151 best rock lyricists of all time!

RSG · 20 Mar 2004, 00:12

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/page...lyricists.html

ALL I can say is thank goodness for 151!

This is the supposed list for the top 151 rock lyricists of all time. Frankly I find these top whatever things rather annoying but I found this on another board, and thought it was quite relating too. I wish people would just get the name Meat Loaf spelled right.

Fallen Angel · 20 Mar 2004, 16:53

Nice 2 see the names Steven Tyler(Aerosmith) and Steve Harris(Iron Maiden) in there too.Thats my opinion anyway.

RSG · 20 Mar 2004, 17:14

i completely agree

Sapphire Lady · 20 Mar 2004, 17:24

I can't believe Jim Steinman is only number 151

Some of the people rated above him are nowhere near being in the same league as him.

For example, Rob Halford of Judas Priest !! I mean, come on. How difficult can it be to write lyrics like this:-

"Feels as though nobody cares
If I live or die
So I might as well begin
To put some action into my life

Breaking the law
Breaking the law
Breaking the law
Breaking the law
Breaking the law
Breaking the law"

Those lyrics are better than Bat Out of Hell ??????

Fallen Angel · 20 Mar 2004, 17:30

Better than bat??
NO WAY!!!!

Rob The Badger · 20 Mar 2004, 17:49

No 21. WOO-HOO! He deserves be be higher though.
Brian Wilson wrote less than half of the Beach Boys lyrics and he gets a higher position than someone who once wrote:

"Nothing's changed
I still love you, oh, I still love you
...Only slightly, only slightly less than I used to, my love

I was delayed, I was way-laid
An emergency stop
I smelt the last ten seconds of life
I crashed down on the crossbar
And the pain was enough to make
A shy, bald, buddhist reflect
And plan a mass murder
Who said lied I'd to her ? "

I think not.
Steinman does indeed deserve to be higher also.
Lists like this are worthless anyway.

jcmoorehead · 20 Mar 2004, 17:56

The bloody guy from slipknot got higher then him! Thats rediculus. Half of Slipknots Songs are like

F*ck, F*ck F*ck F*ck F*ck
F*******************ck

Rob The Badger · 20 Mar 2004, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmoorehead

The bl**dy guy from slipknot got higher then him! Thats rediculus. Half of Slipknots Songs are like

F*ck, F*ck F*ck F*ck F*ck
F*******************ck

And hence this list is null and void. As you were.

RichieBoy · 21 Mar 2004, 00:29

I really can't believe that! I am truly baffled.

Who put this list together, I mean yes some lyricists are justified within the list. But for Jim being that low it really is unbelievable!!

The only assumption I can make is that they have categorised most of Jim's songs as love songs instead of rock?

But come on, 151? Without being biased I think that he should be up there in the single figures - not triple!!

And another point Bob Dylan no1!!!!
Yeah that's right , he probably should be no1......but not in a ranking for rock lyricist!!

Rob The Badger · 21 Mar 2004, 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieBoy

I really can't believe that! I am truly baffled.

Who put this list together, I mean yes some lyricists are justified within the list. But for Jim being that low it really is unbelievable!!

The only assumption I can make is that they have categorised most of Jim's songs as love songs instead of rock?

But come on, 151? Without being biased I think that he should be up there in the single figures - not triple!!

And another point Bob Dylan no1!!!!
Yeah that's right , he probably should be no1......but not in a ranking for rock lyricist!!

I think Jim in single digits is going a bit far. His lyrics have always been second to his music.

Alex · 21 Mar 2004, 15:56

Jimmy would never get high in a list like that because he's not known as anything but the guy who writes Meat Loaf's songs. Thats the problem both Jim and Meat have, they are considered a double act. "Whats the point with Morcombe without Wise?".

If people realised that Jimmy wrote all of Bat 1 and Bat 2, most of Bonnie Tylers hits, It's All Coming Back To Me Now and (here's the kicker)... No Matter What (tho, obviously they would need to hear the Original version (Meat's)).

If people realised the other songs he's done are actually him, he might get more credit :) But I guess, Lyrics are a opinion based thing, somepeople don't want meaningful and well-tendered lyrics. :)

On a side-note: I haven't crossed a single person who prefers Boyzone's NMW in comparision to Meat's :) Even one guy hates Meat Loaf, but had to conceed he really liked No Matter What! ... credit were credit's due! :)

Rob The Badger · 21 Mar 2004, 16:57

You jsut have to look at the other lists on that site. It's all populist dross.

Bohemian · 22 Mar 2004, 10:08

Alice Cooper only the 99th best rock lyricist??

I think not!!

Bohemian

Bohemian · 22 Mar 2004, 10:10

And Peter Gabriel's Genesis stuff warrants only 79th ????

Now THAT is even more of a crime!!!

Ok I'll stop now...

Bohemian

LucyK! · 22 Mar 2004, 12:49

And no mention of Jon Bon Jovi either

White of High · 22 Mar 2004, 13:05

And me???
I think The Silent Man is so much better than others lyrics...

Rob The Badger · 22 Mar 2004, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy!

And no mention of Jon Bon Jovi either

He hasn't really written anything of note.

Daphne24 · 23 Mar 2004, 00:17

And Bernie Taupin is only 76!!!!! Not fair ... but he suffers from the same problem Jimmy does. People don't really know who he is.

Plus, I have to say I agree with the person who said Jon Bon Jovi hasn't written anything worthy of getting him onto such a list. I submit the following: "I just wanna live while I'm alive" from It's My Life. It's a catchy song and I tend to find myself listening to it when it comes on the radio, but I'm ashamed of liking a song with that line in it

Stupid lists...

Loafy Meats · 23 Mar 2004, 15:11

I totally agree about the steinman thing - The problem with Jim's work is that people are not aware of the fact that he wrote the songs. Regardless of who the artist is most of the time people just assume that they wrote it and wouldn't really take the time to find out who actually did. So like with Meat Loaf - there's a lot of people who think he writes the stuff. Jim's not really the one in the public eye.

Weezy · 23 Mar 2004, 15:32

Hmmm...not the order I would have chosen

Winston · 23 Mar 2004, 17:27

Bruce is @ 10.........thats shocking......he should be Number 1

Rob The Badger · 23 Mar 2004, 18:37

Just let it go. The list is populist dross. There are people in that list that are top ten worthy.
Here's my Top Ten Lyricists.

10. Bruce Springsteen
9. David Bowie
8. Carole King
7. Lou Reed
6. Ian Curtis
5. Neil Young
4. Joe Strummer
3. Bob Marley
2. Morrissey
1. Bob Dylan

"It's funny, coz it's true!"

Daphne24 · 23 Mar 2004, 18:47

Hmm, I worked up a Top Ten list and it ended up with 25 people on it!! Is that wrong??

Lots of ties - I can't choose between any of them but here it is:

1. John Lennon
1. Bernie Taupin/Elton John
2. Paul Simon
2. Stevie Wonder
3. Bono
3. David Bowie
3. Holland, Dozier and Holland
3. Leiber/Stoller
3. Jim Steinman
4. Paul McCartney
4. Queen
4. Otis Redding
4. Phil Spector
5. Chuck Berry
5. Jim Morrison
5. Tom Waits
6. Richard Ashcroft
6. Eric Clapton
6. Bob Dylan
7. Robert Plant/Jimmy Page
7. Joe Strummer/Clash
8. Marvin Gaye
9. Sting
10. George Harrison
10. Curtis Mayfield

Louise · 23 Mar 2004, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sapphire Lady

I can't believe Jim Steinman is only number 151

An absolute travesty!

If he ever needs consoling...

Louise x

Wild_Honey · 28 Mar 2004, 05:33

I was thrilled to find John & Paul among the top 10.

But I don't think you can actually put all songwriters into an order; I think they are/were all great in their own ways.

20 Mar 2004, 00:12	#1
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	151 best rock lyricists of all time! http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/page...lyricists.html ALL I can say is thank goodness for 151! This is the supposed list for the top 151 rock lyricists of all time. Frankly I find these top whatever things rather annoying but I found this on another board, and thought it was quite relating too. I wish people would just get the name Meat Loaf spelled right.

20 Mar 2004, 16:53	#2
Fallen Angel Youth Gone Wild Join Date: 19.09.2003 Location: See the mad one over there.... Posts: 693	Nice 2 see the names Steven Tyler(Aerosmith) and Steve Harris(Iron Maiden) in there too.Thats my opinion anyway.

20 Mar 2004, 17:14	#3
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	i completely agree

20 Mar 2004, 17:24	#4
Sapphire Lady Mega Loafer Join Date: 21.04.2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,213	I can't believe Jim Steinman is only number 151 Some of the people rated above him are nowhere near being in the same league as him. For example, Rob Halford of Judas Priest !! I mean, come on. How difficult can it be to write lyrics like this:- "Feels as though nobody cares If I live or die So I might as well begin To put some action into my life Breaking the law Breaking the law Breaking the law Breaking the law Breaking the law Breaking the law" Those lyrics are better than Bat Out of Hell ??????

20 Mar 2004, 17:30	#5
Fallen Angel Youth Gone Wild Join Date: 19.09.2003 Location: See the mad one over there.... Posts: 693	Better than bat?? NO WAY!!!!

20 Mar 2004, 17:49	#6
Rob The Badger Too sexy for this post Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 2,895	No 21. WOO-HOO! He deserves be be higher though. Brian Wilson wrote less than half of the Beach Boys lyrics and he gets a higher position than someone who once wrote: "Nothing's changed I still love you, oh, I still love you ...Only slightly, only slightly less than I used to, my love I was delayed, I was way-laid An emergency stop I smelt the last ten seconds of life I crashed down on the crossbar And the pain was enough to make A shy, bald, buddhist reflect And plan a mass murder Who said lied I'd to her ? " I think not. Steinman does indeed deserve to be higher also. Lists like this are worthless anyway.

20 Mar 2004, 17:56	#7
jcmoorehead Super Loafer Join Date: 09.04.2003 Location: Edinburgh, formerly Teesside Posts: 672	The bloody guy from slipknot got higher then him! Thats rediculus. Half of Slipknots Songs are like Fck, Fck Fck Fck Fck F******************ck

21 Mar 2004, 00:29	#9
RichieBoy Loafer Join Date: 28.05.2003 Location: Lincoln Lincolnshire. UK Posts: 78	I really can't believe that! I am truly baffled. Who put this list together, I mean yes some lyricists are justified within the list. But for Jim being that low it really is unbelievable!! The only assumption I can make is that they have categorised most of Jim's songs as love songs instead of rock? But come on, 151? Without being biased I think that he should be up there in the single figures - not triple!! And another point Bob Dylan no1!!!! Yeah that's right , he probably should be no1......but not in a ranking for rock lyricist!!

21 Mar 2004, 15:56	#11
Alex Ooh weee ooOOoh! Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: In the Land of the Manc's Posts: 445	Jimmy would never get high in a list like that because he's not known as anything but the guy who writes Meat Loaf's songs. Thats the problem both Jim and Meat have, they are considered a double act. "Whats the point with Morcombe without Wise?". If people realised that Jimmy wrote all of Bat 1 and Bat 2, most of Bonnie Tylers hits, It's All Coming Back To Me Now and (here's the kicker)... No Matter What (tho, obviously they would need to hear the Original version (Meat's)). If people realised the other songs he's done are actually him, he might get more credit :) But I guess, Lyrics are a opinion based thing, somepeople don't want meaningful and well-tendered lyrics. :) On a side-note: I haven't crossed a single person who prefers Boyzone's NMW in comparision to Meat's :) Even one guy hates Meat Loaf, but had to conceed he really liked No Matter What! ... credit were credit's due! :)

21 Mar 2004, 16:57	#12
Rob The Badger Too sexy for this post Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 2,895	You jsut have to look at the other lists on that site. It's all populist dross.

22 Mar 2004, 10:08	#13
Bohemian Super Loafer Join Date: 14.11.2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 496	Alice Cooper only the 99th best rock lyricist?? I think not!! Bohemian

22 Mar 2004, 10:10	#14
Bohemian Super Loafer Join Date: 14.11.2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 496	And Peter Gabriel's Genesis stuff warrants only 79th ???? Now THAT is even more of a crime!!! Ok I'll stop now... Bohemian

22 Mar 2004, 12:49	#15
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	And no mention of Jon Bon Jovi either

22 Mar 2004, 13:05	#16
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	And me??? I think The Silent Man is so much better than others lyrics...

23 Mar 2004, 00:17	#18
Daphne24 Rookie Join Date: 01.03.2004 Posts: 14	And Bernie Taupin is only 76!!!!! Not fair ... but he suffers from the same problem Jimmy does. People don't really know who he is. Plus, I have to say I agree with the person who said Jon Bon Jovi hasn't written anything worthy of getting him onto such a list. I submit the following: "I just wanna live while I'm alive" from It's My Life. It's a catchy song and I tend to find myself listening to it when it comes on the radio, but I'm ashamed of liking a song with that line in it Stupid lists...

23 Mar 2004, 15:11	#19
Loafy Meats Senior Loafer Join Date: 18.11.2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 162	I totally agree about the steinman thing - The problem with Jim's work is that people are not aware of the fact that he wrote the songs. Regardless of who the artist is most of the time people just assume that they wrote it and wouldn't really take the time to find out who actually did. So like with Meat Loaf - there's a lot of people who think he writes the stuff. Jim's not really the one in the public eye.

23 Mar 2004, 15:32	#20
Weezy Super Loafer Join Date: 05.01.2004 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 324	Hmmm...not the order I would have chosen

23 Mar 2004, 17:27	#21
Winston Super Loafer Join Date: 02.04.2003 Location: Lion's Den Posts: 745	Bruce is @ 10.........thats shocking......he should be Number 1

23 Mar 2004, 18:37	#22
Rob The Badger Too sexy for this post Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 2,895	Just let it go. The list is populist dross. There are people in that list that are top ten worthy. Here's my Top Ten Lyricists. 10. Bruce Springsteen 9. David Bowie 8. Carole King 7. Lou Reed 6. Ian Curtis 5. Neil Young 4. Joe Strummer 3. Bob Marley 2. Morrissey 1. Bob Dylan "It's funny, coz it's true!"

23 Mar 2004, 18:47	#23
Daphne24 Rookie Join Date: 01.03.2004 Posts: 14	Hmm, I worked up a Top Ten list and it ended up with 25 people on it!! Is that wrong?? Lots of ties - I can't choose between any of them but here it is: 1. John Lennon 1. Bernie Taupin/Elton John 2. Paul Simon 2. Stevie Wonder 3. Bono 3. David Bowie 3. Holland, Dozier and Holland 3. Leiber/Stoller 3. Jim Steinman 4. Paul McCartney 4. Queen 4. Otis Redding 4. Phil Spector 5. Chuck Berry 5. Jim Morrison 5. Tom Waits 6. Richard Ashcroft 6. Eric Clapton 6. Bob Dylan 7. Robert Plant/Jimmy Page 7. Joe Strummer/Clash 8. Marvin Gaye 9. Sting 10. George Harrison 10. Curtis Mayfield

28 Mar 2004, 05:33	#25
Wild_Honey Super Loafer Join Date: 23.03.2003 Location: Windeck, Germany Posts: 606	I was thrilled to find John & Paul among the top 10. But I don't think you can actually put all songwriters into an order; I think they are/were all great in their own ways.