Dream Engine website update

[Pudding]

The Dream Engine's website has been updated www.thedreamengine.com and some might find the FAQ **updated** section quite interesting. Especially the answer to the question:

What songs have been or are currently being recorded by The Dream Engine?

Recent recording and mixing includes all the new songs performed at the recent shows in NYC as well as others, including: In The Land Of The Pig The Butcher Is King and a vocal quartet titled: Cry To Heaven (includes a phrase of which was later used in Angels Arise).

Those song titles sound familiar

Pud

[Ross]

Interesting, thanks for the info Pud!

[yemabef]

Awesome - if Steinman's recording them with The Dream Engine, at least we know those songs aren't just rejects Jim didn't want. So that's eight good tracks on Bat III now at least

[Jackoutofhell]

Originally Posted by yemabef

Awesome - if Steinman's recording them with The Dream Engine, at least we know those songs aren't just rejects Jim didn't want. So that's eight good tracks on Bat III now at least

I drew a slightly different conclusion...

[Pudding]

Me too. I don't think he's recording them because they're great songs I think he's recording them because he can.

Pud

[yemabef]

Don't get me wrong, I know they might just be trying to get whatever "new" Steinman songs they can on the album and this provides an opportunity for that to happen for 2 more tracks. Here's the thing: this news obviously clears up how Meat is able to record those two Steinman songs that didn't appear before now to be covers of previous recordings, yes, but isn't it a better sign then that he's recording songs that Steinman actually wants to record, and are probably decent, as opposed to another scenario where Meat was able to do these songs - previously unrecorded material, or so we thought - because Steinman didn't care one way or another and had no use for them? That did seem like a possible explanation for how he was going to do these songs before this news of their prior-recording came to light. We already knew from their inclusion that Meat was, for some reason or another, able to record these "new" Steinman songs, and given that was the case, even if their thinking is that they try to put whatever new Steinman stuff on that they can, 'wanted' sounds a lot better to me than 'not wanted'.

Though this begs the question: won't The Dream Engine be recording WPOMBHTM too, so couldn't they have "covered" that?

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by yemabef

Don't get me wrong, I know they might just be trying to get whatever "new" Steinman songs they can on the album and this provides an opportunity for that to happen for 2 more tracks. Here's the thing: this news obviously clears up how Meat is able to record those two Steinman songs that didn't appear before now to be covers of previous recordings, yes, but isn't it a better sign then that he's recording songs that Steinman actually wants to record, and are probably decent, as opposed to another scenario where Meat was able to do these songs - previously unrecorded material, or so we thought - because Steinman didn't care one way or another and had no use for them? That did seem like a possible explanation for how he was going to do these songs before this news of their prior-recording came to light. We already knew from their inclusion that Meat was, for some reason or another, able to record these "new" Steinman songs, and given that was the case, even if their thinking is that they try to put whatever new Steinman stuff on that they can, 'wanted' sounds a lot better to me than 'not wanted'.

Though this begs the question: won't The Dream Engine be recording WPOMBHTM too, so couldn't they have "covered" that?

i'm not quite sure what you're saying here?.. as it made me a bit whoozie?..and i'm listening to the loverly delirious cymbal crashing on Bonnie's Faster than the speed of the night on me boomer?... HOWever... i'm glad Meat WON'T be singing..In The Land Of The Pig The Butcher Is King.. just because.. i hate the title... lol... what is that song about?.. anyone????

t...

[L96]

Originally Posted by tink

what is that song about?.. anyone????

The song isn't that great, imo, that said, it's rather hard to get any idea of what the song is about from the few snippets that have surfaced.

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by yemabef

Don't get me wrong, I know they might just be trying to get whatever "new" Steinman songs they can on the album and this provides an opportunity for that to happen for 2 more tracks. Here's the thing: this news obviously clears up how Meat is able to record those two Steinman songs that didn't appear before now to be covers of previous recordings, yes, but isn't it a better sign then that he's recording songs that Steinman actually wants to record, and are probably decent, as opposed to another scenario where Meat was able to do these songs - previously unrecorded material, or so we thought - because Steinman didn't care one way or another and had no use for them? That did seem like a possible explanation for how he was going to do these songs before this news of their prior-recording came to light. We already knew from their inclusion that Meat was, for some reason or another, able to record these "new" Steinman songs, and given that was the case, even if their thinking is that they try to put whatever new Steinman stuff on that they can, 'wanted' sounds a lot better to me than 'not wanted'.

Though this begs the question: won't The Dream Engine be recording WPOMBHTM too, so couldn't they have "covered" that?

I agree with you!

Given that this album is going to be called "Bat Out Of Hell 3" (almost certainly), and seeing the care and attention devoted to the album so far and it's early promotion, I am 100% sure they will not have just put any old spare crap onto it. There is not going to be 1 "filler" song on this, every song will rock. Of course, not everybody will like every song. But I do NOT think for 1 lousy minute that they will be "reject" songs.

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by Lotus96

The song isn't that great, imo, that said, it's rather hard to get any idea of what the song is about from the few snippets that have surfaced.

where can these snippets be found?

t...

[Jeanie]

Good questions, Tink.
I'd like to see the lyrics to ITLOPTBIK, and hear the "snippets" of the song, as well. :) Just to have an idea of what the song is about, with a title like that.. it makes one curious.

J. xo

[mszee]

Originally Posted by yemabef

because Steinman didn't care one way or another and had no use for them? That did seem like a possible explanation for how he was going to do these songs before this news of their prior-recording came to light. We already knew from their inclusion that Meat was, for some reason or another, able to record these "new" Steinman songs, and given that was the case, even if their thinking is that they try to put whatever new Steinman stuff on that they can, 'wanted' sounds a lot better to me than 'not wanted'.

Though this begs the question: won't The Dream Engine be recording WPOMBHTM too, so couldn't they have "covered" that?

Songwriter always has "use" for the songs...that "use" is also known as royalties...

[yemabef]

Originally Posted by mszee

Songwriter always has "use" for the songs...that "use" is also known as royalties...

Well I didn't mean it as in Steinman would have been letting him have the songs for free . I was referring to Steinman's *practical* use for them, as in: Steinman actually wants to record these two songs, chosen out of all of the Batman musical material he wrote, and it strikes me as logical to think that songs chosen by Steinman to be recorded probably have a higher chance of being better than songs that Meat was given permission to record because Steinman had no *practical* use for them for his Dream Engine project. For someone worried that the songs would just be 'rejects' (given there was, until Pudding posted this thread, little other explanation for how the songs could be on Bat III and not be covers) this strikes me as good news. I hope that clears up any confusion as to what I meant before, because I admittedly worded it all a bit awkwardly

Now, as for the other scenario being suggested in this thread: that the songs might not be any good and are on Bat III for the sake of it, just to have new Steinman songs. This implies firstly that Steinman must be choosing to record mediocre songs, and that strikes me as odd anyway given that he must have a fair amount of material to choose from, from Batman and any other projects over the years. But for a moment, let's assume he's fresh out of good tunes. Even then, it *still* doesn't add up for me that Meat would then choose to cover these 'mediocre' tracks instead of covering perfectly decent material previously recorded by other artists but largely unknown to the public. For example, he could have done the two that often get mentioned around here, Safe Sex and Braver Than We Are, especially as he's shown no hesitation in doing covers of relatively unknown tracks by including songs like Bad For Good and Seize The Night in the tracklist. Desmond Child appears to have taken to classifying these less-known covers among the "six new Steinman songs" anyway, and as inaccurate as that statement is to us, the songs outside of IACBTMN are new to most people, and they'll all be associated, in the eyes of the public, with nobody but Meat Loaf from now on. Whether they recorded Cry To Heaven for Bat III or instead went for Safe Sex, by the end of the year whatever they chose would be considered a Meat Loaf song, and Desmond Child's clearly thinking along these lines too, so there'd really be little incentive for Meat to choose Cry To Heaven or Land Of The Pigs unless they were better for the album.

But maybe that is the case, maybe Steinman is recording rubbish, and maybe Meat and co. figure that people would care more about having Steinman's name attached to these two new tracks instead of making the album better by replacing them with two better quality covers that the majority haven't heard of before anyway. I suppose it's possible. I just don't see the logic in assuming it to be the case for no apparent reason. But that's just my opinion

[Pudding]

Songs are always left to personal preferences, you either like them or you don't. Meat might actually like those songs and if he does good luck to the bloke. I've heard something of Pigs and it sucks, but that's my opinion. I've listened to some of the newish Steinman stuff from the Dream Engine gigs and they pretty much suck as well.

So if Pigs and Cry To Heaven are the only new Steinman songs Meat could get his hands on, don't hold out that they're going to be masterpieces.

Pud

[mszee]

Thank God...I thought I was the only one at that concert who had new songs go way over my head and disappear into the blue beyond...

[PrissLoaf]

Originally Posted by tink

... i'm glad Meat WON'T be singing..In The Land Of The Pig The Butcher Is King.. just because.. i hate the title...

ICAM.

[meatloaf-unofficial]

I see that The Dream Engine are recording in the studio as it says on their site. Canny wait to hear there music - Jims Music

[RSG]

Originally Posted by Pudding

The Dream Engine's website has been updated www.thedreamengine.com and some might find the FAQ **updated** section quite interesting. Especially the answer to the question:

What songs have been or are currently being recorded by The Dream Engine?

Recent recording and mixing includes all the new songs performed at the recent shows in NYC as well as others, including: In The Land Of The Pig The Butcher Is King and a vocal quartet titled: Cry To Heaven (includes a phrase of which was later used in Angels Arise).

Those song titles sound familiar

Pud

I have a feeling that Meat's recordings will be greater. Just because even though TDE has a nice line up. I am overblown with what TNE had to offer on MSO. So imagine in the studio!