Would things be different if...?

mcquaidbros · 10 Dec 2006, 20:01

I've been thinking lately and ever since I heard the story about both IACBTMN and AFL being written around the same time before Bat 2. Here's my question.

Would things have happened differently for Meat if IACBTMN was put on Bat 2 and AFL on Bat 3? Would there have been a Grammy? a number 1 album? and a little OT: would Celine be as popular?

LucyK! · 10 Dec 2006, 20:03

In my humble opinion....

Assuming things were done exactly the same - AFL recorded with the 1993 NLE, and IACBTMN recorded with the present NLE with Marion - I don't think Meat would be where he is today.

To make a "comeback" Meat needed to make one hell of an impact on the world which I just don't think he could have done with IACBTMN - those guys definately made the right choice doing AFL in 1993

**Monstro** · 10 Dec 2006, 21:04

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

To make a "comeback" Meat needed to make one hell of an impact on the world which I just don't think he could have done with IACBTMN - those guys definately made the right choice doing AFL in 1993

Spot on!!!! I know a load of people who only own one Meat album and it's Bat 2.

LucyK! · 10 Dec 2006, 21:06

Absolutely, I have lots of friends who aren't Meat fans but they all know AFL, I can't imagine that 13 years later they would still be singing IACBTMN if they'd gone with that one

mcquaidbros · 10 Dec 2006, 21:19

I do believe things would be different. I wonder who made the final decision on which song, because whoever it was...wow!

**Monstro** · 10 Dec 2006, 21:23

They earn't their wages that day...On a slight tangent, because Meat didn't do IACBTMN Celine did it...............who would have released AFL???? Kylie and Jason???

**Monstro** · 10 Dec 2006, 21:24

Actually that doesn't bear thinking about!!!!!!!!

LucyK! · 10 Dec 2006, 21:25

LOL How long before the Peter Andre and Katie Price cover version?!

**Monstro** · 10 Dec 2006, 21:27

Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton????

*AndyK* · 10 Dec 2006, 21:30

Im not being moderatorly (is that a word?) here or anything, but, can we please get back on topic, the thought of either of those two covering the classic that is AFL is sending my back into spasms!

LucyK! · 10 Dec 2006, 21:31

It'd be bloody awful but I absolutely love Kenny Rogers so I'd probably enjoy it!!!!

mcquaidbros · 10 Dec 2006, 21:43

It's a scary thought, about someone else recording AFL.

LucyK! · 10 Dec 2006, 21:47

other people could have done it (obviously!) but I don't know that anyone could have put into it what Meat did, though you could accuse me of giving a biased opinion

Blackkat13 · 11 Dec 2006, 06:27

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

In my humble opinion....

Assuming things were done exactly the same - AFL recorded with the 1993 NLE, and IACBTMN recorded with the present NLE with Marion - I don't think Meat would be where he is today.

To make a "comeback" Meat needed to make one hell of an impact on the world which I just don't think he could have done with IACBTMN - those guys definately made the right choice doing AFL in 1993

I Agree

geordieloaf · 11 Dec 2006, 08:34

I always thought the video had alot to do with the popularity of AFL. It was and still is one of the best music video's ever made. Of course the fact it was a great song aswell helped.
I honestly don't think that IACBTMN is in the same league and would'nt have appealed to so many non meat fans. As for Celine she already had hits and she would have still released my heart will go on and on and on and on, which was her biggest hit.
So yes i think things would have turned out differently for Meat and i thank god it happened the way it did.

Blackkat13 · 11 Dec 2006, 08:42

Yeah Still love AFL video...so far one of ml best same with i'd lie 4 you

Pudding · 11 Dec 2006, 11:12

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Originally Posted by mcquaidbros

Would things have happened differently for Meat if IACBTMN was put on Bat 2 and AFL on Bat 3? Would there have been a Grammy? a number 1 album? and a little OT: would Celine be as popular?

Of course things would have been different, how different no one knows. And Celine was already extremely popular prior to IACBTMN.

Pud

djfierce · 11 Dec 2006, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Of course things would have been different, how different no one knows. And Celine was already extremely popular prior to IACBTMN.

Pud

I might be wrong but i seem to be under the impression that 'Think Twice' was her first big hit over here.
At time her version of iacbtm was good and very likeable.
i'm not so sure that doing iacbtm instead of afl for bat2 would've spelled doom for Meat's career but i don't think iacbtm would have had the same impact.
I was 13yrs old when bat 2 was released and starting to listen to my meat tapes less in favour of the popular stuff at the time, saw Meat on (i think) Live and Kicking promoting afl, absolutely fell in love with it (though the true meaning of the lyrics wouldn't hit me till a few years later

) So i guess Meat doing afl saved me from following the crowd in the record shops to buy Take That

Not sure i could say the same would've happened if it was iacbtm instead

I love the song now but i don't think i would've understood it enough to fully appreciate it back then, just a thought

Sorry, i rambled a bit there

needmoremeat · 11 Dec 2006, 12:20

I first heard IACB only three or four years ago when someone did Celine Dion on Stars in their Eyes. Didn't know Steinman wrote it at the time, it was much later when I learned that, but I really liked the song. However, I was six when I first heard AFL, and I think that song had a bigger impact on me at that age than IACB would have.

Ma.Ra · 24 Dec 2006, 16:46

I try to imagine if "surfs up" would have been the 1. single for bat3. IMHO it has a very good rythm, good lyrics (but I still dont know the meaning of "surfs up", it is a phrasal verb?).

IMHO a radio edit works good with that song.

gilly · 24 Dec 2006, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

LOL How long before the Peter Andre and Katie Price cover version?!

Please God no, no, no never let Katie Price open her mouth to sing ever again. I have heard cats more in tune. Let her carry on with her day job, making money with absolutely no talent (I suspect some of you fellas will be now informing me of her assets!!!) Happy Christmas y'all

**Monstro** · 27 Dec 2006, 05:06

I'm a fella and for the life of me just can't see what Peter sees in her

geordieloaf · 27 Dec 2006, 13:05

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Originally Posted by Monstro

I'm a fella and for the life of me just can't see what Peter sees in her

I can see two pretty big reason's.

10 Dec 2006, 20:01	#1
mcquaidbros Junior Loafer Join Date: 26.10.2006 Posts: 43	Would things be different if...? I've been thinking lately and ever since I heard the story about both IACBTMN and AFL being written around the same time before Bat 2. Here's my question. Would things have happened differently for Meat if IACBTMN was put on Bat 2 and AFL on Bat 3? Would there have been a Grammy? a number 1 album? and a little OT: would Celine be as popular?

10 Dec 2006, 20:03	#2
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	In my humble opinion.... Assuming things were done exactly the same - AFL recorded with the 1993 NLE, and IACBTMN recorded with the present NLE with Marion - I don't think Meat would be where he is today. To make a "comeback" Meat needed to make one hell of an impact on the world which I just don't think he could have done with IACBTMN - those guys definately made the right choice doing AFL in 1993

10 Dec 2006, 21:06	#4
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Absolutely, I have lots of friends who aren't Meat fans but they all know AFL, I can't imagine that 13 years later they would still be singing IACBTMN if they'd gone with that one

10 Dec 2006, 21:19	#5
mcquaidbros Junior Loafer Join Date: 26.10.2006 Posts: 43	I do believe things would be different. I wonder who made the final decision on which song, because whoever it was...wow!

10 Dec 2006, 21:23	#6
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,946	They earn't their wages that day...On a slight tangent, because Meat didn't do IACBTMN Celine did it...............who would have released AFL???? Kylie and Jason???

10 Dec 2006, 21:24	#7
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,946	Actually that doesn't bear thinking about!!!!!!!!

10 Dec 2006, 21:25	#8
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	LOL How long before the Peter Andre and Katie Price cover version?!

10 Dec 2006, 21:27	#9
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,946	Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton????

10 Dec 2006, 21:30	#10
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Im not being moderatorly (is that a word?) here or anything, but, can we please get back on topic, the thought of either of those two covering the classic that is AFL is sending my back into spasms!

10 Dec 2006, 21:31	#11
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	It'd be bloody awful but I absolutely love Kenny Rogers so I'd probably enjoy it!!!!

10 Dec 2006, 21:43	#12
mcquaidbros Junior Loafer Join Date: 26.10.2006 Posts: 43	It's a scary thought, about someone else recording AFL.

10 Dec 2006, 21:47	#13
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	other people could have done it (obviously!) but I don't know that anyone could have put into it what Meat did, though you could accuse me of giving a biased opinion

11 Dec 2006, 08:34	#15
geordieloaf Can't You See My Faded Geordie Jeans Bursting Apart Join Date: 25.10.2006 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,360	I always thought the video had alot to do with the popularity of AFL. It was and still is one of the best music video's ever made. Of course the fact it was a great song aswell helped. I honestly don't think that IACBTMN is in the same league and would'nt have appealed to so many non meat fans. As for Celine she already had hits and she would have still released my heart will go on and on and on and on, which was her biggest hit. So yes i think things would have turned out differently for Meat and i thank god it happened the way it did.

11 Dec 2006, 08:42	#16
Blackkat13 Mega Loafer Join Date: 30.07.2006 Location: Hell, Michigan Posts: 1,989	Yeah Still love AFL video...so far one of ml best same with i'd lie 4 you

11 Dec 2006, 12:20	#19
needmoremeat Mega Loafer Join Date: 23.11.2003 Location: Sunderland, UK Posts: 1,416	I first heard IACB only three or four years ago when someone did Celine Dion on Stars in their Eyes. Didn't know Steinman wrote it at the time, it was much later when I learned that, but I really liked the song. However, I was six when I first heard AFL, and I think that song had a bigger impact on me at that age than IACB would have.

24 Dec 2006, 16:46	#20
Ma.Ra Trekkie Join Date: 25.07.2004 Location: in the middle of nowhere Posts: 863	I try to imagine if "surfs up" would have been the 1. single for bat3. IMHO it has a very good rythm, good lyrics (but I still dont know the meaning of "surfs up", it is a phrasal verb?). IMHO a radio edit works good with that song.

27 Dec 2006, 05:06	#22
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,946	I'm a fella and for the life of me just can't see what Peter sees in her