Bat Out Of Hell II: Back Into Hell

Wario · 15 May 2010, 02:39

with all this talk about how Hang Cool Teddy Bear is the "best since BOOH", I was wondering what people thought about BOOHII?

I mean Bat 2 doesnt get discussed here as a whole very often and I was wondering what everyone thought of this masterpiece.

i wanna see who here actually HCTB is better then this work of art.

I personally believe its the perfect album. No weak songs. No songs I skip. Its just the definition of what a Meat Loaf album is supposed to be. In my mind it exceeds the original in all honesty.

Evil One · 15 May 2010, 02:47

Bat 2 is an exceptional album and as far as I'm concerned it is just as good as Bat 1. I'm not overly keen on the excessive Bova-ness, I don't like the techno instrumental in GGGTH and I think Lemon is a bit slow and drawn out. Those minor niggles aside, this is one of the greatest albums of all time.

Although the songs from Bat 1 are amazing most of them sound better live. For the majority of the Bat 2 songs, as good as Meat is live, he's never managed to better the album tracks.

I do have one question though: What exactly is Ms Loud singing at the end of Anything For Love? It's supposed to be 'I know the territory, I've been around' but it sounds more like, 'I know the terrors are wrapped around.'

Sarge · 15 May 2010, 03:01

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

masterpiece [...] work of art

That's what it is! One of the greatest albums ever! I especially love the arrangements. Except maybe for the dominant background choires that can be a little annoying in the long run and Objects could probably be half as long if the chorus wasn't repeated a thousand times - but hey, it's Steinman. He's just a crazy genius.

I love little details like that piano jingle on Frying Pan. When the album came out, I didn't know anybody who didn't own and love it.

Cherry.Loaf · 15 May 2010, 03:15

Not the worst but not in my top 3; I only really found myself liking it after hearing the live version on MSO dvd

Wario · 15 May 2010, 04:07

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Originally Posted by Cherry.Loaf

Not the worst but not in my top 3; I only really found myself liking it after hearing the live version on MSO dvd

you talking about Frying Pan? or the album as a whole?

RSG · 15 May 2010, 04:43

Up there with Bat..Hell. Steinman took the reins as producer and no doubt some of the best music he's ever recorded. Some old songs got revisted, e.g Out Of The Frying Pan. And I'm glad they did. Some great vocal deliveries by Meat, even though Jim edited alot of it piece by piece. I agree with Evil One about the Bova synthesizer bits. I wished that Lost Boys was like HeavenCanWait. A piano and vocal would have sufficed. But at the end of the day, its a spectacular album and deserved the awards it received. Having Mr. Bay to direct the music videos was a good choice too!

**RadioMaster** · 15 May 2010, 11:29

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

I personally believe its the perfect album. No weak songs. No songs I skip. Its just the definition of what a Meat Loaf album is supposed to be. In my mind it exceeds the original in all honesty.

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Originally Posted by Evil One

this is one of the greatest albums of all time.

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Originally Posted by Sarge

One of the greatest albums ever!

The. Best.

TheDoode · 15 May 2010, 11:57

I have to call it, for me Bat II is the definitive Meat Loaf album. Personally, for me, it blows Bat I out of the water. If there's one truly classic album I own, it's Bat II. I thought that when it came out in 93, and I think the same thing now. It just blows me away.

Doode.

jcmoorehead · 15 May 2010, 13:13

Gonna have to echo what's already been said, it's probably my favourite Meat Loaf album and one of if not the best album I own.

GTB · 15 May 2010, 15:46

Bat 2 is my favourite Meat album and I consider it the best album of all time personally. AFL was THE song that introduced me to Meat Loaf, and I remember getting chills listening to it. Bat 2 has everything; epic ballads, hardcore rockers and bizzare spoken word peices. Love it! Steinman is a genious and Meat personifies the character of each song beautifully.

Evil One · 15 May 2010, 16:01

I notice the 5 people who prefer Hang Cool Teddy Bear haven't revealed themselves in the thread so far.

Although all the songs on Bat 2 are amazing, I would have prefered Bad For Good or Original Sin instead of GGGTH.

MeatGrl1 · 15 May 2010, 16:02

Bat Out Of Hell II: Back Into Hell is probably the most played of all my albums put together.. Don't know why

it just is

!!

TheDoode · 15 May 2010, 16:27

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I notice the 5 people who prefer Hang Cool Teddy Bear haven't revealed themselves in the thread so far.

Although all the songs on Bat 2 are amazing, I would have prefered Bad For Good or Original Sin instead of GGGTH.

Got to say that surprises man, I think Good Girls is right up there - always been one of my favourites.

PanicLord · 15 May 2010, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I notice the 5 people who prefer Hang Cool Teddy Bear haven't revealed themselves in the thread so far.

Although all the songs on Bat 2 are amazing, I would have prefered Bad For Good or Original Sin instead of GGGTH.

I am one of the 5. Don't get me wrong, Bat 2 is a fabulous album with some classic tracks.

But a few things make me prefer HCTB:

1. I always felt that if Bat2 was all original music it would have been even better. And yes, I know there are some "rereleases" on HCTB, but Bat 2 to me sounds like an album of 2 halves - amazingly lavish and lovingly prepared new stuff, and then other stuff picked and done more quickly to get the album out. Eg ELTEE and OOTFP are (to me) very similar songs, which I always thought meant OOTFP was picked to speed the release up. Again, I love both tracks, but I think this approach made the album overall slightly less cohesive. HCTB has a concept that flows through all the songs and manages to make it a brilliantly cohesive album, despite, or perhaps because of, all the different styles of music on it.

2. On Bat 2, there are several tracks I tend to skip (and always have done). RARD, LBAGG, GGGTH, IJWQ. Certainly not bad songs, but they just don't grip me. Don't skip any on HCTB.

3. On Bat 2, Meat's voice often seems to get lost in the mix on a few of the songs. On HCTB (like on Bat 1) he is 100% up front the vast majority of the time, just where I like him.

4. Meat's voice on HCTB. To me, it seems to have so much more emotion and power. Perhaps again this is more noticable as he is right up front, but his vocals just blow me away.

5. HCTB is a fresh new sound - a perfect blend of modern and retro rock. To me, Bat 2 was just a touch too nostalgic, a little too safe, and didn't really move the sound on much. HCTB is balls out daring, and I love it even more for that.

Don't get me wrong - I absolutely love Bat 2, it's an astonishingly good record. It's just that HCTB for me edges it for the reasons I list above.

TheDoode · 15 May 2010, 19:11

Can't agree with you there, man; I think Meat's vocals are the centre of the record. :)

GTB · 15 May 2010, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I notice the 5 people who prefer Hang Cool Teddy Bear haven't revealed themselves in the thread so far.

Although all the songs on Bat 2 are amazing, I would have prefered Bad For Good or Original Sin instead of GGGTH.

I really like Good Girls Go To Heaven, but I much prefer the live versions because I'm not a fan of the electro-pop instrumental on the album. Always makes the song sound a bit dated to me.

meat_loaf2008 · 15 May 2010, 19:47

Why shuold I have to reveal my vote?

anyways, I think bat II is great, but HCTB, meat sounds so alive and fresh. There are no skippable songs for me.

Julie in the rv mirror · 15 May 2010, 22:00

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

Got to say that surprises man, I think Good Girls is right up there - always been one of my favourites.

Mine too.

I just love the lyrics- I really relate to them, in some fashion.

PanicLord · 15 May 2010, 22:53

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

Can't agree with you there, man; I think Meat's vocals are the centre of the record. :)

Eh?

TheDoode · 15 May 2010, 23:03

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Originally Posted by PanicLord

3. On Bat 2, Meat's voice often seems to get lost in the mix on a few of the songs.

See above =p

PanicLord · 16 May 2010, 00:24

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

See above =p

Oh, ok

Must sleep now.

TheDoode · 16 May 2010, 00:30

No worries, man

duke knooby · 16 May 2010, 02:08

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Originally Posted by GTB

Bat 2 is my favourite Meat album . AFL was THE song that introduced me to Meat Loaf, and I remember getting chills listening to it. Bat 2 has everything; epic ballads, hardcore rockers and bizzare spoken word peices. Love it! Steinman is a genious and Meat personifies the character of each song beautifully.

totally... only that album STILL blows me away... im still finding guitar parts i never knew were there all those years ago...

JennaG · 16 May 2010, 10:22

I'd say that Bat Out Of Hell II was a definate favourite of mine. Don't get me wrong I love HCTB but it's not one I listen to as much as Bat Out Of Hell and Bat Out Of Hell II. I've loved the songs on both Bat albums since I began to like Meat Loaf's music.

I wouldn't say there was a single song on the album I don't listen to but my favourites are 'Everything Louder Than Everything Else' and 'Objects In The Rear View Mirror'.

youngJB · 16 May 2010, 19:05

Bat II is my third favorite Meat album (behind Bat I and Dead Ringer), but it has my all time favorite Steinman song on it, Objects, so it's obviously a masterpiece.

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15 May 2010, 02:39	#1
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	Bat Out Of Hell II: Back Into Hell with all this talk about how Hang Cool Teddy Bear is the "best since BOOH", I was wondering what people thought about BOOHII? I mean Bat 2 doesnt get discussed here as a whole very often and I was wondering what everyone thought of this masterpiece. i wanna see who here actually HCTB is better then this work of art. I personally believe its the perfect album. No weak songs. No songs I skip. Its just the definition of what a Meat Loaf album is supposed to be. In my mind it exceeds the original in all honesty.

15 May 2010, 02:47	#2
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Bat 2 is an exceptional album and as far as I'm concerned it is just as good as Bat 1. I'm not overly keen on the excessive Bova-ness, I don't like the techno instrumental in GGGTH and I think Lemon is a bit slow and drawn out. Those minor niggles aside, this is one of the greatest albums of all time. Although the songs from Bat 1 are amazing most of them sound better live. For the majority of the Bat 2 songs, as good as Meat is live, he's never managed to better the album tracks. I do have one question though: What exactly is Ms Loud singing at the end of Anything For Love? It's supposed to be 'I know the territory, I've been around' but it sounds more like, 'I know the terrors are wrapped around.'

15 May 2010, 03:15	#4
Cherry.Loaf Los Angeloser Join Date: 02.04.2010 Location: Bristol Posts: 1,072	Not the worst but not in my top 3; I only really found myself liking it after hearing the live version on MSO dvd

15 May 2010, 04:43	#6
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	Up there with Bat..Hell. Steinman took the reins as producer and no doubt some of the best music he's ever recorded. Some old songs got revisted, e.g Out Of The Frying Pan. And I'm glad they did. Some great vocal deliveries by Meat, even though Jim edited alot of it piece by piece. I agree with Evil One about the Bova synthesizer bits. I wished that Lost Boys was like HeavenCanWait. A piano and vocal would have sufficed. But at the end of the day, its a spectacular album and deserved the awards it received. Having Mr. Bay to direct the music videos was a good choice too!

15 May 2010, 11:57	#8
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	I have to call it, for me Bat II is the definitive Meat Loaf album. Personally, for me, it blows Bat I out of the water. If there's one truly classic album I own, it's Bat II. I thought that when it came out in 93, and I think the same thing now. It just blows me away. Doode.

15 May 2010, 13:13	#9
jcmoorehead Super Loafer Join Date: 09.04.2003 Location: Edinburgh, formerly Teesside Posts: 671	Gonna have to echo what's already been said, it's probably my favourite Meat Loaf album and one of if not the best album I own.

15 May 2010, 15:46	#10
GTB Senior Loafer Join Date: 05.03.2006 Posts: 129	Bat 2 is my favourite Meat album and I consider it the best album of all time personally. AFL was THE song that introduced me to Meat Loaf, and I remember getting chills listening to it. Bat 2 has everything; epic ballads, hardcore rockers and bizzare spoken word peices. Love it! Steinman is a genious and Meat personifies the character of each song beautifully.

15 May 2010, 16:01	#11
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	I notice the 5 people who prefer Hang Cool Teddy Bear haven't revealed themselves in the thread so far. Although all the songs on Bat 2 are amazing, I would have prefered Bad For Good or Original Sin instead of GGGTH.

15 May 2010, 16:02	#12
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	*Bat Out Of Hell II: Back Into Hell* is probably the most played of all my albums put together.. Don't know why it just is !!

15 May 2010, 19:11	#15
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	Can't agree with you there, man; I think Meat's vocals are the centre of the record. :)

15 May 2010, 19:47	#17
meat_loaf2008 Banned Join Date: 10.04.2007 Posts: 462	Why shuold I have to reveal my vote? anyways, I think bat II is great, but HCTB, meat sounds so alive and fresh. There are no skippable songs for me.

16 May 2010, 00:30	#22
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	No worries, man

16 May 2010, 10:22	#24
JennaG Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.02.2010 Location: Posts: 1,934	I'd say that Bat Out Of Hell II was a definate favourite of mine. Don't get me wrong I love HCTB but it's not one I listen to as much as Bat Out Of Hell and Bat Out Of Hell II. I've loved the songs on both Bat albums since I began to like Meat Loaf's music. I wouldn't say there was a single song on the album I don't listen to but my favourites are 'Everything Louder Than Everything Else' and 'Objects In The Rear View Mirror'.

16 May 2010, 19:05	#25
youngJB Senior Loafer Join Date: 05.12.2009 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 116	Bat II is my third favorite Meat album (behind Bat I and Dead Ringer), but it has my all time favorite Steinman song on it, Objects, so it's obviously a masterpiece.