The Bruce/ Meat Discussion

[BostonAngel]

Originally Posted by Sarge

In case you haven't noticed: I didn't "start" this thread. The post was split from another thread and in fact intented to express my discontent with the repeated Bruce/Meat comparisons in Meat Loaf related threads because I don't think that you can compare the two. The other threads you mentioned were started in the NON-Meat Loaf area of this website. Believe it or not, there are a couple of members who like Meat Loaf AND Springsteen. (Shocking!)

I agree that the orginal question was a valid one in the Production thread. Unfortunately it started a debate about who was the better artist. Thus this thread was started.

As far as the info i posted about the threads is concerned, I simply copied and pasted the thread info DIRECTLY from the board. So if the board itself is showing incorrect info, then you can take it up with the mods. I am just going by what was published on the board.


I have also said previously that I am a Springsteen fan myself. I have in fact seen him live twice. So obviously, yes, I do believe that you can like both artists. I have mentioned numerous other artists that I am a fan of at different times on this board. My musical tastes runs from classical music - Bach, Beethoven, Mozart - to heavy metal, encompassing most genres in between. I would hardly call that narrow-minded. I don't have a problem with other artists. And I never said I did, so don't put words in my mouth or twist things that I have posted to suit your point.
I NEVER critized Meat for covering another artist either, Again DO NOT make it seem as if I have said things that I have NEVER said. Again you are attempting to twist things around.

This all started because I made a general comment expressing my feelings that were valid to the whole discussion on this thread. All future posts I made were simply to clarify and further elaborate on my original thoughts and opinions.

[Sarge]

Maybe we have different concepts of "recent" or maybe I don't pick the right word sometimes. I'm not a native speaker of English, mea culpa! Meat has mentioned Bruce a lot in the last couple of months, especially around the time he promoted the last album.

I'm interested in music and what other people think about it. I'm not keen on locking horns with other members over trifles. Sadly, this thread has turned in a "who is the better artist" and "Springsteen fans don't like Meat Loaf" allegations. If you are such a big Meat Loaf fan and have issues with Springsteen being mentioned on this forum, why don't you contribute something to the Meat Loaf discussions (aside from clicking buttons) instead of complaining at length about the fact that The Boss appears in the off topic (!) section?

[BostonAngel]

IF you bother to read all of what I post,you would know how off base what you are saying is. I DO NOT HAVE ISSUES WITH SPRINGSTEEN. I have stated that I am in fact a Springsteen fan. My whole ORIGINAL point was that I was dissatisfied with how this thread became a debate about who was better. The other part of my original post was that IN MY OPINION, this forum seemed to be discussing Bruce Springsteen more than Meat Loaf. And opinion that is shared by a few others.

[Mr. Happy]

Originally Posted by robgomm

Actually if you read his interviews you will see him confessing that does do a LOT of the writing of his songs, he just doesn't take credit for it.

There's a difference between changing the lyrics of a song or arranging it musically and writing something completely new from scratch. Especially when the person who does the latter does it for hundreds of songs, as opposed to the former for a few songs here and there

Originally Posted by BostonAngel

I agree. And just to prove the point: All the following threads have been started in the past 6 months specifically to discuss Springsteen. With the expection of one all have actually been started in the past 2 months.

The Bruce/ Meat Discussion ( 1 2 3)
Sarge (10 May 2012)

Europe! Are You Ready to Be Transformed?!
Julie in the rv mirror (04 May 2012)

What the heck happened to me? Feels like I've Been Hit by a Wrecking Ball!
Julie in the rv mirror (19 Apr 2012)

Wrecking Ball ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page)
A Slice Of English (02 Mar 2012)

Bruuuuuuuuuuuceeee!!!! ( 1 2)
Julie in the rv mirror (20 Nov 2011)

And we can't forget this thread: Sticky: PRODUCTION ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Metal Loaf (31 Mar 2012)
where a passing reference by Paul Crook to Bruce Springsteen developed into a full blown debate about who is the better artist, with several so called Meat fans saying that Bruce is by far the better artist.

Go start that many threads praising Meat on a Springsteen fan site and I guarantee you would be stopped from posting pretty quicky. And rightfully so.

I won't even start on the the countless other threads on this forum where the name is constantly being brought up. Just do a search on the forum for Bruce and you will see the countless threads that come up

Say something against Meat Loaf on his own fan site and that is just expressing an opinion and all opinions are supposed to be welcome, even if you are bashing the artist that the site is dedicated to. Say anything against the artist known as THE BOSS and you are being too critical. Once again, last time I checked the name of the site was the Meat Loaf Fan Club. He should be the one considered THE BOSS of this site.

All of those threads were started with the intention of discussing Springsteen away from the rest of the Meat Loaf-related board, and in the one thread that is the exception of the rule, the discussion was instigated by Paul himself in regards to a valid question. When it got out of hand, the person who kept it going redirected to a better location that was out of the way. What's wrong with talking about another rock and roll hero in an off-topic forum titled OTHER ROCK AND ROLL HEROES? If you don't like it, just ignore it. These threads don't even come up on the home page

At the bolded part...I've never seen this. Did I miss something? Bruce has done his share of not-so-great work as much as anyone else has, and I don't think I've seen anyone denying it

Sorry, I'm not trying to back-seat mod. I was enjoying the discussion before it dissolved into crap >.<

[AndyK]

OK.

A couple of points. Despite numnerous requests in numerous threads, please stop with the personal attacks and name calling. Now. Or leave the forum.

If you can't have a rationale discussion about something without it descending into the petty round and round arguments that we see here time and time again then I suggest you don't post. If you don't lilke something that has been said either discuss is personally via PM with the original poster or report the post.

Now, go away and listen to some music (Meat or Bruce or someone else I really don't care) and calm down while I clean this thread up a little bit.

[The Flying Mouse]

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Remember this?

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Welcome to Other Rock 'n' Roll Heroes, our new forum for general music chat.

Although we ask that members post their opinions in the same respectful manner as the other forums on the board, please note that the staff of this site are Meat Loaf moderators and are not defenders of your own musical preferences.

Everybody here is going to have different tastes in music, and if you wish to post about your musical passions on this forum please be advised that you do so at your own risk of public disagreement.

We are not willing to interceed due to complaints that somebody said an artist is crap, or because somebody refers to an artist with a name that that person (or band) may or may not find offensive.

Anything goes (apart from personal insults directed at other members).
If you can't handle that, we respectfully suggest that you keep your love of that artist confined to a forum dedicated to that artist.


There are three exceptions.

1. Roy Orbison.
Say one bad word about him and i'll ban your ass

2. Goombay Dance Band.
Ditto.

3. Michael Crawford is a git.
FACT!


Have fun

The rest of the staff and I had little (if any) inclination defending the non Meat musical leanings of the membership, but we still expect members to act in a respectful manner toward each other.

I am not a Bruce Springsteen fan, and have no interest in Bruce Springsteen, but I have no problem with Meat fans who are also fans of Bruce Springsteen discussing him here.

However, I can also see precious little benefit in making comparisons in this forum to Meat Loaf.
In fact, I think it would be a good idea that Meat was never mentioned in this forum.
Pointless comparisons to Meat will only lead to offense being given/taken and thyen it's back to the same old rows.

If the thread can't continue in a civilized manner, it's getting locked

[BostonAngel]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

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...However, I can also see precious little benefit in making comparisons in this forum to Meat Loaf......
Pointless comparisons to Meat will only lead to offense being given/taken and thyen it's back to the same old rows......

Very well said. I think this gets to the heart of the matter. The comparison/debate part leads people taking offense, feeling the need to defend themselves, feelings get hurt and its the same old same old....

Originally Posted by AndyK

OK.
....Now, go...and listen to some music

That is an awesome idea and very smart idea, Andy. For me, the right music can always sooth the soul and calm the mind. Time for some old fashioned classical music - it's the most calming music there is for me. Later on, it will time for some rock n roll!

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by BostonAngel

the right music can always sooth the soul and calm the mind. Time for some old fashioned classical music - it's the most calming music there is for me.

I'm the same ... re: listening to classical music to calm myself... If my shoulders are all squoonshed up to my earlobes... listening to classical music can get the old shoulders back down to where they belong ... xo

[Wario]

itd be so awesome if they ever do a song together that comparisons could cease :)

[BostonAngel]

Originally Posted by Wario

itd be so awesome if they ever do a song together that comparisons could cease :)

I think that might only make it worse; a note for note side by side comparison - LOL. The idea of a Bruce/Meat collaboration would be good though. Both artists are very passionate about music in general. Would be interesting to listen to.

[MarkS]

Originally Posted by Wario

itd be so awesome if they ever do a song together that comparisons could cease :)

Truthfully, I don't think that would work so well. You have two guys that are usually used to owning a song or a stage, and I think that Meat would overpower Bruce in a setting like that. Not trying to start anything with that comment, it is just my honest opinion.

I have seen Bruce perform with other people like Sam Moore and Billy Joel, both of which I thought worked very well, and that I enjoyed, but I don't think it would work well with Meat.

[Sue K]

Maybe it will come to be when Meat is inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame... and I have faith he will be !!! After inductions... all the inductees come out and sing together... and sometimes other muscians join in !!! ...