Fan campaign discussion

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by CarylB

You may have the album, but what we're asking is for people to stand up for Meat against the label who fail to vigorously promote singles to gather momentum for the album, and who fail to vigorously promote him[/url]

No offense here, but saying all this is a fantastic success, what is the record company going to learn?

That they can half ass the job and still come out with an unexpected hit?

All this so they can sit around patting themselves on the back for a job well done?
Because you can guarentee that the fans who do this won't get any credit for it.

I do not download singles.
I don't know how to. (may sound strange, but i've never had any interest in downloading singles).
I know how to go to HMV and buy singles.
If they want my money they are going to have to put something in the shop that I can buy.
They are not going to put something in the shop if I download a Meat Loaf song I already have to prove a point that I don't believe in.

Originally Posted by CarylB

When people come to meatchart.net they will be able to get all our promotional materials, plus sign up their commitment to buying the track on 14June, in return getting a signed picture of Meat as a thank you.

Is this going to be an original hand signed autograph or will this be a printed one?
Because if you offer one thing and give another, you are going to have a lot of pissed off Meat Loaf fans knocking at your door.

Also note that if all this promotion is done for Meat, then it will be viewed by the layman to be in conjunction with Meat, and if people expect a Meat autograph, then it is Meat who it will reflect on if that is not what is delivered.

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

No offense here, but saying all this is a fantastic success, what is the record company going to learn?

That they can half ass the job and still come out with an unexpected hit?

All this so they can sit around patting themselves on the back for a job well done?
Because you can guarentee that the fans who do this won't get any credit for it.

I do not download singles.
I don't know how to. (may sound strange, but i've never had any interest in downloading singles).
I know how to go to HMV and buy singles.
If they want my money they are going to have to put something in the shop that I can buy.
They are not going to put something in the shop if I download a Meat Loaf song I already have to prove a point that I don't believe in.







Is this going to be an original hand signed autograph or will this be a printed one?
Because if you offer one thing and give another, you are going to have a lot of pissed off Meat Loaf fans knocking at your door.

Also note that if all this promotion is done for Meat, then it will be viewed by the layman to be in conjunction with Meat, and if people expect a Meat autograph, then it is Meat who it will reflect on if that is not what is delivered.

Wow, can we be a little more negative!

I think what they've done is great! A few fans got together and made some cool videos, opened a website and are doing a lot for a musician they love. Can we be positive and support their efforts? We have others who are now offering suggestions, but did you volunteer to be a part of the effort when they asked for your help? I read the thread asking for our help and I couldn't make the time commitment so I didn't volunteer. I'm not now going to skewer them for what they've done. I think what they've done is great and if you didn't volunteer your services, then let them do their thing! All they're asking you to do is join a group on Facebook, promote the campaign and download the single. If you don't want to support Meat then why are you here? Also, June 14th is right around the corner and they're probably scrambling to get things done on time and don't want to revamp everything. Can we be a little more positive and supportive? It seems like every thread is full of negativity and now we have the chance to do something positive. And finally, it's not about teaching the record company a lesson. This is about making Meat and HCTB a success regardless of our feelings on record company politics. Let's stop picking at their efforts, stomping on what they've done and give them a "Nice Job", "Damn Well Done"!!!!!!! Support the effort...that's what fans do!

[A Slice Of English]

Putting on the FB page that you need 2000 people per day to sign up is also a bit of a mistake IMO, because frankly I think you'll be lucky to get 2000 people in total to sign up to it.

And there's being positive and being constructive. Mouse was being constructive IMO.

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Putting on the FB page that you need 2000 people per day to sign up is also a bit of a mistake IMO, because frankly I think you'll be lucky to get 2000 people in total to sign up to it.

And there's being positive and being constructive. Mouse was being constructive IMO.

IMO, constructive criticism highlights the positive and negative while trying to affect change. IMO, that post was not trying to affect change.

[A Slice Of English]

It's hardly negative though, either. It's a realistic point of view. Too many opinions get written off around here as being negative when they aren't, though because they're not towing the party line, they are considered to be so.

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

It's hardly negative though, either. It's a realistic point of view. Too many opinions get written off around here as being negative when they aren't, though because they're not towing the party line, they are considered to be so.

Ok, so how about starting off the non-negative post with "Hey you guys are doing a great job and I appreciate your efforts! I just wanted to make a couple of observations..."

Or how about sending the comments on a PM so the thread doesn't, IMO, get negative.

[A Slice Of English]

Because its a message board and people are entitled to mention their own points of view publically, without having to constantly praise others before doing so. Praise for the sake of praise is meaningless.

[Rage Against]

"Praise for the sake of praise is meaningless."

Not to the person receiving the praise. And what happened to that old saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say..."

[A Slice Of English]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then. My personal opinion is that the post was not negative, but constructive in that it pointed out something that may not have been thought about which may have a detrimental effect on what people are trying to acheive here.

Again, let's agree to disagree and let the thread move on.

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then. My personal opinion is that the post was not negative, but constructive in that it pointed out something that may not have been thought about which may have a detrimental effect on what people are trying to acheive here.

Again, let's agree to disagree and let the thread move on.

Good call, we'll agree to disagree. Good debate.

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by Rage Against

Wow, can we be a little more negative!

if you want, but i dont get the whole american postivity bullshit, i prefer to stick to facts... (and opinions). my opinion.. they are doing a good job! i'm interested to see how the project goes!

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

It's hardly negative though, either. It's a realistic point of view. Too many opinions get written off around here as being negative when they aren't, though because they're not towing the party line, they are considered to be so.

ABSOLUTELY

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Because its a message board and people are entitled to mention their own points of view publically, without having to constantly praise others before doing so. Praise for the sake of praise is meaningless.

ABSOLUTELY

Originally Posted by Rage Against

"Praise for the sake of praise is meaningless."

Not to the person receiving the praise. And what happened to that old saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say..."

if youre just saying it to be positive, then it is worthless... if people only gave praise when they mean it and it was justified, things might progress quicker.. if you dont have anything nice to say... thats the stupidist most politically correct comment ever... luckily it isnt always like that in the real world!

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then. My personal opinion is that the post was not negative, but constructive in that it pointed out something that may not have been thought about which may have a detrimental effect on what people are trying to acheive here.

Again, let's agree to disagree and let the thread move on.

we made a new website to talk about the project!!, join up if you want to give advice? you are more than welcome.

[nikox1]

Hello everybody!! yes it is a thread. and you all have freedom of speach.
and you can all have your say? but if you go to the top of this thread it states its looking for people to sign up and help? now you may have all seen the website? the facebook campaign? the posters? so unless you have signed up? thats all you know about the campaign? you do not know whats going on behind the scenes? you do not know how much hard work is going into this?
you do not know the future plans? if you have a question or need to know something? just give me a pm? and i have no problem with people debating?
feel free, but how can people debate something that they know nothing about? the thread was opened up to encourage people to sign up? sign up and help the campaign, what is there to debate? if you want to help then sign up? if you dont? i cant see how its worth coming to this thread for?
im not being rude or anything, but it makes no sense?
thank you,,

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by duke knooby

if you want, but i dont get the whole american postivity bullshit, i prefer to stick to facts... (and opinions). my opinion.. they are doing a good job! i'm interested to see how the project goes!



ABSOLUTELY



ABSOLUTELY



if youre just saying it to be positive, then it is worthless... if people only gave praise when they mean it and it was justified, things might progress quicker.. if you dont have anything nice to say... thats the stupidist most politically correct comment ever... luckily it isnt always like that in the real world!

I'm extremely shocked you disagree with me.

As far as the American positivity bullshit, I think it's interesting you call it bullshit and then are positive about their efforts. I don't want us all to sit around a campfire, roast marshmallows and sing songs of eternal hope, but let's try to hand out some praise to these people for the efforts they're putting in. I don't know about you, but I know people who are constantly negative. Nothing positive ever passes their lips and those are the people that make life more taxing. And thanks for bringing nationality into it...

And I do live in the real world, hold on let me check, yup real world here. The real world would be a whole lot better if we could find something to say that isn't a jab or rip all the time. All I'm saying is, let's applaud them for their efforts instead of tearing them down (whether that's the purpose of the comment or not).

[Rage Against]

A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.

-- Winston Churchill

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by Rage Against

I'm extremely shocked you disagree with me.


always good to see sarcasm


As far as the American positivity bullshit, I think it's interesting you call it bullshit and then are positive about their efforts.

i think its interesting you confuse my thoughts on the project with my thoughts on american positivity bullshit

I don't want us all to sit around a campfire, roast marshmallows and sing songs of eternal hope, but let's try to hand out some praise to these people for the efforts they're putting in. I don't know about you, but I know people who are constantly negative. Nothing positive ever passes their lips and those are the people that make life more taxing. And thanks for bringing nationality into it...

yes, i find negative people a challenge to overcome, which makes life both better and more rewarding for everyone

yeah it was a bit unfair referencing americans on positivity... but im surprised you might take offence to the suggestion


And I do live in the real world, hold on let me check, yup real world here. The real world would be a whole lot better if we could find something to say that isn't a jab or rip all the time. All I'm saying is, let's applaud them for their efforts instead of tearing them down (whether that's the purpose of the comment or not).

pretty sure i did applaud there efforts and stated i was interested in the outcome.. i didnt tear them down!

and we're getting more off topic

[Dave]

I have been asked by nikox1 to remind everyone to stay on topic on this thread.

[R.]

This is a split from the original fan campaign thread. Please use this one for the "off-topic" discussion.

Thank you.

[batoutofhell]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I do not download singles.
I don't know how to. (may sound strange, but i've never had any interest in downloading singles).
I know how to go to HMV and buy singles.
If they want my money they are going to have to put something in the shop that I can buy.
They are not going to put something in the shop if I download a Meat Loaf song I already have to prove a point that I don't believe in.

Okay, speaking as a new poster, I probably shouldn't be getting in on this one. That said, nothing like diving in at the deep end of the pool! So... while it does dip, in my opinion, a little toward negative wording, the Mouse guy's got a valid point. What about the Meat fans who don't download singles and don't know how to? How can they help?

Frame it that way and you can more easily address the question, don't you agree?

[PanicLord]

Firstly can I just say I hope this campaign is a massive success, and I just love all the energy and passion and enthusiasm that is going into it. What a pity the record company doesn't have anyone as interested in music as you guys!

Can I just ask what the rationale was behind choosing Like A Rose? I know there was a vote and all, but I do have a slight concern that by choosing an explicit song, you might be limiting how successful the campaign could be - for example, Radio 2 is never going to play an explicit song.

As I say, I am not trying to criticise anything anyone is doing, as I think the idea and the execution to date is brilliant, just trying to get the reasoning behind the song choice clear in my head.

[CarylB]

Thanks :) We went with the popular vote. But radio can't play any of them (apart from LA) as singles haven't been released. We're working with "what is". Like A Rose has a broad appeal, and we want to appeal to the widest audience ie not Meat fans alone, but Jack Black fans, and all fans of good solid rock'n'roll to stand up and say "This is the kind of music we want, not bland pop" Hope this explains.

Caryl

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by CarylB

But radio can't play any of them (apart from LA) as singles haven't been released.

If it makes it into the top 10 then it will get played at least once on a Sunday.

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by Evil One

If it makes it into the top 10 then it will get played at least once on a Sunday.

good point,

[Evil One]

Twice actually. Once on the Radio 1 chart show and once on whatever the Pepsi Chart is called these days.

The iTunes Big Top 40 Show apparently.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by CarylB

This is the kind of music we want, not bland pop

My deja-vu sense is tingling...

Doode.