What Bad for Good could have been

Mr. Happy · 09 Mar 2010, 11:26

This really is a pointless post...but I found these on YouTube and just felt that I had to share them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcWqOe5iBl0 - Meat Loaf, on the ORIGINAL bad for good song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N73QlcodOy0 - Meat Loaf, version of Dance in my Pants

While I've loved ALL the covers that have been done of the Bad for Good album songs (particularly the ones on Bat 2), the ones off Bat 2 lacked the Steinman feel to them. These videos are a good example of what the Bad for Good album could have been - terrible time for Meat to have lost his voice. Particularly the versions of Stark Raving Love and Left in the Dark were amazing on the album - sadly, I didn't particularly take to Meats version of Left in the Dark and am still waiting for a Stark Raving Love cover

Basically, I'm just depressed that we missed out on what was potentially an amazing album. Steinmans voice simply didnt cut it for the songs.

Evil One · 09 Mar 2010, 12:58

You'll wait forever for Meat to do Stark Raving Love. He's said that he hates the song.

carole · 09 Mar 2010, 15:46

Welcome to the Forum, nice to have another Aussie among us.

Carole

besty · 09 Mar 2010, 18:23

I absolutely adore this live version of BFG, and you're right Jimmys voice just didn't do the song justice on the original and the pacing was all wrong on the Bat 3 version, plus I hated the sound of the piano on the Bat 3 version, it sounded like a cheapy upright thing that we had at primary school.

DIMP is just a silly song and to be honest it doesn't sound like Meat is enjoying singing it very much in this live version IMO.

Evil One · 09 Mar 2010, 19:10

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Originally Posted by besty

I hated the sound of the piano on the Bat 3 version, it sounded like a cheapy upright thing that we had at primary school.

Yes. I'm not the only one who thinks this!

DazLoaf01 · 09 Mar 2010, 19:44

Yeah, I would of loved the Bat III version to have been like this. A missed opportunity.

Wario · 09 Mar 2010, 20:05

glad you liked the videos i posted. the whole concert is great.

AndrewG · 09 Mar 2010, 20:42

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Originally Posted by besty

I absolutely adore this live version of BFG, and you're right Jimmys voice just didn't do the song justice on the original and the pacing was all wrong on the Bat 3 version, plus I hated the sound of the piano on the Bat 3 version, it sounded like a cheapy upright thing that we had at primary school.

DIMP is just a silly song and to be honest it doesn't sound like Meat is enjoying singing it very much in this live version IMO.

Indeed there was not enough piano on Bat 3 and it did not sound full enough. Certainly on BFG that was wrong plus the fact there were not enough guitar solos on there and why was the God Speed part missing. I loved that bit on the original. If they were running out of time and that was the reason they should have cut off one of the other songs or so. The Brian May intro was awesome though as were Meat's vocals. Nothing wrong there imo.

A Slice Of English · 09 Mar 2010, 20:51

Well I'm going to chip in my five cents worth and say that I LOVED the Bat 3 version and it was right up there in my top 3 on that particular album.

I dispute the "lack of Steinman feel" about Bat 2 as well. that album was and will always remain a masterclass in sheer musical perfection. That album holds very very special meaning to me and I could listen to it daily without ever getting tired of it. For me, that album was like the Sun and the Moon coming into perfect alignment and as much as I have enjoyed Meat's other albums over the years, Bat 2 remains my all time favourite.

daveake · 09 Mar 2010, 20:59

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Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

I dispute the "lack of Steinman feel" about Bat 2 as well.

I think he means Bat 3.

Hope so anyway.

A Slice Of English · 09 Mar 2010, 21:02

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Originally Posted by Fenechboy

While I've loved ALL the covers that have been done of the Bad for Good album songs (particularly the ones on Bat 2), the ones off Bat 2 lacked the Steinman feel to them. These videos are a good example of what the Bad for Good album could have been - terrible time for Meat to have lost his voice. Particularly the versions of Stark Raving Love and Left in the Dark were amazing on the album - sadly, I didn't particularly take to Meats version of Left in the Dark and am still waiting for a Stark Raving Love cover

Basically, I'm just depressed that we missed out on what was potentially an amazing album. Steinmans voice simply didnt cut it for the songs.

Nop, think he's quite clear in his opening post he means Bat 2 :)

WhenItComes2LovingU · 09 Mar 2010, 21:07

Let's try this again:

While I've loved ALL the covers that have been done of the Bad for Good album songs (particularly the ones on Bat 2), the ones off Bat 2 lacked the Steinman feel to them.

He means the Steinman covers that weren't on Bat 2. It's just worded badly.

A Slice Of English · 09 Mar 2010, 21:11

Ok NOW it make some sense, lol

However, I still disagree with him!!

PanicLord · 09 Mar 2010, 22:13

I think it was the general lack of someone trying to kill a grand piano that makes Bat 3 feel not quite properly Batty (plus of course some of the non-Steinman songs). Saying that, as a Meat Loaf album (forgetting the Bat title) it is still an awesome rock record.

Anyway, great youtubes - thanks!

Jayd · 09 Mar 2010, 22:46

I thought myself Bat 3's version was fine, one of the better songs. Left In The Dark as well was a lot better thn the BFG version.

lorenzoduke · 10 Mar 2010, 00:01

I've got to disagree with you on Meat's version of Left In The Dark, it's one of my favourite things he ever did. The production on Welcome To The Neighborhood is crisp, dark and perfect for the most part, and I think its a very underrated album.

Any of you guys see Meat do Left In The Dark in Sheffield on the Neighborhood tour? That's still my favourite performance of a single song by anyone that I've ever seen live.

MeatLoafFanRay · 10 Mar 2010, 00:06

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Originally Posted by Jayd

I thought myself Bat 3's version was fine, one of the better songs. Left In The Dark as well was a lot better thn the BFG version.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Personally I prefer the Bat 3 version of Bad For Good to this live verison. Don't get me wrong I think this live version is really good but I think I prefer way Meat performs Bad for Good live now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-sty-IkaA4

Evil One · 10 Mar 2010, 00:10

The best Bad For Good is the Steinman version. It's a shame it doesn't have Meat's vocals!

PanicLord · 10 Mar 2010, 00:18

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Originally Posted by Jayd

I thought myself Bat 3's version was fine, one of the better songs. Left In The Dark as well was a lot better thn the BFG version.

I agree! 2 great recordings of those songs. Just would have liked a teeny bit more pianocide on BFG. But when I first heard Meat sing "for the good of one hell of a NIGHT" it sent shivers down my spine. Awesome.

CarylB · 10 Mar 2010, 00:20

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Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Well I'm going to chip in my five cents worth and say that I LOVED the Bat 3 version and it was right up there in my top 3 on that particular album.

Me too :) For me it's the voice .. the Bat 3 version is wonderful, and live on the tour it blew me away each time. To me the album is great, and no less a Bat album than any other.

@ Lorenzoduke who said:

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I've got to disagree with you on Meat's version of Left In The Dark, it's one of my favourite things he ever did. The production on Welcome To The Neighborhood is crisp, dark and perfect for the most part, and I think its a very underrated album.

Any of you guys see Meat do Left In The Dark in Sheffield on the Neighborhood tour? That's still my favourite performance of a single song by anyone that I've ever seen live.

Yes to both :) A very under-rated album, immaculate in so many ways. And whilst I'd find it hard to say any song is my favourite performed live, because there have been so many memorable performances in so many concerts, that rendition of Left In The Dark was very, very special. I'm not sure I appreciated it properly on the album until the live performance .. which is often the best gift one takes away from a concert :)

Caryl

besty · 10 Mar 2010, 00:21

JayD, I agree with you, the BFG on Bat 3 was fine, maybe I came across as a bit critical in my comment, BUT the live version posted in this thread is absolutely breathtaking in parts and I think the OP was saying that it would have been amazing to hear BFG done when Meat was at his peak, and I agree with that.

On he other side of the coin, I think there are certain songs which will always sound better live than in the studio and I think this proves that BFG is one of those songs. A perfect example of another one is "Frying pan", I still think it sounds tooo slow on Bat 2, although the production is fantastic, I prefer the pacing of the live version (and actually the version on "Bad for good" in terms of pacing works better, although everything else is better on the BAT 2 version IMO).

As for left in the dark, it's a toss up for me, I really like the spoken intro on Bad for Good and both Jim and Meat have the intensity in their versions, but quite simply Meat is a much better singer than Jim so Meat's version edges it. For what it's worth I think the production of the Cecilia Wennersten version beats them both and also it's clearly a female vocal and I don't like Streissand!!!

This is the beauty of loving music for me, the fact that we all like different versions of the same song and long may it continue.

Evil One · 10 Mar 2010, 00:43

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Originally Posted by CarylB

the Bat 3 version is wonderful, and live on the tour it blew me away each time.Caryl

At the show I went to on the Bat 3 tour it was amazing. However a good many people on here will be basing their opinion on the 3 Bats live DVD which contained a less than amazing BFG.

Having said that, The Lost Boys & Golden Girls arrangement of BFG was much better than the 3 Bats arrangement and the Bat 3 studio version, which I believe was the initial point of this post.

As for the comment above there are many songs that Meat does much better live such as Lemon, Frying Pan, Midnight, Modern Girl, most of Bat 1... There are also songs that are never as good live as on the album: FCOL, AFL, RARD, Bad Attitude... It's just a case of swings and roundabouts.

batcity · 10 Mar 2010, 00:45

Bad for good meat s version sucked on bat 3, if he's put it out on Bat 2 it would have been really good.... I love when he did BFG at birmingham 88 (brings back memories of in my opnion the best concert he ever did)...

I hate Meats version of Left In The Dark!!! it's not got a patch on Steinmans Version,

I love Jims Bad for good cd, its one of my favourites... I think the stuff he's done with steinman is brilliant.. the newer stuff... it hasnt got the magic!!!

I listened to Los angeloser, good song, catchy, annoying in parts..

Evil One · 10 Mar 2010, 00:48

I may be wrong, but I think Meat didn't want it on Bat 2 as it was too similar to Bat Out Of Hell. Years later, when looking for Steinman material to use on Bat 3 he changed his mind...

Wario · 10 Mar 2010, 03:42

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I may be wrong, but I think Meat didn't want it on Bat 2 as it was too similar to Bat Out Of Hell. Years later, when looking for Steinman material to use on Bat 3 he changed his mind...

If they never got int oan arguement in teh first place imagine the world:

Meat's THEORETICAL discograhy if Jimmy and meat stayed together:

BOOH (1977)
BFG (1981)
Dead Ringer (1983)
Original Sin (1985)
BOOH 2 (1987) - ten years apart
Live at Wembley (1989)
WTTN (1993)
BOOH 3 (1997) - twenty years apart
Live with the MSO (2002) - yeah that would be 4 years before CHSIB and would be ALL Jim/Meat stuff. On top of that 2002 was the last great year for Meat's "Three hour show" capability. thats three hours of MSO. i think noone would argue at that. its already a freaking A+++ release.
CHSIB (2006)
HCTB (2010)

i notice I have NCTB, CHSIB, BA, and WTTN which werent jim involved. But he still could've done independent work.

Only downer; we would never have gotten teh Bad Attitude album, which (in my mind) has the best songs (all but the last two are fantastic) then any album of the 80's. Modern Girl would be an exceptional loss

09 Mar 2010, 11:26	#1
Mr. Happy Guest Join Date: 13.02.2010 Location: Posts: 736	What Bad for Good could have been This really is a pointless post...but I found these on YouTube and just felt that I had to share them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcWqOe5iBl0 - Meat Loaf, on the ORIGINAL bad for good song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N73QlcodOy0 - Meat Loaf, version of Dance in my Pants While I've loved ALL the covers that have been done of the Bad for Good album songs (particularly the ones on Bat 2), the ones off Bat 2 lacked the Steinman feel to them. These videos are a good example of what the Bad for Good album could have been - terrible time for Meat to have lost his voice. Particularly the versions of Stark Raving Love and Left in the Dark were amazing on the album - sadly, I didn't particularly take to Meats version of Left in the Dark and am still waiting for a Stark Raving Love cover Basically, I'm just depressed that we missed out on what was potentially an amazing album. Steinmans voice simply didnt cut it for the songs. Last edited by Mr. Happy; 09 Mar 2010 at 11:47.

09 Mar 2010, 12:58	#2
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	You'll wait forever for Meat to do Stark Raving Love. He's said that he hates the song.

09 Mar 2010, 15:46	#3
carole Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2007 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 2,286	Welcome to the Forum, nice to have another Aussie among us. Carole

09 Mar 2010, 18:23	#4
besty Greek Loaf - Bat Out Of Hellas! Join Date: 17.02.2006 Posts: 57	I absolutely adore this live version of BFG, and you're right Jimmys voice just didn't do the song justice on the original and the pacing was all wrong on the Bat 3 version, plus I hated the sound of the piano on the Bat 3 version, it sounded like a cheapy upright thing that we had at primary school. DIMP is just a silly song and to be honest it doesn't sound like Meat is enjoying singing it very much in this live version IMO.

09 Mar 2010, 19:44	#6
DazLoaf01 Super Loafer Join Date: 28.06.2003 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 455	Yeah, I would of loved the Bat III version to have been like this. A missed opportunity.

09 Mar 2010, 20:05	#7
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	glad you liked the videos i posted. the whole concert is great.

09 Mar 2010, 20:51	#9
A Slice Of English Guest Join Date: 10.11.2003 Posts: 1,258	Well I'm going to chip in my five cents worth and say that I LOVED the Bat 3 version and it was right up there in my top 3 on that particular album. I dispute the "lack of Steinman feel" about Bat 2 as well. that album was and will always remain a masterclass in sheer musical perfection. That album holds very very special meaning to me and I could listen to it daily without ever getting tired of it. For me, that album was like the Sun and the Moon coming into perfect alignment and as much as I have enjoyed Meat's other albums over the years, Bat 2 remains my all time favourite.

09 Mar 2010, 21:07	#12
WhenItComes2LovingU Banned Join Date: 16.01.2006 Posts: 303	Let's try this again: While I've loved ALL the covers that have been done of the Bad for Good album songs (particularly the ones on Bat 2), the ones off Bat 2 lacked the Steinman feel to them. He means the Steinman covers that weren't on Bat 2. It's just worded badly.

09 Mar 2010, 21:11	#13
A Slice Of English Guest Join Date: 10.11.2003 Posts: 1,258	Ok NOW it make some sense, lol However, I still disagree with him!!

09 Mar 2010, 22:13	#14
PanicLord Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: At The End Of The Line Posts: 2,651	I think it was the general lack of someone trying to kill a grand piano that makes Bat 3 feel not quite properly Batty (plus of course some of the non-Steinman songs). Saying that, as a Meat Loaf album (forgetting the Bat title) it is still an awesome rock record. Anyway, great youtubes - thanks!

09 Mar 2010, 22:46	#15
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,312	I thought myself Bat 3's version was fine, one of the better songs. Left In The Dark as well was a lot better thn the BFG version.

10 Mar 2010, 00:01	#16
lorenzoduke Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.07.2006 Posts: 1,269	I've got to disagree with you on Meat's version of Left In The Dark, it's one of my favourite things he ever did. The production on Welcome To The Neighborhood is crisp, dark and perfect for the most part, and I think its a very underrated album. Any of you guys see Meat do Left In The Dark in Sheffield on the Neighborhood tour? That's still my favourite performance of a single song by anyone that I've ever seen live.

10 Mar 2010, 00:10	#18
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	The best Bad For Good is the Steinman version. It's a shame it doesn't have Meat's vocals!

10 Mar 2010, 00:21	#21
besty Greek Loaf - Bat Out Of Hellas! Join Date: 17.02.2006 Posts: 57	JayD, I agree with you, the BFG on Bat 3 was fine, maybe I came across as a bit critical in my comment, BUT the live version posted in this thread is absolutely breathtaking in parts and I think the OP was saying that it would have been amazing to hear BFG done when Meat was at his peak, and I agree with that. On he other side of the coin, I think there are certain songs which will always sound better live than in the studio and I think this proves that BFG is one of those songs. A perfect example of another one is "Frying pan", I still think it sounds tooo slow on Bat 2, although the production is fantastic, I prefer the pacing of the live version (and actually the version on "Bad for good" in terms of pacing works better, although everything else is better on the BAT 2 version IMO). As for left in the dark, it's a toss up for me, I really like the spoken intro on Bad for Good and both Jim and Meat have the intensity in their versions, but quite simply Meat is a much better singer than Jim so Meat's version edges it. For what it's worth I think the production of the Cecilia Wennersten version beats them both and also it's clearly a female vocal and I don't like Streissand!!! This is the beauty of loving music for me, the fact that we all like different versions of the same song and long may it continue.

10 Mar 2010, 00:45	#23
batcity Guest Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 751	Bad for good meat s version sucked on bat 3, if he's put it out on Bat 2 it would have been really good.... I love when he did BFG at birmingham 88 (brings back memories of in my opnion the best concert he ever did)... I hate Meats version of Left In The Dark!!! it's not got a patch on Steinmans Version, I love Jims Bad for good cd, its one of my favourites... I think the stuff he's done with steinman is brilliant.. the newer stuff... it hasnt got the magic!!! I listened to Los angeloser, good song, catchy, annoying in parts..

10 Mar 2010, 00:48	#24
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	I may be wrong, but I think Meat didn't want it on Bat 2 as it was too similar to Bat Out Of Hell. Years later, when looking for Steinman material to use on Bat 3 he changed his mind...