent an email to the man who produced the Blu-ray for Universal Music Group International, and are hoping for a response from him. To settle this once and for all

Well if it's on the DVD too, then they must have used a load of cheap ass cameras to film this concert. Budget must have been running low

[Evil One]

Cheap ass cameras filming at a crummy venue in the middle of nowhere. I don't get the logic behind it at all.

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by Evil One

I don't get the logic behind it at all.

to maketh more cash me thinketh

[Evil One]

But why a crummy venue in the middle of nowhere? Why not leave it a couple of weeks and record at the MEN or NEC instead?

[duke knooby]

venue looked a decent size to me, and well filled!! time pressures for the in search of paradise hd documentary/film thingy perhaps meaning an early show was required for filming.. dunno

[AndyK]

Possibly the venue was more condusive to filming a concert at, in as much as it might have had the space to get the camera equipment in without having to have seats removed from the auditorium. Seats which, certainly in the UK, had had tickets sold to the public the previous October; I'd guess it's more than likely that the tickets were sold before the decision to film a concert for DVD release was made.

[Jayd]

Cruddy venue theory, still don't make up for POSSIBLE cheap ass cameras.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by Evil One

That mistake should never have been put out the first time.

Given Meat's occasional night where he has vocal issues or illnesses it would have been wiser to film more than one show but if cheap was the issue that wasn't on the table. I just got the new Foreigner CD that has a dvd concert included and they filmed so many shows you can see the band members clothing change back and forth during the same song. At one point the lead singer has on a different shirt during every line of the lyrics it seems. He must be the master of quick costume changes or they spliced together at least 3 shows.

[Evil One]

Just redoing a couple of the vocals would have been better than nothing.