Meat Loaf to appear on German TV in December

[lyn]

Originally Posted by lyn

Yes Carole, I couldn't agree with Caryl more luv :) I absolutely loved watching it, and I just had that feeling of weakness in the knees and the flutter in the heart when watching it too.

I don't care what anybody says or assumes about whether he lip synched or not. Meat done me proud and his fans. I love his music and really love just listening to him everyday. I don't think he's an artist to lip synch at all, but if he said he did, well I'd love him regardless because of his sheer bloody brilliance.

But no one will convince me of it and unless Meat comes on here and says "hey guys I lip synched that performance". No amount of clips posted will convince me otherwise. That my friends is how much love and faith I have in this beautiful guy :)

Originally Posted by CarylB

Really? I missed it if anyone referred to "good", "bad" or the bizarre term "real" fans. Some were dismissed as naive for holding a different view (which I'd say was "personal" and is likely to provoke a response).



Dictating is rather a strong term I think. If it's OK for some to present their opinions, surely it's permissable for others to disagree and venture to post their opposing view?

If not, then who shall dictate which view may be presented as fact which all others must accept, and which view is "getting personal"? Who shall dictate which is the group that is allowed to state an opinion, and which will be the "certain group" who presumably may not?

Caryl

I certainly back that Caryl :)

We should all expect that when one posts a thread, such as this one, of course there is going to be different views, and yes people may not like what someone else has had to say, but it is all part of the forum.

As for the topic here, well feathers are bound to be ruffled. I know mine have been, but I'm standing up for my view, and if people agree or disagree with that, well that is your call

The Wetten Dass performance, as I've said earlier, was nothing short of brilliant, and I don't think it was lip synched at all. But the best part was that I BLOODY ENJOYED IT TO THE FULL! I can't get enough of Meat right now I can't wait until his Sydney dvd comes out either All in all he means a lot to me, and that is all that matters in my life at the moment, other than my hubby and daughter of course :)

[Elijah's way]

Originally Posted by Sarge

I can watch it, they must have missed this one. Sounds like this to me. That was the time when I went to my first (and best) Meat Loaf concert, seems to be long ago...

Ozzy Loaf

[Sarge]

@ Caryl: You probably didn't read some posts on this thread carefully enough and missed the way they are worded.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Sarge

@ Caryl: You probably didn't read some posts on this thread carefully enough

Priceless .. Thank you.

... and missed the way they are worded.

I suspect I have missed, ie fundamentally dis-agreed with, the way you have interpreted them

Caryl

[robgomm]

Err can we stop posting links to obviously mimed previous performances. It's pointless and it's easy to tell they were lip synced.

Shall I tell you a BIG clue which everyone seems to have missed? The earpiece in the ear. If he's got it in it's so he can hear himself so he's singing live. On Wetten Das the earpiece was in, on the old videos posted the earpiece wasn't in. I rest my case. So can everyone please stop now with this daft discussion.

[chairboys]

Just read all the posts from last night on this 'controversial' subject.
I was really giggling to myself at the intensity of everyone's views.
But, by the end of it all I was beginning to feel as though we are going round in circles.
As has been said before, just about everybody is in agreement that it was an excellent performance. And I really don't care either way about the "liveness" of it all.
Just one thing though, Rob. Perhaps the earpiece was just a fake prop to fool us?

[robgomm]

Originally Posted by chairboys

Just one thing though, Rob. Perhaps the earpiece was just a fake prop to fool us?

Oh ha ha very funny, I can tell when you're on a windup lol

[chairboys]

Originally Posted by robgomm

Oh ha ha very funny, I can tell when you're on a windup lol

never

[Mr. Happy]

Originally Posted by robgomm

Shall I tell you a BIG clue which everyone seems to have missed? The earpiece in the ear. If he's got it in it's so he can hear himself so he's singing live. On Wetten Das the earpiece was in, on the old videos posted the earpiece wasn't in. I rest my case. So can everyone please stop now with this daft discussion.

Even if it was lip synced, it's still entirely possible that he would have used the earpiece. He still has to hear the song to know when to mime, and when you're on a stage like that, hearing what's going on isn't as easy as it sounds :P By that logic, what's the point of having the guitarist play the guitar when there's a backing track being used anyway?

I don't think it was lip synced, anyway. And that's because at the very start of Anything For Love, you can clearly see Paul reach up and retune the E string of his guitar down to drop D. If it was a backing track, that would have been 100% unnecessary, because it would have been impossible for anyone to tell the difference anyway.

*Ends daft discussion*

All that matters is that it was an awesome performance (regardless of whether it was lip synced or not) and we didn't have a repeat of the AFL. AND, on top of that, HiaHB charted well in Germany because of it

[SueL]

Originally Posted by BATOUTOFHEAVEN

CHSIB although there must be a more powerful word than perfection

Impeccable?

[TheDoode]

That was a really good performance - it did exactly what it was supposed to do: engage the audience with some classics, and showcase a great new track from the new album. Vocals nicely done at the end of AFL, too. But my God, it's time to get the conditioner out Meat!

[SueL]

Originally Posted by robgomm

Err can we stop posting links to obviously mimed previous performances. It's pointless and it's easy to tell they were lip synced.

Shall I tell you a BIG clue which everyone seems to have missed? The earpiece in the ear. If he's got it in it's so he can hear himself so he's singing live. On Wetten Das the earpiece was in, on the old videos posted the earpiece wasn't in. I rest my case. So can everyone please stop now with this daft discussion.

That occurred to me too, Rob, but I was hesitant to post it because unfortunately, I felt sure that someone would have jumped on it as being part of the "staged" effect.

[BATOUTOFHEAVEN]

Originally Posted by SueL

Impeccable?

Love that word, describes Meat's performance impeccably

[Dave]

I could give two toots if the performance was "mimed," "lip synched," or "performed live" - it does not really matter. What I care about is Meat Loaf displayed a quality performance in front of a live studio and television audience. That's all that matters to me at the end of the day - frankly, that is all that matters to most people who watched the show. Were people entertained by the performance? Yes, it would seem so. Meat Loaf did his job as an entertainer.

[BATOUTOFHEAVEN]

Originally Posted by Dave

I could give two toots if the performance was "mimed," "lip synched," or "performed live" - it does not really matter. What I care about is Meat Loaf displayed a quality performance in front of a live studio and television audience. That's all that matters to me at the end of the day - frankly, that is all that matters to most people who watched the show. Were people entertained by the performance? Yes, it would seem so. Meat Loaf did his job as an entertainer.

CHSIB and I'm sure Meat would have told us if he was going to mime or lip-sync. (which he didn't)

[Steingirl]

This was an incredible performance. Everyone on stage did a wonderful job. I hope they perform this medley at future promo appearances.

[the meatpatti]

Originally Posted by Dave

I could give two toots if the performance was "mimed," "lip synched," or "performed live" - it does not really matter. What I care about is Meat Loaf displayed a quality performance in front of a live studio and television audience. That's all that matters to me at the end of the day - frankly, that is all that matters to most people who watched the show. Were people entertained by the performance? Yes, it would seem so. Meat Loaf did his job as an entertainer.

Totally agree! Who cares, if it was pre-recorded and lips synced or live - it was a great performance and very entertaining!

[stretch37]

Meat definitely sounded fantastic!

[Sabine]

Originally Posted by the meatpatti

Totally agree! Who cares, if it was pre-recorded and lips synced or live - it was a great performance and very entertaining!

Yes and nothings else!!!

Sabine

[lyn]

I second that my dear :)

Originally Posted by CarylB

Priceless .. Thank you.



I suspect I have missed, ie fundamentally dis-agreed with, the way you have interpreted them

Caryl

Originally Posted by Elijah's way

Ozzy Loaf

Hmmmm, you spell Aussie this way And what you've implied with that statement.......well lets say that I'm leaving that alone Although, I'm not impressed with it

Originally Posted by chairboys

Just read all the posts from last night on this 'controversial' subject.
I was really giggling to myself at the intensity of everyone's views.
But, by the end of it all I was beginning to feel as though we are going round in circles.
As has been said before, just about everybody is in agreement that it was an excellent performance. And I really don't care either way about the "liveness" of it all.
Just one thing though, Rob. Perhaps the earpiece was just a fake prop to fool us?

Couldn't agree more with the fact that we all thought the performance was brilliant :)

I don't agree with the earpiece thing that Rob is going on about as sometimes, and I've noticed in the live performance of Meat with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, that artists such as Meat might remove the earpiece during a performance, but that doesn't indicate in any manner that he is lip synching.

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

Even if it was lip synced, it's still entirely possible that he would have used the earpiece. He still has to hear the song to know when to mime, and when you're on a stage like that, hearing what's going on isn't as easy as it sounds :P By that logic, what's the point of having the guitarist play the guitar when there's a backing track being used anyway?

I don't think it was lip synced, anyway. And that's because at the very start of Anything For Love, you can clearly see Paul reach up and retune the E string of his guitar down to drop D. If it was a backing track, that would have been 100% unnecessary, because it would have been impossible for anyone to tell the difference anyway.

*Ends daft discussion*

All that matters is that it was an awesome performance (regardless of whether it was lip synced or not) and we didn't have a repeat of the AFL. AND, on top of that, HiaHB charted well in Germany because of it

From one Aussie to another, bloody well said mate!!!!

Originally Posted by TheDoode

That was a really good performance - it did exactly what it was supposed to do: engage the audience with some classics, and showcase a great new track from the new album. Vocals nicely done at the end of AFL, too. But my God, it's time to get the conditioner out Meat!

Couldn't have said it better :)

Originally Posted by BATOUTOFHEAVEN

Love that word, describes Meat's performance impeccably

Bloody oath mate

Originally Posted by Dave

I could give two toots if the performance was "mimed," "lip synched," or "performed live" - it does not really matter. What I care about is Meat Loaf displayed a quality performance in front of a live studio and television audience. That's all that matters to me at the end of the day - frankly, that is all that matters to most people who watched the show. Were people entertained by the performance? Yes, it would seem so. Meat Loaf did his job as an entertainer.

Second that

Originally Posted by Steingirl

This was an incredible performance. Everyone on stage did a wonderful job. I hope they perform this medley at future promo appearances.

Simply awsome

Originally Posted by SueL

And you were proven so right!!!

The entire performance ROCKED, but ALL OF ME..... ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!!

MEAT ~ YOU WERE FABULOUS!!!

TRUE TO THAT!!!!!!!

[Ma.Ra]

My beef is that a lip-sync performance can't never be as good as a live performance (no matter which artist). Adding "medley" and the new song (in Meat's case) and my overall rating of the performance is really falling.
IMO the audience of Wetten Dass are mostly 40+ people as far as I know from a audience analyze. I don't know if this is really Meat's target market?
Besides the most stupid host, I really miss the German Top of The Pops. Afaik performance were there always live (please dont break some illusions )

I dont want to offend anyone. I am just a fan with an opinion.

[robgomm]

Originally Posted by Ma.Ra

My beef is that a lip-sync performance can't never be as good as a live performance (no matter which artist). Adding "medley" and the new song (in Meat's case) and my overall rating of the performance is really falling.
IMO the audience of Wetten Dass are mostly 40+ people as far as I know from a audience analyze. I don't know if this is really Meat's target market?
Besides the most stupid host, I really miss the German Top of The Pops. Afaik performance were there always live (please dont break some illusions )

I dont want to offend anyone. I am just a fan with an opinion.

I respect your opinion but I don't agree with it

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by Ma.Ra

IMO the audience of Wetten Dass are mostly 40+ people as far as I know from a audience analyze. I don't know if this is really Meat's target market?

Maybe it is, although I don't know whether it would be intentional or unintentional. If you want to reach a younger audience, you have to appear on one of the shows ZDF hides on their digital channel ZDFneo. That probably means less viewers, though.

By the way, I wonder why they put a YouTube video of the Wetten, dass..? performance on his official website but don't mention that the CD is out in Germany.