Ban

White of High · 01 Dec 2006, 17:24

I was banned for a long-long time!
Can I ask why did you ban one of the oldest member on this site?
That's so sad!

**The Flying Mouse** · 01 Dec 2006, 17:38

As the mod involved, I very reluctantly banned you for repeatedly ignoring warnings and breaking forum rules.

You posted something, it was removed.

You posted it again.

I removed the second post and warned you that posting it again would be in breach of the forum rules.

You then went on to ignore several warnings, icluding the last, which said in no uncertain terms, that if you post that post one more time YOU WILL BE BANNED.

You posted it.

You were banned.

Welcome back to the forum, and please from now on post within the forum rules.

White of High · 01 Dec 2006, 17:56

I didn't do anything just said: I think It's All Coming Back To Me Now is not as good as Celine's or Pandora's version... that had been deleted with the next quote: "to write a bad critics of this song is not permitted"

Am I right?

White of High · 01 Dec 2006, 19:01

I am!
I won't deny your apology!

**The Flying Mouse** · 01 Dec 2006, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by White of High

I didn't do anything just said: I think It's All Coming Back To Me Now is not as good as Celine's or Pandora's version... that had been deleted with the next quote: "to write a bad critics of this song is not permitted"

Am I right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by White of High

I am!
I won't deny your apology!

Apology?

I'm actually waiting to give R. a chance to respond to this thread.

I don't remember exactly what was posted, but I rememberr it was posted in an offensive way.

You were warned about that, and you again and again ignored warnings until you were banned.

I've already answered youe question, but that doesn't seem to be enough, so i'm letting R. have a go at explaining things.

White of High · 01 Dec 2006, 19:19

Thanks!
My mind is pure!
I remember everything
I remember every little thing as if it happened only yesterday! :)

R. · 01 Dec 2006, 20:16

Read my latest blog entry, especially the last paragraph, here.

White of High · 01 Dec 2006, 21:18

Does Meat Loaf pay this site for working or not?

1. Yes - everything is okay, he can make the rules but everybody should know this... hmmm?
2. No - it's a fansite where the fans are meeting, they are talking about Meat Loaf and his music and everything else. Meat Loaf has to learn that he can get critics. If he can't stand it...

Well... who pays this site?

Jack :)

PS.: do you understand why I was so angry and why I did attack your rules? That was the reason to had been banned?

R. · 01 Dec 2006, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by White of High

Does Meat Loaf pay this site for working or not?

1. Yes - everything is okay, he can make the rules but everybody should know this... hmmm?
2. No - it's a fansite where the fans are meeting, they are talking about Meat Loaf and his music and everything else. Meat Loaf has to learn that he can get critics. If he can't stand it...

Well... who pays this site?

Jack :)

PS.: do you understand why I was so angry and why I did attack your rules? That was the reason to had been banned?

No.
Yes, but as long as his name is on top of the site - no. Your approach would work if this site's name would be "Fred's chatterbox" or similar. Anyway, MLUKFC pays this site, so it's run by MLUKFC and MLUKFC decides how it's run. End of story.

White of High · 01 Dec 2006, 21:43

That's nice you don't delete now my quotes... I wanted to talk about it 3 months ago but you didn't let it.

Well...
I think you have to read more about rights of internet forums. You are on bad way... I have never seen before this in other forums...

End of story...

White of High · 01 Dec 2006, 21:46

Meat Loaf!
If you read it then be tolerate with critics. And send me PM if you have problems!

I like your music but I like to keep my opinions.

Pudding · 01 Dec 2006, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by White of High

I didn't do anything just said: I think It's All Coming Back To Me Now is not as good as Celine's or Pandora's version...

Yeah, that would do it, I can see why you were banned now

Pud

White of High · 01 Dec 2006, 22:23

And is it okay? :)

neverlandandy · 01 Dec 2006, 23:38

question why ban someone for having an opinion

djfierce · 01 Dec 2006, 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by neverlandandy

question why ban someone for having an opinion

ok i dont think many can comment on this topic but i think if it was as simple as that then almost everybody would have been banned. There were plenty others who said IACBTM wasnt as good as the originals.

neverlandandy · 01 Dec 2006, 23:54

well if its going to get me banned i think bat 3 is the worst album meat has ever done but then again thats just my personal opinion and a lot of people will disagree with me which of course they are entitled to do

djfierce · 02 Dec 2006, 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by neverlandandy

well if its going to get me banned i think bat 3 is the worst album meat has ever done but then again thats just my personal opinion and a lot of people will disagree with me which of course they are entitled to do

Again you're not the first to say that either

Paul191 · 02 Dec 2006, 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by neverlandandy

question why ban someone for having an opinion

As much as a I disagree with some of the reasons people are banned from here, I totally do not get what your saying because if you read the thread properly you would see that, White Of.... whatever wasn't banned because she had an opinion but because she expressed it in an offensive way.

Simply saying "Bat 3 is crap" is not gonna get you banned.......... You will simpy get laughed at then mobbed by an angry bunch of fans...... Who, believe me, are merciless.

geordieloaf · 02 Dec 2006, 01:22

There is alot of people have the right to say what they want etc at the moment.
Truth is if you say you don't like something fine i will respect that but if your just out for a reaction then what's the point?

White of High · 02 Dec 2006, 03:59

I have to explain the situation.

I said in a topic that IACBTM was not good, Celine's and Pandora's version is better. I said it before the album was come out. The moderator deleted my topic because he got an instruction by Meat Loaf in PM that it's not allowed to say bad critics before the album has come out. I heard this song in MP3 and they saved him with the next one: MP3 is not audio, we have to wait with our opinion till the album will be come out. They deleted my quote. I was angry and wrote it again... delete again, get a PM with Meat Loaf's words by the moderator and a threat that I will be banned. I was angrier and I opened a new topic in Site Feedback section about the next: is that normal in a fansite if the musical star says what is allowed or not. That was deleted again. I started conversation twice more and that was always deleted. I was f*** angry and I wrote that the rules were rubbish and I didn't have freedom of speech. After I was banned...

Well... my question: is that right to accept all demands of Meat Loaf in a fansite what is not payed by him???

L96 · 02 Dec 2006, 05:13

Mate, if you got told that many times not to post whatever, and you kept posting it, what else can the mods etc do? Obviously requests and then warnings didn't work... what would you have had the powers that be do?

With hindsight, it may have been wiser to question the rules in private, and leave your posting until it was phrased better.

To your question: it may not be ethically "right" in the interests of freedom of expression to let someone other than people who pay for this site to make the rules. However, it is a Meat Loaf site, and if we want him to come here, he needs to be kept semi-placated. The people who pay for the site obviously want Meat here, thus it is their choice to accept his demands in exchange for his precense.

CarylB · 02 Dec 2006, 05:18

Well it's not paid for by you either is it? And R has explained that he takes Meat's feelings and concerns into account, and his reasons for doing this. If Meat stopped coming here there'd be no opportunity for you to keep posting that you want him to come to Budapest (despite the fact you think his voice is weak and you don't think IACBTMN is good :) )

And I know of fansites of other stars where, yes, negative comments are not expected .. and those stars don't even bother to come to the sites.

And yes, I think it's entirely reasonable that R and the moderators take into account Meat's feelings about negative posts about his work here, and make a decision as they see fit, particularly in view of the fact this is the main UK Meat site and as Meat said, how does it help the process for new fans to come here and see an album he's working his ass off to promote being trashed before it's even released?

It seems to me you were banned because you refused to accept the webmaster's decision .. ( and I seem to recall that you used far more derogatory terms than "IACBTMN isn't good") and continued to push your case in the forum when the rules clearly say you shouldn't argue with moderator dexisions in public on the board .. and as webmaster R is entitled to make decisions. Going on and on about something that's done and over seems to have little point to me .. apart from sailing close to the wind.

And you're back .. not paying for the site, and imo being given quite a significant amount of latitude in grumbling about and questioning a decision that was made some time ago .. and is history.

Just my opinion with the greatest of respect :) It's history .. time to move on.

Caryl

mszee · 02 Dec 2006, 06:35

I agree...it's time to put past behind, re-read the rules of this forum, understand them and respect them...and move on with your life...

And yes...would have been better if you've asked all these questions in private...and once again...it appears to me as if you already know the answers...

Welcome back and good luck!

**Monstro** · 02 Dec 2006, 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarylB

Well it's not paid for by you either is it? And R has explained that he takes Meat's feelings and concerns into account, and his reasons for doing this. If Meat stopped coming here there'd be no opportunity for you to keep posting that you want him to come to Budapest (despite the fact you think his voice is weak and you don't think IACBTMN is good :) )

And I know of fansites of other stars where, yes, negative comments are not expected .. and those stars don't even bother to come to the sites.

And yes, I think it's entirely reasonable that R and the moderators take into account Meat's feelings about negative posts about his work here, and make a decision as they see fit, particularly in view of the fact this is the main UK Meat site and as Meat said, how does it help the process for new fans to come here and see an album he's working his ass off to promote being trashed before it's even released?

It seems to me you were banned because you refused to accept the webmaster's decision .. ( and I seem to recall that you used far more derogatory terms than "IACBTMN isn't good") and continued to push your case in the forum when the rules clearly say you shouldn't argue with moderator dexisions in public on the board .. and as webmaster R is entitled to make decisions. Going on and on about something that's done and over seems to have little point to me .. apart from sailing close to the wind.

And you're back .. not paying for the site, and imo being given quite a significant amount of latitude in grumbling about and questioning a decision that was made some time ago .. and is history.

Just my opinion with the greatest of respect :) It's history .. time to move on.

Caryl

Wonderfully put - nice one!!!!

CarylB · 02 Dec 2006, 12:08

Well thank you Monstro :)

Caryl

01 Dec 2006, 17:24	#1
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	Ban I was banned for a long-long time! Can I ask why did you ban one of the oldest member on this site? That's so sad!

01 Dec 2006, 17:38	#2
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	As the mod involved, I very reluctantly banned you for repeatedly ignoring warnings and breaking forum rules. You posted something, it was removed. You posted it again. I removed the second post and warned you that posting it again would be in breach of the forum rules. You then went on to ignore several warnings, icluding the last, which said in no uncertain terms, that if you post that post one more time YOU WILL BE BANNED. You posted it. You were banned. Welcome back to the forum, and please from now on post within the forum rules.

01 Dec 2006, 17:56	#3
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	I didn't do anything just said: I think It's All Coming Back To Me Now is not as good as Celine's or Pandora's version... that had been deleted with the next quote: "to write a bad critics of this song is not permitted" Am I right?

01 Dec 2006, 19:01	#4
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	I am! I won't deny your apology!

01 Dec 2006, 19:19	#6
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	Thanks! My mind is pure! I remember everything I remember every little thing as if it happened only yesterday! :)

01 Dec 2006, 20:16	#7
R. You dig. Join Date: 02.04.2002 Location: On the fothermucker Posts: 7,179	Read my latest blog entry, especially the last paragraph, here.

01 Dec 2006, 21:18	#8
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	Does Meat Loaf pay this site for working or not? 1. Yes - everything is okay, he can make the rules but everybody should know this... hmmm? 2. No - it's a fansite where the fans are meeting, they are talking about Meat Loaf and his music and everything else. Meat Loaf has to learn that he can get critics. If he can't stand it... Well... who pays this site? Jack :) PS.: do you understand why I was so angry and why I did attack your rules? That was the reason to had been banned?

01 Dec 2006, 21:43	#10
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	That's nice you don't delete now my quotes... I wanted to talk about it 3 months ago but you didn't let it. Well... I think you have to read more about rights of internet forums. You are on bad way... I have never seen before this in other forums... End of story...

01 Dec 2006, 21:46	#11
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	Meat Loaf! If you read it then be tolerate with critics. And send me PM if you have problems! I like your music but I like to keep my opinions.

01 Dec 2006, 22:23	#13
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	And is it okay? :)

01 Dec 2006, 23:38	#14
neverlandandy Junior Loafer Join Date: 01.02.2004 Posts: 26	question why ban someone for having an opinion

01 Dec 2006, 23:54	#16
neverlandandy Junior Loafer Join Date: 01.02.2004 Posts: 26	well if its going to get me banned i think bat 3 is the worst album meat has ever done but then again thats just my personal opinion and a lot of people will disagree with me which of course they are entitled to do

02 Dec 2006, 01:22	#19
geordieloaf Can't You See My Faded Geordie Jeans Bursting Apart Join Date: 25.10.2006 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,360	There is alot of people have the right to say what they want etc at the moment. Truth is if you say you don't like something fine i will respect that but if your just out for a reaction then what's the point?

02 Dec 2006, 03:59	#20
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	I have to explain the situation. I said in a topic that IACBTM was not good, Celine's and Pandora's version is better. I said it before the album was come out. The moderator deleted my topic because he got an instruction by Meat Loaf in PM that it's not allowed to say bad critics before the album has come out. I heard this song in MP3 and they saved him with the next one: MP3 is not audio, we have to wait with our opinion till the album will be come out. They deleted my quote. I was angry and wrote it again... delete again, get a PM with Meat Loaf's words by the moderator and a threat that I will be banned. I was angrier and I opened a new topic in Site Feedback section about the next: is that normal in a fansite if the musical star says what is allowed or not. That was deleted again. I started conversation twice more and that was always deleted. I was f*** angry and I wrote that the rules were rubbish and I didn't have freedom of speech. After I was banned... Well... my question: is that right to accept all demands of Meat Loaf in a fansite what is not payed by him???

02 Dec 2006, 05:13	#21
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	Mate, if you got told that many times not to post whatever, and you kept posting it, what else can the mods etc do? Obviously requests and then warnings didn't work... what would you have had the powers that be do? With hindsight, it may have been wiser to question the rules in private, and leave your posting until it was phrased better. To your question: it may not be ethically "right" in the interests of freedom of expression to let someone other than people who pay for this site to make the rules. However, it is a Meat Loaf site, and if we want him to come here, he needs to be kept semi-placated. The people who pay for the site obviously want Meat here, thus it is their choice to accept his demands in exchange for his precense.

02 Dec 2006, 05:18	#22
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Well it's not paid for by you either is it? And R has explained that he takes Meat's feelings and concerns into account, and his reasons for doing this. If Meat stopped coming here there'd be no opportunity for you to keep posting that you want him to come to Budapest (despite the fact you think his voice is weak and you don't think IACBTMN is good :) ) And I know of fansites of other stars where, yes, negative comments are not expected .. and those stars don't even bother to come to the sites. And yes, I think it's entirely reasonable that R and the moderators take into account Meat's feelings about negative posts about his work here, and make a decision as they see fit, particularly in view of the fact this is the main UK Meat site and as Meat said, how does it help the process for new fans to come here and see an album he's working his ass off to promote being trashed before it's even released? It seems to me you were banned because you refused to accept the webmaster's decision .. ( and I seem to recall that you used far more derogatory terms than "IACBTMN isn't good") and continued to push your case in the forum when the rules clearly say you shouldn't argue with moderator dexisions in public on the board .. and as webmaster R is entitled to make decisions. Going on and on about something that's done and over seems to have little point to me .. apart from sailing close to the wind. And you're back .. not paying for the site, and imo being given quite a significant amount of latitude in grumbling about and questioning a decision that was made some time ago .. and is history. Just my opinion with the greatest of respect :) It's history .. time to move on. Caryl

02 Dec 2006, 06:35	#23
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I agree...it's time to put past behind, re-read the rules of this forum, understand them and respect them...and move on with your life... And yes...would have been better if you've asked all these questions in private...and once again...it appears to me as if you already know the answers... Welcome back and good luck!

02 Dec 2006, 12:08	#25
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Well thank you Monstro :) Caryl