Vinyl question

Sarge · 18 Mar 2009, 12:43

I hope someone can answer this question. I'd like to know how many vinyl records were actually manufactured / released of these albums:

1. Bat Out Of Hell II

2. Welcome To The Neighborhood

I recently saw it being offered on eBay for € 129.

Is the price justified? I know it's pretty rare but I don't know how rare / valuable exactly.

3. Couldn't Have Said It Better

I know it exists but I've never seen one on the market.

4. Bat Out Of Hell III

I have seen the U.S. version by Virgin (red vinyl) quite often so far, while the European pressing by Mercury/Universal seems to be hardly available. Is it just a coincidence or is there a reason? Which edition is more rare? How many records were made in Europe and how many in the U.S.?

LucyK! · 18 Mar 2009, 13:18

No idea how many were actually manufactured

Bat II and Neighbourhood are more rare than the Bat, Dead Ringer etc but they are appearing on Ebay more and more often, though not sure $129 is a fair price.

Couldn't Have Said It Better is extremely rare, I have only ever seen one on the market, and it wasn't long before someone dropped everything and took it off the market as quickly as it appeared!

Bat III isn't as rare as I thought it was, again I have no idea of the numbers but they do appear on Ebay a lot. The red Bat III vinyl I think is more rare than the standard black one, all of which are well worth having!

daveake · 18 Mar 2009, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

Bat II and Neighbourhood are more rare than the Bat, Dead Ringer etc but they are appearing on Ebay more and more often, though not sure $129 is a fair price.

Can't speak for the Neighborhood one, but even the picture version of Bat II only goes for £20 or so.

Dave

*AndyK* · 18 Mar 2009, 15:24

I'd rate the albums in this order of decreasing rarity (or increasing availability)

CHSIB (As rare as rocking horse shit)
WTTN (I see about a copy a month on ebay somewhere with varying end prices)
Bat III (US Red and European issues seem to have abuot the same availability now)
Bat II (seems that the standard vinyl is more rare than the picture disc)

The remainder are equally available although obviously there's more copies of Bat, Deadringer and Midnight floating around as they were truly released before the CD age kicked off.

They're all lovely though

samurai7 · 18 Mar 2009, 19:14

the only one I don't have is the CHSIB one.

Sarge · 19 Mar 2009, 09:50

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by AndyK

They're all lovely though

Aside from the fact that I often prefer to listen to the vinyl record instead of the CD, the artwork of most of the albums just looks gorgeous in larger format (especially WTTN).

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Originally Posted by samurai7

the only one I don't have is the CHSIB one.

If it ever shows up somewhere, take care! I take no prisoners. My preciousssssssssss.

...

carole · 19 Mar 2009, 09:59

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Originally Posted by AndyK

I'd rate the albums in this order of decreasing rarity (or increasing availability)

CHSIB (As rare as rocking horse shit)
WTTN (I see about a copy a month on ebay somewhere with varying end prices)
Bat III (US Red and European issues seem to have abuot the same availability now)
Bat II (seems that the standard vinyl is more rare than the picture disc)

The remainder are equally available although obviously there's more copies of Bat, Deadringer and Midnight floating around as they were truly released before the CD age kicked off.

They're all lovely though

Ha ha, I love your descriptions. I've only seen CHSIB once of ebay, and it went for an outrageously expensive price. I hate the original vinyl and picture disc of BOOH, the plain vinyl and picture disc of Bat 2, picture disc for Dead Ringer, plain vinyl for WTTN, but I didn't pay $129 for it, don't know if there is a picture disc of it, I haven't seen it if there is and the plain vinyl and red vinyl for Bat 3.

Carole

carole · 19 Mar 2009, 10:02

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Originally Posted by daveake

Can't speak for the Neighborhood one, but even the picture version of Bat II only goes for £20 or so.

Dave

Well then, I was really ripped off, I paid $80 for it I've seen it go for varying prices.

Carole

daveake · 19 Mar 2009, 10:04

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Originally Posted by carole

Well then, I was really ripped off, I paid $80 for it I've seen it go for varying prices.

Carole

I saw several go by on ebay for more than I was willing to pay - I just set my maximum and if it went higher I just waited for the next one. I think I paid £25 which is less than $40 these days but would have been about $50 then.

Dave

Sarge · 19 Mar 2009, 10:56

I haven't paid more than € 50 for a Meat Loaf record yet; those items were either in mint condition or still sealed. I'd be willing to spend much more on CHSIB.

I was a little disappointed by the U.S. pressing of Bat III. I've seen several copies and the labels on the records just didn't look good. They all had tears around the hole in the middle. The inner sleeves are also pretty cheap. What a contrast to the beautiful red vinyl and the nice fold-out cover.

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Originally Posted by carole

picture disc for Dead Ringer

Is it the U.K. or U.S. version?
(The U.K. one has "Dead Ringer" printed on the banner while the U.S. version hasn't. The U.K. pressing also has the tracklist printed on the back; the U.S. record is pretty "naked". The same applies to the Bat Out Of Hell picture discs.)

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Originally Posted by carole

plain vinyl for WTTN, but I didn't pay $129 for it, don't know if there is a picture disc of it

There isn't but there's a nice 12" picture disc of Running For The Red Light.

*AndyK* · 19 Mar 2009, 14:19

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Thank you.

Aside from the fact that I often prefer to listen to the vinyl record instead of the CD, the artwork of most of the albums just looks gorgeous in larger format (especially WTTN).

They do indeed ... especially WTTN ... like this bargain (the picture really doesn't do it justice!)

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If it ever shows up somewhere, take care! I take no prisoners. My preciousssssssssss.

...

I dread to think of the ebay carnage that'll occur when a copy does reappear, the last one was over 18 months ago and following a mad dash home from work to get to a PC that allows ebay access ... it's now safely locked in a case, guarded by a moat, legions of blood thirsty troopers and a couple of leopards

daveake · 19 Mar 2009, 14:47

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Originally Posted by AndyK

... legions of blood thirsty troopers and a couple of leopards

Hmmm, nice neighborhood ... no wonder the girl looks sh|t scared.

Dave

*AndyK* · 19 Mar 2009, 15:01

That's the perils of being so close to Manchester ...

daveake · 19 Mar 2009, 15:39

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Originally Posted by AndyK

That's the perils of being so close to Manchester ...

And Liverpool ...

Hypnobabe · 19 Mar 2009, 15:51

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Originally Posted by AndyK

... it's now safely locked in a case, guarded by a moat, legions of blood thirsty troopers and a couple of leopards

Ahh, you've stepped down security then?

*AndyK* · 19 Mar 2009, 15:52

You think I'd reveal all of the measures in place?

mszee · 19 Mar 2009, 16:21

Don't forget the Cerberus with dirty beard...

Sarge · 19 Mar 2009, 20:06

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Originally Posted by AndyK

This is very nice, what's its size?

*AndyK* · 19 Mar 2009, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Sarge

This is very nice, what's its size?

The painting itself is 430 x 500 mm

carole · 20 Mar 2009, 04:21

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Originally Posted by daveake

I saw several go by on ebay for more than I was willing to pay - I just set my maximum and if it went higher I just waited for the next one. I think I paid £25 which is less than $40 these days but would have been about $50 then.

Dave

Yeah I had to let it go a few times as it got too expensive for me, but it just seemed to be getting more expensive every time it came up, so I grabbed it before it got too much more.

Carole

carole · 20 Mar 2009, 04:24

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Originally Posted by Sarge

I haven't paid more than € 50 for a Meat Loaf record yet; those items were either in mint condition or still sealed. I'd be willing to spend much more on CHSIB.

I was a little disappointed by the U.S. pressing of Bat III. I've seen several copies and the labels on the records just didn't look good. They all had tears around the hole in the middle. The inner sleeves are also pretty cheap. What a contrast to the beautiful red vinyl and the nice fold-out cover.

Is it the U.K. or U.S. version?
(The U.K. one has "Dead Ringer" printed on the banner while the U.S. version hasn't. The U.K. pressing also has the tracklist printed on the back; the U.S. record is pretty "naked". The same applies to the Bat Out Of Hell picture discs.)

There isn't but there's a nice 12" picture disc of Running For The Red Light.

Oh good I'm glad there isn't something else to have too look for. I have the 12" picture disc of Running For The Red Light.

Carole

For crying out loud · 20 Mar 2009, 17:07

me too, pretty isn't it. my favorite is still the picture of meat on the back of the BOH2 picture disk, mine's made in the uk. dont know wether that increases or decreases the rarety...

18 Mar 2009, 12:43	#1
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	Vinyl question I hope someone can answer this question. I'd like to know how many vinyl records were actually manufactured / released of these albums: 1. Bat Out Of Hell II 2. Welcome To The Neighborhood I recently saw it being offered on eBay for € 129. Is the price justified? I know it's pretty rare but I don't know how rare / valuable exactly. 3. Couldn't Have Said It Better I know it exists but I've never seen one on the market. 4. Bat Out Of Hell III I have seen the U.S. version by Virgin (red vinyl) quite often so far, while the European pressing by Mercury/Universal seems to be hardly available. Is it just a coincidence or is there a reason? Which edition is more rare? How many records were made in Europe and how many in the U.S.?

18 Mar 2009, 13:18	#2
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	No idea how many were actually manufactured Bat II and Neighbourhood are more rare than the Bat, Dead Ringer etc but they are appearing on Ebay more and more often, though not sure $129 is a fair price. Couldn't Have Said It Better is extremely rare, I have only ever seen one on the market, and it wasn't long before someone dropped everything and took it off the market as quickly as it appeared! Bat III isn't as rare as I thought it was, again I have no idea of the numbers but they do appear on Ebay a lot. The red Bat III vinyl I think is more rare than the standard black one, all of which are well worth having!

18 Mar 2009, 15:24	#4
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	I'd rate the albums in this order of decreasing rarity (or increasing availability) CHSIB (As rare as rocking horse shit) WTTN (I see about a copy a month on ebay somewhere with varying end prices) Bat III (US Red and European issues seem to have abuot the same availability now) Bat II (seems that the standard vinyl is more rare than the picture disc) The remainder are equally available although obviously there's more copies of Bat, Deadringer and Midnight floating around as they were truly released before the CD age kicked off. They're all lovely though

18 Mar 2009, 19:14	#5
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	the only one I don't have is the CHSIB one.

19 Mar 2009, 15:01	#13
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	That's the perils of being so close to Manchester ...

19 Mar 2009, 15:52	#16
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	You think I'd reveal all of the measures in place?

19 Mar 2009, 16:21	#17
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Don't forget the Cerberus with dirty beard...

20 Mar 2009, 17:07	#22
For crying out loud Senior Loafer Join Date: 25.08.2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 182	me too, pretty isn't it. my favorite is still the picture of meat on the back of the BOH2 picture disk, mine's made in the uk. dont know wether that increases or decreases the rarety...