Meat Loaf vs. Jim Steinman

roomster · 08 Apr 2009, 02:38

Hello,

There have been many controversies between Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman, but how is their friendship today? Is it still cold and nearly none existing? Anyone who knows?

Some newly made contributions from Jim Steinman for the forthcoming Meat Loaf album would make my day

MeatGrl1 · 08 Apr 2009, 02:43

Is this topic even allowed to be discussed ?

RSG · 08 Apr 2009, 02:43

Your english is great here!

I think its fair to say that only the two men can say for sure. Even than, words can never convey, everything our hearts has to say.
I must be honest, that is not my line. My dad gave it to me on a christmas card once. I'm just starting at life. It means an awfully lot to me.

roomster · 08 Apr 2009, 04:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

Is this topic even allowed to be discussed ?

Why should it not be allowed to discuss this?

carole · 08 Apr 2009, 05:02

I think that is something that is between Meat and Jim and we shouldn't get involved in it.

Carole

roomster · 08 Apr 2009, 05:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by carole

I think that is something that is between Meat and Jim and we shouldn't get involved in it.

I think the conflict are relevant for the music and the fans, because if the relationship is back to normal, maybe we'll see some newly made contributions from Jim on the forthcoming record?

I'm not starting this thread for digging out dirty secrets or spreading hearsay, so I really dont understand the scepticism of debating this...

**allrevvedup** · 08 Apr 2009, 09:36

I think Meat has already said that Jim is not going to be on this album but who knows.

It's a long (winded) story that has taken many twists and turns. I think what MeatGrl was trying to suggest was that maybe this kind of topic has been done to death over the years.

**RadioMaster** · 08 Apr 2009, 09:45

I predict, with my future telling powers, that this thread will be locked....

Pudding · 08 Apr 2009, 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by carole

I think that is something that is between Meat and Jim and we shouldn't get involved in it.

Making a comment about a subject matter whether it to be everyone's taste or not isn't getting involved.

I believe Meat and Jims friendship is the same as it always was, on again, off again, on again, off again, like a pair of hookers knickers on a busy Friday night.

Pud

daveake · 08 Apr 2009, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

I believe Meat and Jims friendship is the same as it always was, on again, off again, on again, off again, like a pair of hookers knickers on a busy Friday night.

Pud

So was Bat III sloppy-thirds or just a skidmark in the history of BooH?

Also, what does that make Sonenberg?

Dave

**RadioMaster** · 08 Apr 2009, 10:41

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Originally Posted by daveake

Also, what does that make Sonenberg?

mediameat · 08 Apr 2009, 11:10

doesnt this discussion get a little tiresome? We always end up with the same conclusion!!

(no offence intended for pc-ness)

Pudding · 08 Apr 2009, 11:16

Since no one has taken either side and slagged off the other, I think this discussion is quite unique with a completely new conclusion

Pud

For crying out loud · 08 Apr 2009, 11:31

i dont understand this idea that "were not allowed to discuss this" it happened when i asked somthing before. this is a fanclub for meatloaf so if fans want to question somthing surely this is the place to do so. none us may have the answers, but do we have to make it sound so much like a secret society. making anyone who asks "the wrong questions" feel really akward.

**RadioMaster** · 08 Apr 2009, 11:41

of course were allowed to discuss this subject, people who say otherwise are just stupid. The only problem is, that most of these threads turn into a slagging-match between Meat and Jim fans, and I'm afraid a thread title like this isnt really helpful on that matter.

nikox1 · 08 Apr 2009, 19:05

here here,,,, as i always have said! if they really want to work together they would? as much as the bat out of hells have been a blessing for them, they have always been a curse too. im sure they both have great respect for each other, as we the fans also respect both men. i do think that before meat retires they will do something together [ maybe not a full album ] but maybe some new songs?

daveake · 08 Apr 2009, 19:11

Full album? No chance IMO. A track or two? I think so.

Dave

mszee · 08 Apr 2009, 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveake

Full album? No chance IMO. A track or two? I think so.

Dave

Agreed...but probably nothing at all together in my honest opinion...

Pudding · 08 Apr 2009, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikox1

as much as the bat out of hells have been a blessing for them

Well Two Out Of Three Aint Bad

Pud

nikox1 · 08 Apr 2009, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

Well Two Out Of Three Aint Bad

Pud

before i even seen the reply! i knew it would be in response to something i wrote

im so

bat out of hell 3 went ahead for a good reason, jim doesnt seem to be writing songs for anybody these days [ and even as the legend he is ] he does write slowly, so usually record companys dont wait!

nikox1 · 08 Apr 2009, 23:00

i would like to add, judging by the joke that the bat out of hell musical is becoming? i think meat was right to go and give bat 3 hes best shot!! not everyone likes it [ but he did hes best ] i think jim is an amazing writer, but he seems to always come with so much baggage! hey maybe thats part of hes genius? but they will probably do a song or 2 together

Pudding · 08 Apr 2009, 23:10

Just because we haven't heard anything from Jim in a while, along long while, doesn't mean he hasn't been writing. That said, I agree, the Bat musical has become a bit of a joke.

Pud

nikox1 · 08 Apr 2009, 23:47

you agreed with something i said?

it is a shame that it will probably not happen

jim seems to have surrounded himself with morans

well, what can you do

nikox1 · 08 Apr 2009, 23:48

i mean morons? anyway

**RadioMaster** · 08 Apr 2009, 23:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikox1

bat out of hell 3 went ahead for a good reason, jim doesnt seem to be writing songs for anybody these days [ and even as the legend he is ] he does write slowly, so usually record companys dont wait!

and this, ladies and gentlemen, is the beginning of the argument that gets this sort of thread locked.

08 Apr 2009, 02:38	#1
roomster Super Loafer Join Date: 11.03.2009 Location: Norway Posts: 536	Meat Loaf vs. Jim Steinman Hello, There have been many controversies between Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman, but how is their friendship today? Is it still cold and nearly none existing? Anyone who knows? Some newly made contributions from Jim Steinman for the forthcoming Meat Loaf album would make my day

08 Apr 2009, 02:43	#2
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	Is this topic even allowed to be discussed ?

08 Apr 2009, 02:43	#3
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	Your english is great here! I think its fair to say that only the two men can say for sure. Even than, words can never convey, everything our hearts has to say. I must be honest, that is not my line. My dad gave it to me on a christmas card once. I'm just starting at life. It means an awfully lot to me.

08 Apr 2009, 05:02	#5
carole Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2007 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 2,286	I think that is something that is between Meat and Jim and we shouldn't get involved in it. Carole

08 Apr 2009, 09:36	#7
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	I think Meat has already said that Jim is not going to be on this album but who knows. It's a long (winded) story that has taken many twists and turns. I think what MeatGrl was trying to suggest was that maybe this kind of topic has been done to death over the years.

08 Apr 2009, 09:45	#8
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	I predict, with my future telling powers, that this thread will be locked....

08 Apr 2009, 11:10	#12
mediameat Loafer Join Date: 11.03.2008 Location: Devon Posts: 56	doesnt this discussion get a little tiresome? We always end up with the same conclusion!! (no offence intended for pc-ness)

08 Apr 2009, 11:16	#13
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Since no one has taken either side and slagged off the other, I think this discussion is quite unique with a completely new conclusion Pud

08 Apr 2009, 11:31	#14
For crying out loud Senior Loafer Join Date: 25.08.2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 182	i dont understand this idea that "were not allowed to discuss this" it happened when i asked somthing before. this is a fanclub for meatloaf so if fans want to question somthing surely this is the place to do so. none us may have the answers, but do we have to make it sound so much like a secret society. making anyone who asks "the wrong questions" feel really akward.

08 Apr 2009, 11:41	#15
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	of course were allowed to discuss this subject, people who say otherwise are just stupid. The only problem is, that most of these threads turn into a slagging-match between Meat and Jim fans, and I'm afraid a thread title like this isnt really helpful on that matter.

08 Apr 2009, 19:05	#16
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	here here,,,, as i always have said! if they really want to work together they would? as much as the bat out of hells have been a blessing for them, they have always been a curse too. im sure they both have great respect for each other, as we the fans also respect both men. i do think that before meat retires they will do something together [ maybe not a full album ] but maybe some new songs?

08 Apr 2009, 19:11	#17
daveake 200% is the new 110% Join Date: 13.03.2005 Location: Newbury Posts: 2,983	Full album? No chance IMO. A track or two? I think so. Dave

08 Apr 2009, 23:00	#21
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	i would like to add, judging by the joke that the bat out of hell musical is becoming? i think meat was right to go and give bat 3 hes best shot!! not everyone likes it [ but he did hes best ] i think jim is an amazing writer, but he seems to always come with so much baggage! hey maybe thats part of hes genius? but they will probably do a song or 2 together

08 Apr 2009, 23:10	#22
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Just because we haven't heard anything from Jim in a while, along long while, doesn't mean he hasn't been writing. That said, I agree, the Bat musical has become a bit of a joke. Pud

08 Apr 2009, 23:47	#23
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	you agreed with something i said? it is a shame that it will probably not happen jim seems to have surrounded himself with morans well, what can you do

08 Apr 2009, 23:48	#24
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	i mean morons? anyway