Meat's OIFC posting

[LP]

Has anyone seen this?

http://boardserver.superstats.com/re...=478&f=3&u=vee

Meat has made some interesting posts recently and it still surprises me what a great, honest and modest guy he is.

He really doesn’t need to justify anything to me and I'm sure lots of you feel the same but I do feel privileged that he takes the time to respond to us (and to kick the ass of someone on the OIFC board!).

He's a true gent and we're very lucky as fans to get this privilege, as long as moderators do their job (which I think they do well), I think we'll get many more posts.

Just my thoughts, let me know what you think.

Looking forward to Berlin and Birmingham!!

Luke

[evil nickname]

Good to get another confirmation that I'm 'one of those bad guys from the Steinman site'... always causing trouble everywhere. Yeah, that's me...

[heat]

Originally Posted by LP

He really doesn’t need to justify anything to me and I'm sure lots of you feel the same but I do feel privileged that he takes the time to respond to us
He's a true gent and we're very lucky as fans to get this privilege

I completely agree with you, Luke, that Meat has no reason at all to justify himself to us fans - But he chooses to come on here and share his thoughts with us, and i think that has to be applauded. How many other artists would take the time to talk to his fans and share thier feelings with them as Meat does with us here???

I for one feel very lucky

[LP]

Meat is in a genre of his own, much like his music, style and performance and I think that is reflected in his approach to things. It is more of a community than I ever excepted from an internet forum and it's good to have him along every now and then.

As for the evil nickname post. I'm really not up on any history around here so forgive me if I don’t really understand what's going on. Meat must get the motivation to say that from somewhere, maybe he is a little misguided over who is saying what??

Luke

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by heat

I completely agree with you, Luke, that Meat has no reason at all to justify himself to us fans - But he chooses to come on here and share his thoughts with us, and i think that has to be applauded. How many other artists would take the time to talk to his fans and share thier feelings with them as Meat does with us here???

I for one feel very lucky

Heat
I absolutely agree with both you and Luke .... I feel very lucky too :)
Vicki

[mariella]

Originally Posted by evil nickname

Good to get another confirmation that I'm 'one of those bad guys from the Steinman site'... always causing trouble everywhere. Yeah, that's me...

NO, Evil!...Would never think that about you. Not about many people from that site either! Not about many...

Luke, thank you for posting this (don't have time to surf the net all the time).
Agree, Meat doesn't have to explain, but if he Wants to, I also feel lucky to know what's on his mind!...His opinion about things.

Luke, I forgot you were also going to Berlin...Have a wonderful time there!

xxx

Mariella

[LP]

Thanks

I read Kasim saying that the US fans demand to be impressed and that the Germans just go crazy, Brits are somewhere in between - typical. I'm very excited to see for myself!!

Luke

[evil nickname]

Originally Posted by mariella

NO, Evil!...Would never think that about you. Not about many people from that site either! Not about many...

Thank you for that. :)

I find it really hard to believe that Meat does actually believe that enough to post it everywhere... and it kind of pisses me off, because I (and I assume a lot of others) know it is not true....

[original sin]

Originally Posted by evil nickname

Good to get another confirmation that I'm 'one of those bad guys from the Steinman site'... always causing trouble everywhere. Yeah, that's me...

For what it's worth evil nickname - I have generally found you to be balanced (even if we don't agree )
Unfortunately there are some people who use various boards to stir things
and the sad thing is they sometimes aren't even fans of the artist of that site, they are just cruising around on their own little agenda.
Thats how I have seen things on the various sites over the last few months anyhow

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by evil nickname

Good to get another confirmation that I'm 'one of those bad guys from the Steinman site'... always causing trouble everywhere. Yeah, that's me...

Sorry, William, but I didn't see your name mentioned in Meat's post to the OIFC.

[evil nickname]

Originally Posted by tink

Sorry, William, but I didn't see your name mentioned in Meat's post to the OIFC.

Well, neither did I, but we both know what I meant, now do we?

[little_dancer]

Well, neither did I, but we both know what I meant, now do we?

Yes, you seem to think that Meat can't refer to a small group of people on that site, without referring to the whole site. That's just silly.



I, quite frankly, have also read the odd posting on the Jim site that was inacurate and inflammatory. There is the odd posting here which is inacurate and inflammatory, the difference is that the site admin. or other fans tend to correct those types of posts in this forum. That does not happen with the anti-meat posts on Jim's site (have you not noticed that in the small percentage of cases where it occurs?)

The only way that Meat's message should offend you is if you are the one starting rumors, since that is obviously not the case, why do you insist on being offended?

"Yes, I saw him in Vegas. His voice was horrible. The song list was too heavy on crap songs. He put on a great show. Patty and Kasim were excellent. He slurred all his words and he walked across the stage like Mikey Boy, looked and sounded very old. Still he put on a great show if you can get past him mangling Jim's songs... "

Smeghead (posted on Jim Steinman site)

Just looked at the MLUKFC board. Meat posted about the footy show. Said he was really tired and jetlagged and was afraid he might not have sung very well. Said he was afraid he might have been flat and asked his fans to give him an honest report. Nobody there told him anything except that he deserved a big rest and should get some sleep and that even tired he's better than most singers awake.

Its laughable, meat himself is pissed off with these fans who keep telling him hes wonderful, i am sure he would respect them more if they were honest! rather than lying and saying you were great meat when in all truthfullness he wasnt!

(posted by John on the Jim Steinman site)

and how, per se, is John aware that "Meat himself is pissed off" with us? And did it occur to John that we can't review a show if we didn't see it? I didn't see the show, so I told Meat to get some well deserved rest- I can't answer the question if I didn't see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANDin response to the above post by John:

Good thing you didn't post a link to that then... :)

look familiar Evil? who agreed with him? you did.


Oh yes, why would Meat have problems with stuff like that eh?(sarcasm) I personally do not find it hard to believe that Meat would find the Steinman site innacurate and negative.

I've bitten my tongue about this for too long.

Oh, and to prove what Meat said re: people from that site not wanting him to do bat 3:

: Well, if I was to do BOOH 3 then I would certainly know which artist to pick.
: No lousy singers (and laughable on stage performers) like Meat Loaf, ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~, Peat Loaf, Scarpia or Jim Steinman himself (puke !).

: Hm, I could do it myself (Well, ofcourse not a pathetic cheesy album like BOOH 3), but I think I have a better one.

: Ofcourse the only artist who can do a good album nowadays is Michael Crawford.

Pim Stoneman(also YOU GUESSED IT from the Jim Steinman website)

I find it really hard to believe that Meat does actually believe that enough to post it everywhere... and it kind of pisses me off, because I (and I assume a lot of others) know it is not true....

YOU have no right to be pissed off as 'it' (as I have PROVEN) IS TRUE!

trouble makers from that stienman site. They hate the fact Jim and I are doing Bat III, They go everywhere and causse trouble and some of you seem to fall for it, in fact the person who posted from that message could be from that site ,their here all the time saying nasty little things.

so which part isn't true Evil? I seem to have established that:
1) there are trouble-makers from that site who do not want Meat to doBat 3, (one guy on the site has even suggested that he himself should do Bat3.)
2) they do go to other sites (John was quoting from this board) and
3) they say nasty things...

I could add lots of other quotes from that board if I wanted to, there is no shortage of negativity and rumour posting, that entire forum consists of people swearing at each other and alternating between people who HATE Meat, and people trying to defend him. I haven't read anything about JIm on there in a while- that whole forum is a waste of time it's [...] this and [...] that, what an absolute waste of time.

/rant

[mariella]

Hi Leah,

Only found the JS-site, until recently. Someone started posting links to it, right here...Yes, different way of communicating, that's for sure...

I CAN see why this IS 'personal' for Meat...he IS the one being attacked here. So, I can also see why he would respond in the way he does...
Has every right to do so, imo. The internet IS a wide open place, and I do not 'just forget' a post by someone, when I visit 'the next place' also!

But I can also understand Evil, he is trying (I think) to let us here know This is a minority of posters...still, the posts where made, but SO many posts are made here also(No, NOT about JS!, I know 'we don't DO that!). But HOW would it look if someone 'took a random post' and just posted it at the JS-forum.

Bottem line here for me is, I think we are 'nieces and nephews' at both sites and should try and respect our differences/AND things we DO have in common!
I even found something positive there...was never really interested in JS at all, until I visited one of the JS-posters-sites! Now that's 'growing/a good thing' for me!

I try to look at things from both sides, usually works best for me.

LOVE!

Mariella

[evil nickname]

Hi Leah,

Well, I could start by saying that all you quoted was posted on another board, and that you were not the intended public, so you really should not post it here. But that would be so not me to do that... so I won't.

So it seems you did some research. Let's start with that:

Originally Posted by little_dancer

Smeghead (posted on Jim Steinman site)

What's your point? Smeg has an opinion, and in his opinion that show in Vegas was not so good. Nothing wrong with that. His opinion is just as valid as yours or mine.

On John's post I'm not even commenting, as he seems to me like someone who just recently turned up, only to start trouble. I'll be back on that later.

Originally Posted by little_dancer

ANDin response to the above post by Smeg:

look familiar Evil? who agreed with him? you did.

First, I've stated the real authors to the quotes, since you've got that wrong. Get this straight: I've said to Smeg that it was good that he did not post a link to the relevant post here. I did not agree with John's post. If you'd look here you'd see that there are two separate replies to Smeg's post, and none to John's. Get your facts straight before pointing fingers.
And you wanna know why I posted that? That was a reference to another post further down the board. We'll get there.
You say people don't correct \\\"inacurate and inflammatory\\\" statements? Well, you do need to do some better research sister:

Originally Posted by Evil Nickname

According to Meat himself he has trouble with his vocal chords, and was he jetlagged out of hell for that show...

See the sources:
Throat out of hell
Jetlag out of hell

Link

In reply to that, some called 'observer' (who hasn't posted there since) replied:

Originally Posted by observer

JD posts at the top of this board:
Posts appearing on other forums and mailing lists are the intellectual property
of others. DO NOT repost them here or link to them.

JD is the webmistress of Dream Pollution, by the way. But based on this statement, I strongly believe that that 'observer' person is just a troll coming from over here. I got quite pissed at that person, mainly because of an other post he/she made... well, go read it yourself.

Originally Posted by little_dancer

Oh, and to prove what Meat said re: people from that site not wanting him to do bat 3:

Pim Stoneman(also YOU GUESSED IT from the Jim Steinman website)

I guess you really did only read the odd posts, 'cause you missed this one. Yes, even for a joke, it's a pretty bad one, but it's still a joke.

Originally Posted by little_dancer

YOU have no right to be pissed off as 'it' (as I have PROVEN) IS TRUE!
/rant

You have proven that you did not do enough reseach to deny me my right of being pissed off. Or that you don't really grasp the concept of a threaded message board.

Originally Posted by little_dancer

so which part isn't true Evil? I seem to have established that:
1) there are trouble-makers from that site who do not want Bat 3,
2) they do go to other sites (John was quoting from this board) and
3) they say nasty things...

You've establish to
1. neglect a post in which Pim Stoneman turned out to be a 'inside joke' by someone I trust with whole my heart to be an intensly good guy. If you think he's a trouble maker that doesn't want Bat III to happen, that's your opinion. Not a fact. Who are the other trouble makers? People with a valid (be it negative) opinion?
2. neglect that John did not quote from this board (at least in the post you quoted), but Smeghead and I did.
3. find some nasty things. I'll give you that. But mostly, and then I'm not reffering to obviously flaming posts (which I'll be getting to shortly), they're opinions.

You've also established to
1) start a little trouble down here by not getting your facts right;
2) go to other sites (you've quoted from them);
3) say nasty things (at least, I find accusing people of things they did not do quite nasty)
So for all I know, Meat is refering to you too, since you fit the profile like a glove. Oh, that's nasty, isn't it?

Originally Posted by little_dancer

I could add lots of other quotes from that board if I wanted to, there is no shortage of negativity and rumour posting, that entire forum consists of people swearing at each other and alternating between people who HATE Meat, and people trying to defend him. I haven't read anything about JIm on there in a while- that whole forum is a waste of time it's [...] this and [...] that, what an absolute waste of time.

With another edit you make a perfect bridge for the thing I'd be getting back at...

People who start trouble and flaming posts over at the Steinman board. I've been visiting and posting on board for a couple of years now, and I can point at two different periods when it went seriously downhill.
The first was after DOTV flunked in the US and Mike Crawford got the blame, and his loyal fans went up there and defend him.
The second time was after 'that board' was said to be 'full of people who hate Meat', that it was 'OK to hate Meat there', full of 'nasty people' who 'go everywhere to start trouble', etc, etc. I strongly suspect that people around here started to lurk around there more frequently... So why do you think I was not suprised to find it the first place our good old friend Dean T. turned up after he was banned here? Was it because the good reputation it has around here, or is it because it was/is OK to hate Meat there? And there are more people like that (observer, sister of observer, John, bRIAN BONDB, a guy called Peter who's claiming that Bat 3 will be produced by Mokran and Kasim, and other trolls like that) turning up the last couple of weeks. I wouldn't be suprised if some of them are regulars over here...

So you find it a waste of time. Fine. I'm geting really fed up with the bitching back and forth between the boards,
and this being the low point of it all, actually.
Go ahead and think I come here just to start trouble. If I really am like that, why would I bother to adress this in a civilized way, instead of just yelling F*CK OFF?
All my prior statements in this thread are related to one thing: getting your facts right. That's what I care about. That's why I said I find hard to believe that Meat really thinks all people at JimSteinman.com hate hime, and go everywhere to start trouble. 'Cause guess what? He's posted something in a topic called "It Don't Mean a Thing (If It Ain't Got That Jim)" about getting your facts right. I agreed with him then (in a PM), and I still do agree with him now.
And if Meat is so concerned about getting the facts right, I might assume he'd be getting his right too, don't you think? Just a little surprised that he posts things for a fact when in fact they are just opinions.

I've read that topic back to find the right post, and I came across a statement I made then, which I still stand by today:

Originally Posted by evil nickname

My whole point in this matter is just this: just like Meat doesn't like to be "constantly be put down by everyone over there" (which isn't true: fact), I don't like being put down here for something that I didn't do in the first place.

I'll leave it at that for now... hope it wasn't too long :)

William


(and just as I was about to post this: I saw Mariella's post, and I agree with it)

[little_dancer]

Quote:
That's why I said I find hard to believe that Meat really thinks all people at JimSteinman.com hate hime

He didn't say that- he said 'trouble makers' from that site, not everybody on that site.

Quote:
Go ahead and think I come here just to start trouble

I never said that, IN FACT, I said just the opposite, that Meat was talking about 'trouble makers' from that site, not everybody, and CERTAINLY not you, I have NEVER acused you of coming here to make trouble, and never would.

I agree with mareielles post as well, and i am only trying to point out that:

1) Meat's statement was correct
and
2) Meat was not talking about ALL people from the JS site.


Firstly- Why exactly am I, a Meat Loaf and JIm Steinman fan, not the intended audience of a Jim Steinman web board?
I will try to respond to your convoluted posting the best I can, in a respectfull way (something you neglected to do in your post to me)

The entire point, Evil, is that you disagreed with Meat's statement:

trouble makers from that stienman site. They hate the fact Jim and I are doing Bat III, They go everywhere and causse trouble and some of you seem to fall for it, in fact the person who posted from that message could be from that site ,their here all the time saying nasty little things.

You kept whining that this was not true- please refer back to it as you read through the following:

1)Smeg's opinion - yes, however he also claims that good shows that Meat does are good because of 'messing around with the soundboard'--but Smeg's opinion can fall under:

saying nasty little things

2)I did notice that you had responded in Meat's defense, by adding links to a post that Meat wrote in which he stated that it was for this board only. So you posted it on the Steinman board...against his wishes. I didn't mention that in my original post because I did not want it to be a personal attack, only an examination of Meat's statement, and it's accuracy.

3) If the Pim Stoneman post was a joke, what about the post in which somebody suggested that 'HE HIMSELF' should do Bat3 instead of Meat Loaf? and the posts in which it was suggested that Jim sing on Bat3? What Meat said is:

They hate the fact Jim and I are doing Bat III

- this is still correct i.e a poster singing bat, or Jim singing bat-not Jim and Meat doing Bat- He's still correct here, YOU were the one who felt that statement was unjust.

4)Research? No, I'm just sick of you repeating ad nauseum that you feel what Meat said about about the people on the Jim Steinman board, is not true- any intelligent person can see that it is, finding exception to the author, or to a particular quote does not change that. I really don't want to spend all my time over there reading fick this, and fick that...so I apologize to 'John' for quoting him instead of 'Smeg'

5)What Meat said IS that people over at the JS site did not want HIM to do Bat 3, I realize that not wanting him to do Bat 3 is an opinion- Meat, nor I , never said otherwise. YOU are the one who CLAIMED that this was not true- (that Meat was not correct in his statement re: the steinman board)If it is people's opinion that Meat should not do Bat3- then he was correct in saying:

They hate the fact Jim and I are doing Bat III

what the heck point are you trying to make there with it being an opinion? you are agreeing with Meat's statement? or are you still saying that it was unfair?

Or that you don't really grasp the concept of a threaded message board.

-

Oh, so we're insulting each other now. Sorry, I don't sink that low, Evil- because I see it differently than you does not mean that I don't know how to work a message board. I will leave it at that, you'll notice that I don't make comments like that to you, only address the fact that you say Meat's statement is incorrect.

6)Regardless of WHO quoted from here, obviously people from the JS board DO come here, or it wouldn't be referred.

And YES< the nasty stuff is an opinion- but YOU said that Meat was wrong in what he said re: the Jim Steinman board, and it being an 'opinion' does not make his statement any less true..it's still nasty- so he was not wrong about the board.

1) start a little trouble down here by not getting your facts right;

You said that Meat was being unfair it what he said about the Jim Steinman board, I was demonstrating that he was not being unfair. Starting trouble? NO, just sick of you going on about how Meat is being unfair to the JS board- I let it slip quite a few times, but you don't want to give it up.

2) go to other sites (you've quoted from them);

Sorry- am I not allowed to go to other boards? Meat SAID that the Jim Steinman people go all over the place. YOU said Meat's statement wasn't true- I am showing you that it is. There is nothing wrong with going to other boards- but YOU denied that it was happening by challenging Meat's statement, that is the whole point of my original post.

3) say nasty things (at least, I find accusing people of things they did not do quite nasty)

I accused who of what, exactly? I have only stated that Meat was correct in his statetement re: JS board. I have not accused anybody of anything.

So for all I know, Meat is refering to you too, since you fit the profile like a glove. Oh, that's nasty, isn't it?

Can't follow your logic here- Once again Evil, Meat was referring to "trouble makers' from the JIm Steinman board who are spreading'rumours' about him- I don't spread rumours about him, so he wasn't referring to me (please see intro of previous post) He wasn't talking about EVERYBODY at the JS site, YOU are the one who decided he was. I don't think he was talking about you either, as I stated in my original post. He was referring to the 'trouble makers'

Once again, not insulting you, only establishing that you are incorrect in saying that Meat's statement was untrue- you have yet to prove that anything in this statement is untrue:

trouble makers from that stienman site. They hate the fact Jim and I are doing Bat III, They go everywhere and causse trouble and some of you seem to fall for it, in fact the person who posted from that message could be from that site ,their here all the time saying nasty little things.

So, once again Evil, which part is untrue?

[little_dancer]

Ok, I know I just posted but here's the thing.
1) I don't believe that Evil nickname, or myself, were being referred to in Meat's original statement.

and

2) I do agree with Meat's original statement. I honestly believe he was referring to the trouble makers, and not to everyone at Jim Steinman.com.

Having said that: I don't want to fight about this, so, Evil- if you want to respond to my previous posts you have every right to and are welcome to do so. I, however, will probably not respond because this is getting out of hand. I want to repeat that I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE A TROUBLE MAKER and I DO NOT THINK YOU HAVE EVER SPREAD UNJUST RUMOURS> My point was that Meat was referring to a select few who do, and I am not sure how you got the impression that I was including you in that select few, but that was not my intention. I opened my original post stating that he was NOT referring to everyone at JS> So I will let Evil have the last word in our discussion, because he deserves it- and has the right to defend himself, but I'm through with this topic, ok?

Not because I dislike Evil, I think he is generally very bright and well informed, but because I dislike fighting.

that's it from me guys.

[CarylB]

I agree that William is not, and would not be one of those referred to. He strikes me as someone who appreciates both Meat and Jim .. probably equally .. and often posts in support of Meat on the Rockman board.

But it's also true to say there are a few there who are generally negative, and quite often seem keen to have a swipe at Meat, whereas I have never seen that replicated here about Jim. True some prefer Meat's versions of songs to Jim, but this is done without belittling Jim .. I think I've only seen one post where someone is gratuitously rude about Jim's voice .. perhaps two .. but that's it.

It's sadly the way things are .. but I can empathise with Meat feeling that there are Steinfans who have it in for him, as he does get quite a mauling there at times. However, it's also true to say that we don't have too much negativity from them posted here. It tends to come from other quarters in my experience.

[Oriel]

"He didn't say that- he said 'trouble makers' from that site, not everybody on that site. " - Leah.

"oh by the way it was 48 degrees on stage that would be cold to most people except the ones who come from the Steinman web-site" - Fireball.

Does that sound "selective" to you Leah, or a generalisation of the people from the Steinman site?

Sinecure.

[evil nickname]

Just PM'd Leah about this, cause to me it seems we interpreted Meat's post different. I took it as a general joust at the whole board, and she did not.

Also, I said I never meant to insult her regarding grasping the concept of a threaded messageboard. Just a sarcastic remark which I could have handled better.

So I'm through with this as well...

W.